How much hops is needed to preserve?

[don_bran321]

So I screwed up.

I have been having trying to balance my iPA's for a while now. First I wasnt getting enough bitterness from hops due to muslin bags under-isomerizing my hops then I was getting too bitter iPA's once I was throwing them in loose. So I've been putting them later and later in the boil to the point where I was basically whirlpool ing only.
Well I screwed up on my last batch. I don't know what my brain was thinking but I added practically no hops to the boil at all. I'd say about...... . 2 grams worth.
I planned on dryhopping the other 1.2lbs worth.
Through most of my reading about people's expiraments with no hop additions was that the beer turned bad very quickly.
Has anyone tried this with a NEIPA? Any good results?
I'm wondering if I should just dump the fermented wort and save the hops

 

[IslandLizard]

Can you post a recipe where your IPA was too bitter? Most significant are at what times and how large those hop additions were.

Are you perhaps drinking the hop dust that settles? That's really bitter.

What did you have in mind with your latest brew? 1.2 pounds of (dry) hops in how large a batch? That's a lot!


For example, here's the hop schedule for one of my NEIPAs:

• 6 grams of Warrior at 60' (FWH)
• 1st whirlpool hops (80 g) at 170F for 15'
• 2nd whirlpool hops (40 g) at 150F for 30'
• Chill to ferm temp

• 1st dry hop (120 g) 7 days (timed at 50-60% of total attenuation)
• 2nd dry hop (60 g) 5 days (timed with 10% of total attenuation left)
• Cold crash for 2 days
• Keg

That's about 10-11 oz of hops total in a 5.5 gallon batch. All are high %AA IPA hops, 16-18% AA.

I get the right amount of bitterness, but can scale that back a little.

 

[RPh_Guy]

Hops inhibit gram positive bacteria, most importantly Lactobacillus and Pediococcus.

If you have at least half an ounce of hops per 5 gal it'll be more than enough to inhibit these bacteria.

80 gr

FYI "gr" is the abbreviation for "grains", which is a different unit of mass.

 

[Amadeo38]

I think the specific answer to OP’s question is about 5 IBU. This is the number I’ve been told to aim lower than if I plan to allow for a proper kettle sour with lacto. So, if you attained 5 IBU or higher, there’s less of a chance that it will sour. I won’t say no chance, because some strains of lacto are more resistant to higher IBUs.

 

[RPh_Guy]

I think the specific answer to OP’s question is about 5 IBU. This is the number I’ve been told to aim lower than if I plan to allow for a proper kettle sour with lacto. So, if you attained 5 IBU or higher, there’s less of a chance that it will sour. I won’t say no chance, because some strains of lacto are more resistant to higher IBUs.

Even dry hopping inhibits souring, so any IBU number greater than zero is not required.

 

[IslandLizard]

FYI "gr" is the abbreviation for "grains", which is a different unit of mass.

Absolutely right. Grrr... now I need to correct at least 359 threads posts...

 

[RPh_Guy]

Absolutely right. Now I need to correct at least 359 threads...

LOL! I'm sure the people figured it out.

 

[don_bran321]

Absolutely right. Now I need to correct at least 359 threads posts...

I figured it out thank you

 

[don_bran321]

According to my app. I should obtain about 9.9 ibus with the small amount I put in. Hopefully that is enough.
I read two articles about neipas with no boil hops and the both said the beer turned very quickly. Color and all

 

[CodeSection]

@don_bran321 , what app is that?

 

[Andrew Hodgson]

If I am not mistaken NEEPA's darken and stale more quickly than most beers in some parts due to the large amount of hops used in their creation. I think you are confusing hops preventing spoilage of the beer with oxidation that occurs in beer, and is not able to be prevented by adding more hops.

 

[JimRausch]

beer turned very quickly. Color and all

Agreed with Andrew above. A darkening and muted flavor change of your NEIPA is more likely due to an oxidation problem, which they are particularly sensitive to. If you look around various threads you'll find suggestions on how to cut down on that problem.

 

[don_bran321]

Thanks for the feedback. I'm just going off of what little information I've read on the topic. Literally only 2 sites.
I guess I'll just have to truck through it and risk it for the biscuit and see how it comes out.

 

[don_bran321]

@don_bran321 , what app is that?

The app is called "Wort Homebrew Calculator"

It's easy to use and I like that it gives you guidelines for the styles to reference off of

 

[don_bran321]

Just wanted to update everyone on the status of this beer. Holy crap ballz did this turn out amazing. In case everyone is WONDERING...

There is no boil hops necessary to make a NEIPA.

Not only did it hit the style spot on but it's freaking delicious!!

Had some issues with the keg clogging because I had some hop debris go through with the fermenter transfer so I had to remove the poppet from the put post and ball lock connector but it's flowing now!

My local homebrew store finally started selling inline filters so one of those and I'll be good to go.

Cheers!

 

[don_bran321]

Just wanted to update everyone on the status of this beer. Holy crap ballz did this turn out amazing. In case everyone is WONDERING...

There is no boil hops necessary to make a NEIPA.

Not only did it hit the style spot on but it's freaking delicious!!

Had some issues with the keg clogging because I had some hop debris go through with the fermenter transfer so I had to remove the poppet from the put post and ball lock connector but it's flowing now!

My local homebrew store finally started selling inline filters so one of those and I'll be good to go.

Cheers! View attachment 618027View attachment 618028

Edit: to get technical I forgot I did put in.
. 2 grams in the boil. Just very very very little.

 

[Lefou]

The app is called "Wort Homebrew Calculator"

It's easy to use and I like that it gives you guidelines for the styles to reference off of

The free version of "Wort" for Android is the one I use to brainstorm during "on the go" free time.
Brewer's Friend is on my laptop and between the two programs they make up most of my brew calculations