I love DME...

[Indyking]

All right! This comment is on topic. Thanks.

You're welcome! It is so great that I could carry a bag on me all the time, except that would be awkward! ;-)

 

[CidahMastah]

How many posts do we need for "is my beer infected" or "how much priming sugar do I need?" or, "does this recipe checkout ok?". Why not shut the whole forum down because at this point everything's been said/asked before? The fact that you keep following this thread and responding in it seems like you're intending to create friction.

Geez you guys. If he wants to have a thread about the merits of DME let him, why the need to argue the matter?


Rev.

You should really read your posts, the only one who became aggressive is your mixedbrewer. I have done one all grain batch, and I am sure I will continue to do both. But he seems to freak out if someone says anything except that DME is the greatest revelation ever.

The only person preaching intolerance is you guys. Nobody is down on DME.

You guys keep pushing your koo-laid, but you won't learn anything....

 

[SwampassJ]

Good for you Belmontbrew. I feel like the only one here not trying to push everyone into all grain.

You spent the entire "Would you" thread complaining about all grain brewers because someone said if you're doing partial mash you might as well mash them all. I feel like the only one not bitching which is better.

 

[CidahMastah]

You spent the entire "Would you" thread complaining about all grain brewers because someone said if you're doing partial mash you might as well mash them all. I feel like the only one not bitching which is better.

Ha!

 

[SwampassJ]

In case you haven't read the posts here, some people already do all grain (like myself) and still choose DME.

O RLY?

The only one who can really answer that question is you. I have been experimenting with partial mash, and extract, for 4 years and still haven't explored everything.

 

[CidahMastah]

SwampassJ - you are killing me - not only with a funny @ss screen name and pic, but that citation is as good as... as good as... er well.. the kool-aid I am drinking - ha!

...wow, pot calling kettle black...

worse yet this guy is a LHBS manager?! Kinda explains the shoddy advice I was getting back in teh day from LHBS about cider making...

Good stuff!

 

[SwampassJ]

SwampassJ - you are killing me - not only with a funny @ss screen name and pic, but that citation is as good as... as good as... er well.. the kool-aid I am drinking - ha!

...wow, pot calling kettle black...

worse yet this guy is a LHBS manager?! Kinda explains the shoddy advice I was getting back in teh day from LHBS about cider making...

Good stuff!

Ya' RLY

This is more related to the brew forum than it is to brewing in gerenal. But I am noticing something that is making me go bananas. Lets say a certain individual is hijacking every thread he comments on and turns it into a story about him and all of his glory. Even if a comment is posted for the OP he rebutts in an insulted way as if everyone is talking to him. This character is new to brewing in general but is a "repeater", (taking someone else's words and just passing them along), so it sounds like he knows what he is talking about. I am so temped to just argue or tell this person to shut up... but I know that wont help the OP either. What is a concerned brewer to do when a loose canon, glory hog, is on the loose?

 

[Rev2010]

You should really read your posts, the only one who became aggressive is your mixedbrewer. I have done one all grain batch, and I am sure I will continue to do both. But he seems to freak out if someone says anything except that DME is the greatest revelation ever.

The only person preaching intolerance is you guys. Nobody is down on DME.

You guys keep pushing your koo-laid, but you won't learn anything....

And yet you go on and on. Check yourself buddy. Let's see if you can even control yourself enough to not respond again.

Rev.

 

[mixedbrewer]

Once again this thread is hijacked. A thread that says "Would you?" is asking what you would do. Would you go to all grain after one batch? My answer was no, I wouldn't because there are a lot of options in extract, and they are a lot more forgiving for new brewers. Swamp is seaching for contradictions that arent there and doing exactly what I asked about in my hijacking thread. Yes I have done some mini all grain batches, yep still all grain. Yep did some extract too... yep I have even mixed them together. And as far as being aggrassive... I didnt call anyone a monkey, or insecure, or uncapable of handling anything. All I did was ask that you talk about all-grain in an all-grain thread. (Or one where someone is asking for the advice like the "Would you?" thread. )

 

[Rev2010]

Yeah this thread has been uber trolled. I got lumped in as "You guys keep pushing your koo-laid, but you won't learn anything" when there's not one place in this thread that I said I only like extract or anything even close to that nature. But accordingly I "won't learn anything" simply because I said they should let you have your DME thread.

Personally, I took this thread about "DME"! Meaning you prefer DME over LME. Not sure why it became an all grain argument and it is in the extract section. I'm not selling any "kool-aid" and to be honest, the recent responses by Cidah have been personal attacks on you with name calling and "worse yet this guy is a LHBS manager?! Kinda explains the shoddy advice I was getting back in teh day from LHBS about cider making".

I'm done in this thread. It will likely get locked eventually anyway.


Rev.

 

[SwampassJ]

I love DME for starters. Happy hijacks and whines Mixed.

 

[mixedbrewer]

Me too. Sorry you got dragged into a mess. I appreciate your input about DME and your success with it.

 

[mixedbrewer]

Happy hijacks and whines Mixed.

You too. You are a pro.

 

[weirdboy]

I use DME in my bagels recipe.

 

[mixedbrewer]

Awesome! on topic and a wonderful use for DME.

 

[heeler]

Ok guys, I'm not gettin into any arguments........just advice from the DME guys. Whooo.....when you add DME to your recipe do you HAVE to add the DME to boiling wort or can I mix in a side pot (cool water)-- disolve and then add to my boil??? Will that change anything like flavor or whatever??

 

[unionrdr]

Sheez. This is an eternal & pointless argument. There are merits to both. So whatever way you choose to brew,have fun with it. That said,I boiled my Kent Golding hops (well,heavy simmer on electric stove & no lid) for 15 mins. Then took it off the heat,removed hop bag,& mixed my LME can & SDME. I got an OG of 1.044,good there. So far,it looks like the paulaner salvator doppl bock,but has a toasty/buiscuty smell with the smell of the KG under that. The LME was Cooper's lager,& the SDME was plain extra light from Munton's. This is gunna be an interesting combo for "kool aid". We're still using the same things basically,just not made fresh like AG. Which,I understand,some swear you can taste. But,live & let live,I say. It's all good...

 

[CidahMastah]

Hey Union - I agree with you - to each his own. I am not pushing any agenda, was only trying to let DME lovers (which I am) of something I tried (look at my profile, it 99% of my brews are DME!) - though that will change due to a bulk grain buy.

I am a DME guy who did one all grain BIAB batch and was amazed how easy it was.


on topic:

I put DME on my powdered toast.

 

[unionrdr]

Hey Union - I agree with you - to each his own. I am not pushing any agenda, was only trying to let DME lovers (which I am) of something I tried (look at my profile, it 99% of my brews are DME!) - though that will change due to a bulk grain buy.

I am a DME guy who did one all grain BIAB batch and was amazed how easy it was.


on topic:

I put DME on my powdered toast.

Thanx man. I was just trying to put things in their proper perspective. I may try AG eventually,but I'm gunna learn more by exploring different extract combos 1st. Not to mention,equipment costs. But that's another subject entirely. And cooking with DME,or even spent grains is interesting. I saw a guy on another forum make bread out of spent grains.

 

[Rev2010]

when you add DME to your recipe do you HAVE to add the DME to boiling wort or can I mix in a side pot (cool water)

No, it doesn't have to be boiling. As a matter of fact, I've learned just this weekend that adding DME to the boil can cause a boilover - which I had. From now on I'm adding my DME before the boil starts or at the very least I will remove the pot from the burner and add when it's no longer a boil then return to boil.

LME on the other hand I've never had an issue with, but I also take the pot off the burner when adding LME.


Rev.

 

[unionrdr]

Yeah,I've read on various forums that some add DME to the boiling water to do hop additions,& others. I was a lil leary of that,so I got a heavy simmer going (darn electric stove) to boil my Kent Golding hops for 15mins. Then took it off the heat to mix in the LME & SDME's. Working just fine so far...

 

[BlackJackBrews]

I got into brewing because of some really good AG brewers showing me the process. I really respect the AG guys, but personally don't aspire to do anything more than extract brewing.

It's just look cooking to me. I can spend hours in the kitchen and cook up an awesome dish and still use store bought stocks, seasonings, dry pasta, etc. True chefs would want to create those things from scratch. That's awesome, and a whole different level of artistry. But we are both actively involved in the cooking process, and both can create an incredible dish.

 

[mixedbrewer]

I actually add my DME at the very end of the boil. DME has already been cooked once when it was made, so boiling it again for another 60 minutes will might start to destroy what proteins are left.

 

[Rev2010]

DME has already been cooked once when it was made, so boiling it again for another 60 minutes will might start to destroy what proteins are left.

I doubt it has any negative effect. I've boiled my DME and LME for the full 60 minutes (bittering hop time) and everything's always come out wonderful. Most kit recipes also just have you boil all (or half sometimes for LME) for the main boil length. Main issue though for me is to avoid a boil over. So I won't be adding directly to a rolling boil any more.


Rev.

 

[mixedbrewer]

It will only be a cosmetic difference. Lighter color, better head retention.

 

[Rev2010]

It will only be a cosmetic difference. Lighter color, better head retention.

Right, but everything I've read says that only LME is affected, hence the late addition. I've read full length boils have no color affect on DME.


Rev.

 

[Indyking]

The boiling time of DME is one of the few things you can control during extract brewing. In theory, there is no need to boil it for the entire length, but doing so, you increase caramelization and complexity of flavors if it's a complex brew. You also contribute to a more intense color. On the flip side, adding it later allow you to get more bitterness out of the hops. So, it really depends in what you want. JP recommends boiling DME for at least 45 minutes. As for LME all you need is 10 minutes or so of boiling, it does not make any difference.

I was just reading that 3-4 years ago, any judge could set an extract brew apart from AG based on how it tasted. Nowadays, extracts are getting better and it's becoming difficult to distinguish, although the ones with the sharpest palates still can pick them.

 

[CidahMastah]

It's just look cooking to me. I can spend hours in the kitchen and cook up an awesome dish and still use store bought stocks, seasonings, dry pasta, etc. True chefs would want to create those things from scratch. That's awesome, and a whole different level of artistry. But we are both actively involved in the cooking process, and both can create an incredible dish.

really good analogy. I think that is why I want to deconstruct the brew process now that i have some extract batches under my belt (cooked professionally through college and after for a few years). Plus I am cheap! ha

 

[CidahMastah]

I actually add my DME at the very end of the boil. DME has already been cooked once when it was made, so boiling it again for another 60 minutes will might start to destroy what proteins are left.

Any proof of this?

I have never heard anything like this before, even from people who were doing 90 minute boils. From my anecdotal experience I wouldn't support this claim - I am with Rev on this one.

 

[mixedbrewer]

No proof, only what I heard from John Palmer and Jamil Zainasheff on the Brew Strong Talk show. I will find the link when I have time to find which episode it was.