how pissed does it make you...

[david_42]

What is this TV you speak of and why do you watch it if it angers you so?

 

[Revvy]

At least no one in this thread has trotted out that old ""the evil BMCpire use a ton of adjuncts to replace malt, cut costs and to put out an "inferior product," historically inaccurate nonsense. Maybe folks have come a little further in their bmc hate.

Hey anyone notice the OP just "hit an git" and hasn't been back since his rant? I think it's funny how sometimes folks end up being surprised that not every homebrewer/beer geek has a hate on for BMC.

Or that maybe *gasp* some homebrewers on here actualy *oh my god* came here because they like bud, and wanted to brew beer. And maybe some of those "help me brew bud" threads aren't trolls, and may actually WANT to brew and drink a beer similar.

 

[TheBreweryUnderground]

I get pissed about all ads, so I don watch TV. I don't like corporations so I boycott the. All and talk **** about them all. I have a problem with globalization so I buy locally whenever possible. I don't like when crafts are specialized so I do things myself, grow food, build buildings, brew beer, etc. I like to think I'm at least consistent in my hatred towards all corporations including BMC (including Goose Island). BMC is a business driven by profits and propaganda and uses their oligopoly to control the markets and popular opinion, to me this is completely unethical and I can't support it. Despite the growing number of craft breweries lobbyists are still working against small brewers, especially the distributors. I think it's fair to call the BMC **** what it is, I don't get snobby about it when I'm with people drinking it, but if it comes up in conversation or I know the person I'll share my opinion. My main problem isn't just BMC, it's all corporations exploiting people.

 

[bob1852]

Hey anyone notice the OP just "hit an git" and hasn't been back since his rant?

Actually...

OP's 1st post in this thread...

when you see these big beer company ads on TV talking about "triple hops brewed, vortex bottle, never watered down...bull**** bull**** bull****" ughh every time I see one now days it just makes me angry!

OP's 2nd post in this thread...

I was drunk and watching ultimate fighter last night and kept seeing all the beer comercials so i threw up a quick rant, so its best not to take me too seriously. but let me be more specific, it's the fact that america has been TRICKED into thinking that this is what beer should be. TRICKED by ad men into thinking that these three companies are the best of the best, and this is the gold standard. If prohibition hadn't happened and given AB the chance to get a tremendous leg up in the industry, imagine what the beer scene would look likwe today. Imagine the amount of breweries we would have locally and not paying to drink absolute ****, that no one claims tastes good (except the ads), its just "not bad", "easy to drink", "better than the other nasty yellow stuff". I'm sorry but I don't think it's ok for a company to come in and rape an industry the way that these big three have. But thats just my opinion.

OP's 3rd post in this thread...

Or this lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZcTdzARASI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Just to keep the record straight.

 

[amberbrooks]

It seems to me like everyone is taking the OP's post more personal than he actually took the commercial...
I'm just sayin....

 

[JoeyChopps]

I think some are like me ( and even beyond me like Revvy) that are just so fed up with the bs bmc crap and this is just an outlet

 

[CreamyGoodness]

The recipe on this forum that excited SWMBO the most was Yooper's "Fizzy yellow beer" if that says anything about the average person's take on BMC. Not that my lady is "average" but she is the average beer drinker.

With that said, we have a store that has a back wall that is one giant case of craft beers, so if it wasnt for this thread I wouldnt have even known that BMC makes it more difficult to put out craft brews...

 

[cheezydemon3]

disclaimer *gettin my TROLL on*
Remember the "bitter beer face" ads?


Those evil racists were hating on HOPS DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Some of my best friends are hops!!!!


For me it is Lager envy and my small penis.

I hate BMC because they brew flavorless lagers better than I can, since I don't brew lagers, and I lose my nerve at the last moment and add flavor to my beer. I hate them even more because they save so much money on hops.

I saw the Coors Brewmaster go into my local LHBS and buy 14 oz of Hallertaur to cover all of the Coors brewed for the next 14 years. DAMMIT!!! so cheap.

Also, they just feed the elephants barley stalks and let them drink Coors, so feeding the elephants costs almost nothing, and they harvest all of the elephant urine they could ever need for their brewing.

Kinda gross, it is like the elephants are drinking their own urine, but what can you do? I mean, it is cold filtered.

 

[the_bird]

Marketing has made many people want to smoke (remember the Malboro Man, who died of lung cancer?), drink, eat junk food, and buy cell phones. But we are all born with brains and should be able to figure that out.

Beer ads are a great excuse to see some scantily-clad ladies on TV, which I'm all in favor of.

 

[blawjr]

And just think of what the beer scene would be like if AB hadn't survived prohibition. I doubt there would be much of one, if any at all.

You think AB had to survive in order for beer to survive? Really?

 

[phenry]

You think AB had to survive in order for beer to survive? Really?

To a point. Would you rather find out what would have happened if they had gone under? I wouldn't. And don't try to say that we would have had the same kind of craft beer Renaissance that we do now, but earlier if AB had closed its doors. Breweries that opened after prohibition was repealed just about all put out "yellow piss swill" or whatever the super-refined crowd on here likes to call it. It's what Americans wanted then, it's what they want now, and it's what they'll want in the future.

Whatever, I'm done with this thread. It seems for every person out there that will never turn their face away from say, Coors Light, and thinks everything else is inferior, we have one on here that thinks they're far superior to anyone who drinks an American light lager. Which one's worse? Couldn't tell you.

 

[cheezydemon3]

To a point. Would you rather find out what would have happened if they had gone under? I wouldn't. And don't try to say that we would have had the same kind of craft beer Renaissance that we do now, but earlier if AB had closed its doors. Breweries that opened after prohibition was repealed just about all put out "yellow piss swill" or whatever the super-refined crowd on here likes to call it. It's what Americans wanted then, it's what they want now, and it's what they'll want in the future.

Whatever, I'm done with this thread. It seems for every person out there that will never turn their face away from say, Coors Light, and thinks everything else is inferior, we have one on here that thinks they're far superior to anyone who drinks an American light lager. Which one's worse? Couldn't tell you.

AB selling DME during the dark years does not make them saints.

I say we kill anyone that drinks miller, budweiser, or Coors.....and Phenry.

 

[Brulosopher]

AB selling DME during the dark years does not make them saints.

I say we kill anyone that drinks miller, budweiser, or Coors.....and Phenry.

Retarded.

 

[phenry]

AB selling DME during the dark years does not make them saints.

I say we kill anyone that drinks miller, budweiser, or Coors.....and Phenry.

 

[cheezydemon3]

See what I mean?

He is a spammer!!!

(OK don't kill anyone, I am only trolling here remember, it is my job)

 

[blawjr]

Agree with me or not, let me ask you this:

What would the beer scene look like if everyone just accepted what was given to them and never questioned if there could be something better? I think having conversations like this is important, wether we agree or not. So although sometimes the discussion can get a little heated, i'm not sorry for asking the question. cheers

 

[kevokie]

Agree with me or not, let me ask you this:

What would the beer scene look like if everyone just accepted what was given to them and never questioned if there could be something better? I think having conversations like this is important, wether we agree or not. So although sometimes the discussion can get a little heated, i'm not sorry for asking the question. cheers

Meh, I'd just drink a helluva lot more whiskey.

 

[cheezydemon3]

OK. Sorry, but I went to this great bar with 3 actual cask ales on tap as well as a LOT of good beer!!!

Had some Schlafly, dogfishhead, founder's, etc.

So I Killed only those people holding a miller ultra.

It worked out well.

 

[TarVolon]

But realistically it's not a bad idea, it's really no difference than the Sam Adam's glass with the rough bottom to provide nucleation sites to help kick up the co2 which in turn lifts the flavors and aroma to our nose and certain taste buds. No different that using the "proper" glasswear for the style of beer.

People get pissed off because BMC did it, but in reality it's a principle that few true beer/wine enthusiast would argue that it doesn't had merit.

The other point about the bottle is that it ALSO promotes what we beer geeks know is the proper way to drink a beer....from a glass.

If we paid 700+ dollars and pulled a vortex bottle out of a stuffed squirrel from Brew Dog first, we'd be raving about the vortex bottle as a revolution in beer appreciation, or if it came from Dogfish Head, we'd want to suck Sam Caligione's weenus for his brilliance, but because it came from a macro brewery beer snobs look at it with disdain.....Instead of the fact that it does have some merit.

Same with Triple hopped...You know most other light american lagers, and many low IBU German style beers have only ONE hop addition? My Vienna Lager only has one, for bittering. So, Miller decided to do 3 additions like many ales, and it actually does have a bit more hop aroma/flavor. So they decided to promote the fact that it's different from BUD...What's the big deal?

And how different really is it with us creaming our jeans over 30, 60 and 120 minute IPA? It's ok because it's a Micro brewery?

At least in their own way they are teaching the american populace a tiny bit more about hops then they would have known. It might even encourage some folks to try hoppier styles of craft beer.

Pretty much this. I'm cool with both these ad schemes. The one that gets me is "frost-brewed" Coors Light. I'm still trying to discern whether that commercial has any actual meaning or whether they just stuck some words together in a sentence that ended up testing well in the 18-25 demo.

BMC doesn't necessarily make the best beer out there. That is all a matter of personal opinion. What they do is make the most difficult style out there. So many homebrewers make a batch or two of brown ale and suddenly BMC is swill and only the most uninformed rednecks would like it. It is not swill. It is a style that you suddenly don't care for and most of the reason you don't care for it is that they are huge, and for some reason homebrewers like to think that the bigger a corporation, the worse their product is and everyone that likes it is an idiot. Fact is, they make the most difficult style out there and do it on a massive scale and reach a consistency in their product that homebrewers can only dream of. Get off of your high-horses, people. Let BMC be BMC and enjoy your hobby.

I've thought BMC was swill since long before I could actually make anything myself. I understand that it's hard to make, and I understand why someone would want to drink it if they wanted alcohol and didn't actually like beer (the applies mostly to Bud Lite and Coors Light. I don't know anyone who actually drinks regular Bud or regular Coors). But that doesn't mean it's good.

Very true. And if you use Axe products, you will have scores of gorgeous women having orgasms at the very sight of you. How come no one gets upset about that? It is just advertising.

Trust me, I know folks who are upset by Axe ads. I think they even had to pull one of them in Italy or something.

 

[cheezydemon3]

Don't forget cold filtered Tarvolon. Without cold filtering you lose all of the benefits of frost brewing..........:cross:

 

[mountainman619]

I didn't read every page, so pardon me if this has been said. But the only thing that bothers me about ads from the big guys is undoing the damage that is colder is better when drinking beer. Yes it is better for their crappy brews, not mine though. Trying to convince someone that not every beer is best at 33 degrees F has proven to be aggravating. Cold is not a flavor, it MASKS flavors!

There. I've said my peace. Cheers!

 

[Bernie Brewer]

Agree with me or not, let me ask you this:

What would the beer scene look like if everyone just accepted what was given to them and never questioned if there could be something better? I think having conversations like this is important, wether we agree or not. So although sometimes the discussion can get a little heated, i'm not sorry for asking the question. cheers

No one is saying you have to "accept what is given you. By all means, go for what you want. that is why we all brew our own, after all. Just don't deride others for their preferences, or deride the products themselves.

I've thought BMC was swill since long before I could actually make anything myself. I understand that it's hard to make, and I understand why someone would want to drink it if they wanted alcohol and didn't actually like beer (the applies mostly to Bud Lite and Coors Light. I don't know anyone who actually drinks regular Bud or regular Coors). But that doesn't mean it's good.

It doesn't mean it is NOT good, either. It just means you don't care for it. That's ok. No one says you have to drink it. Just don't be rude or condescending about it. Gawd, I hate snobbery of any kind.

 

[TarVolon]

It doesn't mean it is NOT good, either. It just means you don't care for it. That's ok. No one says you have to drink it. Just don't be rude or condescending about it. Gawd, I hate snobbery of any kind.

No, what makes it not good is that it just isn't good.

/objectiveaestheticfacts'd

 

[Revvy]

It doesn't mean it is NOT good, either. It just means you don't care for it. That's ok. No one says you have to drink it. Just don't be rude or condescending about it. Gawd, I hate snobbery of any kind.

+1 million.... Why can't folks just say, "hey it's not my cup of tea" and leave it at that. What does it have to go to the level of bashing it and the drinkers of it, for choosing it?

I don't like rice adjuncted light lagers, or rice adjuncted lagers in general, not because they're BMC, or made by the "evil empire" and I'm "better" than those folks that drink it, but because they contain rice. So I don't like bud, bud light or sapporo for instance. But if other folks do, it's their choice. If that's all that's available, I'll drink wine or mixed drinks.

But I know why I don't like them, not 'cause it's the beersnob/homebrewer thing to do....And I don't look down on the folks who choose to drink them.

BUT, if they have Sam Adam's or Guinness, or an "MC" beer that is corn adjuncted, such as Miller, or Michelob, or more than likely here in Michigan Labatt's (like when I'm at a hockey game,) and if I'm in the mood for a beer, then I'll have that.

So trying various "Lagers" including those from microbreweries, I made a list of the ones I hated and the ones that were ok; trying to figure out why I liked some and not the others. Finding out that I like corn adjuncted lagers and not rice ones like sapporo and bud.

Millers, Michelob, Labatts, PBR, Strohs, Schlitz, I will drink, and many like Strohs and pabsts (the original 70's recipes I will actually buy and enjoy...to me te two main bud products just taste horrible to me.

I really like Labatt's blue.

One of our members just brought me a mixed case of Yuengling's, both the "traditional lager" and the Lord Chesterfield's ale. And the Lager is actually darker than the ale. And it is full of flavor.

A snob looks down on or judges what other folks drink. Or avoid certain beers, not because simply they don't like the taste, but for other reasons.

Even after all the years brewing and especially drinking craft and imported beers since 1986, the best beer I ever had was ice cold Negra Modelo Especial bought for probably a dime a bottle in 2001, in Ensenada Mexico, and drank on a Sandbar in mexico with fish tacos where the fish was caught and fried within a half hour after is was pulled out of the bay. With a simple wedge of lime for both.

I also can't stand wheat beers, microbrewed or otherwise. They're just not my cup of tea....But I don't bash folks who like THOSE beers either....

 

[TarVolon]

There's a difference between saying something is good and saying it's okay to drink or that you shouldn't look down on someone who drinks it.

There are objective aesthetic values. But just because it's objectively aesthetically valuable doesn't mean you have to like it. For instance, I don't much care for Mozart. I can listen to Mozart and understand what's good about his music, but I just don't like it that much. I prefer Beethoven or Chopin. Hell, I often prefer Me First and the Gimme Gimmes, and I know that they're objectively not good. But they're still fun, so I listen.

One can say BMC isn't good without looking down on people who drink it.

 

[castlefreak]

It IS an evil empire that stopped caring about the consumer a long time ago and now only cares for shareholders and profit margins. I like a good American lager, like Boulevard Pilsner or even a Schlitz, but I vote with my dollars and I simply don't vote for what I feel are bad business practices.



On a lighter note, my first homebrewed pilsner is bubbling away in my newly rigged cold fermentation chamber! Pretty stoked on that.

 

[blawjr]

I can listen to Mozart and understand what's good about his music, but I just don't like it that much. I prefer Beethoven or Chopin.

What? Mozart is the SHIZZZ!

 

[cheezydemon3]

if 90% of americans swilled mozart....wait

 

[cheezydemon3]

no i got it

 

[TarVolon]

What? Mozart is the SHIZZZ!

My brother tells me the same thing all the time. But most of the classical music I listen to is solo piano (although I do love Beethoven's 7th), and the instrument wasn't really developed when Mozart was composing.