how come selling/buying is not allowed?

[ReverseApacheMaster]

If this guy has to hide his brewing there's probably a lot to this story we don't know and we probably don't want to know it...

 

[bottlebomber]

If this guy has to hide his brewing there's probably a lot to this story we don't know and we probably don't want to know it...

Kind of what I was thinking...

"Hey whatcha doing in your room guy, you've been in there all day."
"Uhhh... nothin'."
"What's that funny smell coming from there?"
"Uhhhh.... I made nachos."

 

[emjay]

I'm guessing he lives in a recovery center, halfway house, or with someone that has made sobriety a condition.

 

[emjay]

I thought heating carboys was a bad idea?

It is. I'm not sure how much negative pressure they can take either. Depending on the the vacuum, the boiling point will vary, but it seems to me that a carboy would shatter well before the point where the vacuum is strong enough to allow it to boil off at a temp that I'd be comfortable *warming* it to. The boiling point of alcohol is sufficiently high, and the ability of a carboy to withstand pressure is sufficiently low, that I just don't think a "sweet spot" exists where alcohol is able boil-off while the vacuum and the heat are BOTH low enough to ensure the carboy remains uncompromised.

I think a giant pressure-cooker would work best. Easy to *sterilize*, and is already built to seal, unlike a brew kettle.

That, or an equally giant borosilicate flask. Also can be sterilized, and systems that apply vacuums to flasks are already quite common, so they're comparatively easy to design.

 

[seabass07]

I thought about a pressure cooker as well. If the lid could be inverted to hold negative pressure, it would probably work well. Otherwise suction would just suck the lid into the pot.

 

[bigbeergeek]

This thread has wandered into NA beer territory and has nothing to do with buying/selling homebrew. Take it somewhere else boys.

 

[Homercidal]

This thread has wandered into NA beer territory and has nothing to do with buying/selling homebrew. Take it somewhere else boys.

I get your point, but consider that buying/selling NA homebrew may not be illegal.

 

[passedpawn]

I've opened a "Brewing a Non-Alchoholic Beer" thread. Let's take any further discussion of that over there. Looking forward to that.

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f128/homebrewing-non-alchoholic-beer-state-union-278865/

This thread has wandered into NA beer territory and has nothing to do with buying/selling homebrew. Take it somewhere else boys.

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[bigbeergeek]

I get your point, but consider that buying/selling NA homebrew may not be illegal.

It would still be illegal, because it will still have some alcohol in it. That's why kids can't buy "NA" beer. It's quite far from the original question at hand here.

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Not very confusing. A lot of people were still posting after the fact.

 

[emjay]

It would still be illegal, because it will still have some alcohol in it. That's why kids can't buy "NA" beer.

You sure about that? Obviously the laws may be different, but I remember when I was a kid and would go buy 0.5% wine coolers with my buddies. They're definitely allowed to here.

 

[Homercidal]

It would still be illegal, because it will still have some alcohol in it. That's why kids can't buy "NA" beer. It's quite far from the original question at hand here.

But if you could get 100% of the alcohol out of it, then it's not beer.

 

[Shooter]

Boy, this thread is confusing. The OP asks about buying and selling beer and focuses quite specifically on NON-ALCOHOLIC beer and people start talking about that along with issues surrounding NA beer and suddenly that's somehow off-topic from the original post?!?!?

 

[passedpawn]

Boy, this thread is confusing. The OP asks about buying and selling beer and focuses quite specifically on NON-ALCOHOLIC beer and people start talking about that along with issues surrounding NA beer and suddenly that's somehow off-topic from the original post?!?!?

The OP's topic (see the topic) and questions had nothing to do with how to brew an NA beer, which is a significant, unresolved issue. I started a new topic about doing that in a different forum to draw the science guys, many of whom don't venture out of that forum.

I do think that any discussion of the legality of buying / selling NA beer is perfectly apropos. If that's what you were referring to, then I agree.

 

[Revvy]

You sure about that? Obviously the laws may be different, but I remember when I was a kid and would go buy 0.5% wine coolers with my buddies. They're definitely allowed to here.

I remember buying a "near beer" as a kid in the 70's. I don't recall what brand it was or anything, just that we could purchase it.

 

[Revvy]

I do think that any discussion of the legality of buying / selling NA beer is perfectly apropos. If that's what you were referring to, then I agree.

This might be something worth contacting the ttb about.

 

[Shooter]

The OP's topic (see the topic) and questions had nothing to do with how to brew an NA beer, which is a significant, unresolved issue. I started a new topic about doing that in a different forum to draw the science guys, many of whom don't venture out of that forum.

I do think that any discussion of the legality of buying / selling NA beer is perfectly apropos. If that's what you were referring to, then I agree.

Well, my biggest thought was that this was in the General Chit Chat area. So, it's kind of just a thread of semi related stuff. Now, granted, General Chit Chat might have been the wrong subforum for this, but, based on the current thread placement, eh, pretty much everything in this thread seems fairly on topic too me.

 

[Homercidal]

This might be something worth contacting the ttb about.

In Michigan it's illegal to sell an NA beer to a minor. I can't remember where I got that info, but I remember it blew my mind at the time because duh, it's NON ALCOHOLIC!

I'm sure there is something in the LCC documents to that effect.

 

[Firebat138]

i believe the answer to the original questions would be Taxes... But we are brewing our own beer, reusing yeast and growing hops... We get our propane cheap also, so it is absolutely saving us money by making our own, but that being said, that is not why we are doing it...

 

[z987k]

i believe the answer to the original questions would be Taxes... But we are brewing our own beer, reusing yeast and growing hops... We get our propane cheap also, so it is absolutely saving us money by making our own, but that being said, that is not why we are doing it...

I think if you looked into the initial investment most of us have in our equipment... which never seems to stop being upgraded or we get new toys... you have to brew a crap ton of beer to break even.

 

[Firebat138]

the comfort of having the beer at home is always worth the effort.

 

[bigbeergeek]

You sure about that? Obviously the laws may be different, but I remember when I was a kid and would go buy 0.5% wine coolers with my buddies. They're definitely allowed to here.

I can't speak for any other state or country, but in CA it's a no-no. I was turned away when I was 14.

 

[bengerman]

I can't speak for any other state or country, but in CA it's a no-no. I was turned away when I was 14.

being turned away doesn't mean it is or was illegal.

i've turned away adult paying customers from buying toluene, which is perfectly legal, because i didn't want to be involved in the situation. same thing with industrial strength lye. perfectly legal for me to sel it to them, but i refused to sell them those products.
i could see doing the same thing if i worked at safeway and a 14 year-old walked up to my counter with a 6'r of Becks NA.



which is not to say it is legal either. i've had this debate before and never gotten a verified answer.

 

[bigbeergeek]

being turned away doesn't mean it is or was illegal.

which is not to say it is legal either. i've had this debate before and never gotten a verified answer.

Well, in my case (CA), it's because it is illegal.

From our good friends at wikipedia:



Beers that are labeled "non-alcoholic" still contain a very small amount of alcohol. Thus, some US states require the purchaser to be 21 years old. Exceptions include:

According to Michigan law, persons must be 18 or older to purchase non-alcoholic beer.
In Texas, the law does not prohibit minors from consuming or buying non-alcoholic beer.[20]
In Wisconsin, the law does not regulate non-alcoholic beer (less than 0.5% ABV), and it can be purchased without any age restriction.
In New Jersey, the law governs only beverages of at least 0.5% ABV.
In Illinois, beverages with under 0.5% ABV are not governed by the Illinois Liquor Control Act and can be purchased and consumed by minors.[21]