Hop combination help

[Chapster100]

I going to do an IPA this weekend and am using the following hops. I was thinking of using Citra instead of the simcoe but and not sure if I should dry hop it or not. Do you think the combo will work. Help appreciated.

Hops: 30 g Southern Passion (US 4/78) (9%) - 60 min

Hops: 20 g Cascade (6.5%) - 15 min (before end of boil)

Hops: 15 g Southern Passion (US 4/78) (9%) 15 min (before end of boil)

Hops: 15 g Simcoe - 1 min (before end of boil)

 

[normonster]

Hey Chapster! I'm doing an IIPA this weekend my self. These dudes are going to want to know your grain bill, batch size & expected OG/FG. Not sure what your ABV is going to be but I like my IBUs 60+ for anything over 7%.

Southern Passion is a new one to me so can't even guess how the combo would pan out.

 

[govner1]

I'd consider putting the Simcoe in @ 60 for your bittering instead of the Southern Passion(use it @ the end) & leave your others as is.

 

[Chapster100]

Sorry all. This is the detail. So all I want to is replace the simco with citra. Will that work.

Batch size: 20 liters
Efficiency: 70.0%
Original Gravity: 1.060
Final Gravity: 1.015
Alcohol: 5.9%
Bitterness: 51.6 IBU
Boil duration: 60 min

Water needed
13 L @72 C for Mash-in (Mash ratio = 2.6 L of water per kg grain)
20 L @ 76 C for Sparge (Sparge ratio = 1.5 x quantity of Mash Water)


Ingredients

5.8 kg Pale Malt
0.3 kg Pale Crystal Malt (20 L)
100 g Amber Malt
Hops: 30 g Southern Passion (US 4/78) (9%) - 60 min
Hops: 20 g Cascade (6.5%) - 15 min (before end of boil)
Hops: 15 g Southern Passion (US 4/78) (9%) 15 min (before end of boil)
Hops: 15 g Simcoe - 1 min (before end of boil)
5 ml Irish moss - 15 min (before the end of the boil)

Fermentis Safale SO5 or Bry-97 West Coast American Ale yeast

 

[m00ps]

no reason why it wouldnt. Citra and simcoe are definitely different hops but wouldnt be bad if switched with eachother. Simcoes more piney, citra more tropical, but they are both assertive hops tailored for IPAs. Im more surpised what southern passion is though. I buy up every new hop variety, even experimental ones, and Ive never heard of it

I do think you need the like triple the amount of late hops if you want an IPA though. The 60min addition will get you bitterness, but with the small amounts you have at 15 and 1min, the end hop character will be pretty muted. Id easily do 100g or upwards at the end of the boil and let it steep for a bti before cooling. IME this is the best way to get anythign close to a commercial hop character

 

[Chapster100]

Thanks for this advice. So steeping is to leave the the wort after the boil Before cooling. How long. 10 min?
Think I am going to leave all as is, but instead simcoe use 50g Citra at the end and up the cascade at 15minites to 40g

 

[m00ps]

People usually recommend 30min or so. I do an hour for IPAs though. It helps maximize your flameout additions and if done right, can net you a ton of hop character with little to no bitterness added. The best IPAs ive done have just been 1oz of the start of the boil and then a bunch added at the end

 

[Chapster100]

Another question. With a late addition of hops does the AA % come into to play much. For example if I have some cascade left over from a previous batch, but my new batch need cascade for a late addition but the AA % is different can I use it. Or do I need the exact AA the recipe has on it.

 

[normonster]

Another question. With a late addition of hops does the AA % come into to play much. For example if I have some cascade left over from a previous batch, but my new batch need cascade for a late addition but the AA % is different can I use it. Or do I need the exact AA the recipe has on it.

If you want the exact recipe you should adjust the weights according to the AA%. Beersmith makes it easy but the math is not too tough by hand. Late hops don't contribute many IBUs though so in terms of bitterness, at least, the AA% difference probably wouldn't be noticeable at this batch size.

 

[m00ps]

with hops after flameout, theres a lot of grey area on exactly how much IBUs you extract. Ive found its pretty impossible to go overboard though. I dont particularly like bitter IPA (stones IPA for example is pushing it for me) but I've been going over 16oz in my IPAs and they drink like fruit juice