I like Natural Light.

[GT_Jon]

Just because you've worked years and years for the perfect woman doesn't mean you don't enjoy a little **** content occasionally. Same goes with beer. Cheap, easy, refreshing.

But at the end of the day you're still mowing the lawn...

 

[two_hearted]

I'd be crazy to support any brewery that makes it harder for smaller craft breweries to get there beer to me. If I want refreshing I'll have some lemonade, or better yet some skeeter pee.

If you enjoy BMCs that's fine, but I won't support them.

 

[winstonofbeer]

Anyone have a clone recipe for natty light?

 

[rayg]

I've run into plenty of beer snobs, but this is the first time I've run into a homebrew snob!

Perhaps as you come along and refine your palate a bit, you can appreciate the subtleties in flavor that come with the lighter styles of beer.

Ever had a helles beer on draft *in* Germany?
In fact, most American drinkers have no idea
what real lager is, they only know the overcarbonated
stuff they get here. And that American
over carbonated, tart, thin bodied character
has been transplanted into some microbrews,
and many homebrewers try to duplicate it
using American ale yeast, although I doubt
most of them are conscious of what they
are doing, they are just shooting for a type
of flavor profile they are used to.

If you think you can't make a good flavored beer with American Ale Yeast....well, um, wow. Go check BeerAdvocate's top 25 beers, compare the styles listed to a book of styles and see how many of them American Ale Yeast is appropriate for. :

It doesn't matter. I don't like that style.
My point is many American drinkers have
been conditioned to like that style.

The rayg school of wisdom:
Nobody can possibly like light lagers

Wrong. American drinkers have been conditioned
to like it, just like they've been conditioned to
like fake burgers from McDonald's and fake
Mexican food from Taco Bell.

American Ale Yeast drains your beer of flavor

Wrong. American ale yeast is designed to create a
thin-bodied, tart ale that some people who are
conditioned to like bmc will like, but which I don't.

Aging beer is for idiots

Wrong, aging beers is for lagers, especially those
made with relatively continental hops, and malts,
because those beers aren't supposed to have
a complex flavor profile, and the sulfurous aromas
from the malts used and the farnesene (green
apple aroma) from those hops has to be reduced
by aging because you don't have a lot of other
strong flavors to cover them up as you do in
ales.

Ray

 

[modernlifeisANDY]

Wrong. American drinkers have been conditioned
to like it, just like they've been conditioned to
like fake burgers from McDonald's and fake
Mexican food from Taco Bell.

Wrong, aging beers is for lagers, especially those
made with relatively continental hops, and malts,
because those beers aren't supposed to have
a complex flavor profile, and the sulfurous aromas
from the malts used and the farnesene (green
apple aroma) from those hops has to be reduced
by aging because you don't have a lot of other
strong flavors to cover them up as you do in
ales.

Really? REALLY? I'm not "conditioned" to like BMC. At all. I'm not enjoying one when I do because I've been "conditioned" that way, or brainwashed into thinking I'm enjoying it when I'm not.

Aging beers is not only for lagers, and for someone that claims to know their stuff about beer, your reasoning is laughably naive.

 

[dvdanny]

Wrong. American drinkers have been conditioned
to like it, just like they've been conditioned to
like fake burgers from McDonald's and fake
Mexican food from Taco Bell.

A huge majority of american do not drink nor would they like an American IPA. An IPA is a beer that shows off it's blend (sometimes very complex blend) of hops (I am only stating this because it seems you have never tried an IPA), I am failing grasp (although more then likely you are failing to convey) how a beer that showcases hops deserves any less respect then a beer that showcases it's yeasty or malt flavors.

Wrong, aging beers is for lagers, especially those
made with relatively continental hops, and malts,
because those beers aren't supposed to have
a complex flavor profile, and the sulfurous aromas
from the malts used and the farnesene (green
apple aroma) from those hops has to be reduced
by aging because you don't have a lot of other
strong flavors to cover them up as you do in
ales.

Ray

Wow, and here I was aging my Barleywine on oak chips and my Dunkelweizen on Maple thinking it would add complex flavors, thanks for showing me the light and letting everyone know aging is only for lagers and has zero benefit for ales, and aging is only for beers without complex flavors... those crazy Belgians and their Bocks and Lambic, when will they learn what you have... what a effing tool.

Your knowledge on this subject is very limited, and it is even further clouded by your personal opinions.

 

[rayg]

A huge majority of american do not drink nor would they like an American IPA. An IPA is a beer that shows off it's blend (sometimes very complex blend) of hops (I am only stating this because it seems you have never tried an IPA), I am failing grasp (although more then likely you are failing to convey) how a beer that showcases hops deserves any less respect then a beer that showcases it's yeasty or malt flavors..

Right, they don't like strongly flavored beers because they
have been conditioned to like relatively flavorless, bodiless,
over-carbonated adjunct lagers. I have tried many IPA's, but
I don't like the ones made with American ale yeasts. They
are certainly more interesting than Bud lite, but not my ideal.

Wow, and here I was aging my Barleywine on oak chips and my Dunkelweizen on Maple thinking it would add complex flavors, thanks for showing me the light and letting everyone know aging is only for lagers and has zero benefit for ales, and aging is only for beers without complex flavors... those crazy Belgians and their Bocks and Lambic, when will they learn what you have... what a effing tool.

Your knowledge on this subject is very limited, and it is even further clouded by your personal opinions.

Your aging on oak chips may add some subtle flavors over
a long period of time but at the same time most of the
hop flavor and other flavors are disappearing. Ever try
those bocks and lambics a week after they were brewed?
Probably undrinkable because of the intense flavors.
The whole point of aging is to make strong flavors go
away or change to something else less intense.

Ray

 

[dvdanny]

Right, they don't like strongly flavored beers because they
have been conditioned to like relatively flavorless, bodiless,
over-carbonated adjunct lagers. I have tried many IPA's, but
I don't like the ones made with American ale yeasts. They
are certainly more interesting than Bud lite, but not my ideal.




Your aging on oak chips may add some subtle flavors over
a long period of time but at the same time most of the
hop flavor and other flavors are disappearing. Ever try
those bocks and lambics a week after they were brewed?
Probably undrinkable because of the intense flavors.
The whole point of aging is to make strong flavors go
away or change to something else less intense.

Ray

Thats interesting because that is not what you said at all before. I mean I can quote you on exactly what you said but I already did. And your post is still there and open for all to see. I'll let you take it back if you want, this is the internet after all, you can pretend to be as knowledgeable as you want.

 

[modernlifeisANDY]

Right, they don't like strongly flavored beers because they have been conditioned to like relatively flavorless, bodiless,
over-carbonated adjunct lagers. I have tried many IPA's, but
I don't like the ones made with American ale yeasts. They
are certainly more interesting than Bud lite, but not my ideal.

Next you're going to tell me that people that take cream and sugar in their coffee do so because they have been "conditioned" to like only breakfast beverages that contain sugar and dairy products, instead of strongly flavored breakfast beverages. Get real.

I can virtually guarantee that if you did a blind taste test with several IPAs brewed with American Ale yeast and several with English Ale yeast you would NOT know the difference. I can absolutely guarantee it.

 

[dvdanny]

Next you're going to tell me that people that take cream and sugar in their coffee do so because they have been "conditioned" to like only breakfast beverages that contain sugar and dairy products, instead of strongly flavored breakfast beverages. Get real.

I can virtually guarantee that if you did a blind taste test with several IPAs brewed with American Ale yeast and several with English Ale yeast you would NOT know the difference. I can absolutely guarantee it.

Actually I can vouch for this, I used to use english yeast for my IPA's but any of the fruity flavors english yeast are known for are totally covered up by the hop additions (When I do IPA's I like hops out the a**). American Ale yeast consistently get my high gravity IPA's to their desired FG and bottle condition faster then their english brethrens.

I tried a Belgian yeast once with my IWA (wheat IPA)... bitter and banana... never again. I mean I love banana phenol flavors, I intentionally underpitch Trappist yeast for my Dunkelweizen (at an OG of 1.089 regular hefe yeast shrivels up and dies) just so it can have a ton of it, but I'll stick with American Hefe yeast for my IWA's.

 

[JoeBronco]

 

[JoeBronco]

Anyone have a clone recipe for natty light?

but I have one, not sure how exact it is since im going by taste.

Extract
8lbs horse piss Liquid extract
3lbs pale liquid extract

Seeping Grains
1lbs dog ****
3lbs horse ****
1lbs aged dingleberrys

Hops
.000001 oz citra hops @ flame off


Sounds yummy!

 

[two_hearted]

Anyone have a clone recipe for natty light?

Sprite + a little corn liquor + pee

 

[celbii]

My "goto" beer is Sapporo. I usually grab cans these days since it stores easier and I can get a 12 pack for $12.

 

[rayg]

Sprite + a little corn liquor + pee

That would be way too much flavor. What you
need to do is use about 60:40 malt/corn or
malt/rice but a bit less than what you would use
normally for 5% alcohol, but add an enzyme so
that all the normally unfermentable sugars get
broken down, so that will bring the alcohol
level up and minimize body. Then carbonate
the heck out of it.

Ray

 

[rayg]

I can virtually guarantee that if you did a blind taste test with several IPAs brewed with American Ale yeast and several with English Ale yeast you would NOT know the difference. I can absolutely guarantee it.

And I can virtually guarantee that you have no idea what you
are talking about. Case in point is comparing Saranac pale ale,
which they claim is a "British style" ale, but which is made using
an american ale yeast, with Magic Hat Lucky Kat. The first time
I tried Lucky Kat I thought "Ah, what a change, a commercial
US ale made with a British ale yeast." I then went to their web
page and sure enough, they say they use a British ale yeast.
I'm sure you can find a British ale yeast somewhere that is
close to the typical American ale yeast, but by and large they
are very different, not just in body but in flavor, and different
from each other. Wyeast London Ale III is a totally different
flavor from the Wyeast Fuller's strain.
I brewed many beers using American ale yeast and couldn't
get the style I was looking for. It wasn't a question of quality,
it was just not the flavor, not to mention it takes forever
to flocculate and thus by the time it's ready to drink the
body has decreased even more. I got what I was looking
for when I switched to London Ale III.

Ray

 

[Nova5]

The cheapest mass produced beer I go for is Yuengling Lager.

 

[undrtker66]

i live on the Eastern Shore of Va. and the water that comes out of my well has more taste and alcohol content than Natty Lite.......

 

[modernlifeisANDY]

And I can virtually guarantee that you have no idea what you
are talking about. Case in point is comparing Saranac pale ale,
which they claim is a "British style" ale, but which is made using
an american ale yeast, with Magic Hat Lucky Kat. The first time
I tried Lucky Kat I thought "Ah, what a change, a commercial
US ale made with a British ale yeast." I then went to their web
page and sure enough, they say they use a British ale yeast.
I'm sure you can find a British ale yeast somewhere that is
close to the typical American ale yeast, but by and large they
are very different, not just in body but in flavor, and different
from each other. Wyeast London Ale III is a totally different
flavor from the Wyeast Fuller's strain.
I brewed many beers using American ale yeast and couldn't
get the style I was looking for. It wasn't a question of quality,
it was just not the flavor, not to mention it takes forever
to flocculate and thus by the time it's ready to drink the
body has decreased even more. I got what I was looking
for when I switched to London Ale III.

Ray

I'm sorry, but you can't compare two beers from separate breweries with different recipes and use that as a basis for yeast comparison. Likewise, you can't blame the yeast completely for your own recipes. There are plenty of ways to pull off a beer with plenty of body using an American yeast strain without sacrificing intended flavor, and if you think there aren't then you're just plain wrong.

 

[Pick]

I love natural light. That's why I spend as much time as I can outdoor's!!

 

[winstonofbeer]

but I have one, not sure how exact it is since im going by taste.

Extract
8lbs horse piss Liquid extract
3lbs pale liquid extract

Seeping Grains
1lbs dog ****
3lbs horse ****
1lbs aged dingleberrys

Hops
.000001 oz citra hops @ flame off




Sounds yummy!

Ya very helpful....Thanks

 

[two_hearted]

The cheapest mass produced beer I go for is Yuengling Lager.

ditto

 

[dvdanny]

Sprite + a little corn liquor + pee

Seems more like the recipe for MGD then natty light. I swear I could give people 50/50 Budweizer and Club Soda and tell them it was *insert generic light beer* and they would believe it. That said, I never let a BMC logo get in the way of a good time while camping/fishing (I do prefer scotch or bourbon when I go fishing though), that just makes you a dick. Cold water is refreshing, as is cold beer, it stands to reason a mix of the two is equally refreshing if the situation limits you to only BMC.

 

[logan3825]

If you really wanted to make a BMC light product you would need a lot of specialized equipment. You need to make a 9% ABV beer with hop extracts, filter it through diatomaceous earth to get out practically every solid, then cut it 50/50 with carbonated water.

 

[Indyking]

Do I hate Natural light, Miller High Life, etc nowadays? Sure.

Have I had them before? Lots and lots and it was fun!

But life changes, doesn’t it? There was a time when one either didn't have time, or didn't have money, or simply didn’t have the knowledge (or altogether) to drink a good beer, or better yet, to actually craft their own good beer.

When one drinks a cheap commercial lager, one is fooling himself and wasting money, for beer is an art that requires carefully selected ingredients and process.

But a few days ago I thought, well they cannot be that bad, and had on purpose a Bud select. I found myself struggling to finish it.

 

[JoeBronco]

Do I hate Natural light, Miller High Life, etc nowadays? Sure.

Have I had them before? Lots and lots and it was fun!

But life changes, doesn’t it? There was a time when one either didn't have time, or didn't have money, or simply didn’t have the knowledge (or altogether) to drink a good beer, or better yet, to actually craft their own good beer.

When one drinks a cheap commercial lager, one is fooling himself and wasting money, for beer is an art that requires carefully selected ingredients and process.

But a few days ago I thought, well they cannot be that bad, and had on purpose a Bud select. I found myself struggling to finish it.

Best response yet...

 

[Flomaster]

I've been buying the WalGreens special beer until my first beer is ready to drink. I am cheap bastard and money is tight. if I can score a six pack for $2.99 I'll drink that until my Hef is done.

2.99 vs 6.99 for BMC vs 8-9 for craft....

-=Jason=-

 

[dvdanny]

I've been buying the WalGreens special beer until my first beer is ready to drink. I am cheap bastard and money is tight. if I can score a six pack for $2.99 I'll drink that until my Hef is done.

2.99 vs 6.99 for BMC vs 8-9 for craft....

-=Jason=-

I don't even think it's about cheap, if I can enjoy cold water on a hot day then anyone sure as hell can enjoy cold watery beer. I don't think it's that outrageous an idea, besides there are those sick people who like shaking the sh*t outta their sodas and making them flat before they drink it... so liking both BMC and craft is not that far out IMO.

 

[Flomaster]

they each have their place.

for me its about cheap at the moment until tax return comes and I can pay down some debt.


-=Jason=-

 

[Ernst-Haeckel]

Do I hate Natural light, Miller High Life, etc nowadays? Sure.

Have I had them before? Lots and lots and it was fun!

But life changes, doesn’t it? There was a time when one either didn't have time, or didn't have money, or simply didn’t have the knowledge (or altogether) to drink a good beer, or better yet, to actually craft their own good beer.

When one drinks a cheap commercial lager, one is fooling himself and wasting money, for beer is an art that requires carefully selected ingredients and process.

But a few days ago I thought, well they cannot be that bad, and had on purpose a Bud select. I found myself struggling to finish it.

Just drink the d*** thing!