hop additions seem high for this beer

[walker111]

Hi all
Planning to brew a Daytripper Pale Ale for the first time and I do double batches. It calls for 24 oz of hops for the double!!!! most are late additions and for the dry hop but curious if this seems out of balance to some of you? Recipe does not show the IBU.

Anyone brew this ale ? How did it turn out?
thanks

 

[deadwolfbones]

Got a link to the recipe?

 

[walker111]

All my recipes are hard copies at home but I will look.
thanks

 

[grampamark]

I assume you're looking at this recipe in Brewer's Friend? The hop additions seem a little funky, to me. It calls for an 8oz whirlpool at 0 minutes @212°. The conventional wisdom is to do a whirlpool (or hopstand) after the wort has cooled to 170°, or so, to avoid adding bitterness. Ths also looks more like a NEIPA recipe than a pale ale. BF might not recognize NEIPA as a style, though.

I use BeerSmith 2 a lot more than Brewer's Friend. In BS, if you create and save a recipe it gets stored in the recipe database, which makes the recipe accessible to anyone doing a search for that particular style. I think a lot of recipes get created but never brewed (I've put together several, and saved them, but haven't brewed them, yet). If BF treats created and saved recipes the same way, this recipe might have never been brewed. Just a thought.

 

[SRJHops]

It that's a clone of Indeed's Daytripper, and you are doing a double batch (as in 10 gallons?), then I think 24 ounces is in the ballpark of reasonable. It's a pretty hoppy beer.

I use 18 ounces for a 6-gallon NEIPA, and yours is 12 ounces for a 5-gallon regular IPA, right?

It does seem like your recipe is moving toward NEIPA territory, but with that addition of 8 ozs at 0 minutes, in theory it would add more bitterness -- like an IPA -- and less flavor than a NEIPA. So I suppose it's possible...

 

[walker111]

Thanks guys. I do brew IPA often and even with the 10 gallon batch I don't think I used more that 14 oz total. One way to find out. If I brew it I may scale back some .

 

[day_trippr]

I assume you're looking at this recipe in Brewer's Friend? The hop additions seem a little funky, to me. It calls for an 8oz whirlpool at 0 minutes @212°. The conventional wisdom is to do a whirlpool (or hopstand) after the wort has cooled to 170°, or so, to avoid adding bitterness. [...]

That's called a "Flame-Out Addition" and is indeed intended to contribute significant bitterness.
Sub-170°F whirlpool additions are intended to contribute everything BUT bitterness...

Cheers!

 

[grampamark]

That's called a "Flame-Out Addition" and is indeed intended to contribute significant bitterness.
Sub-170°F whirlpool additions are intended to contribute everything BUT bitterness...

Cheers!

I realize that. Since the recipe looks more like a NEIPA than an APA, I thought that that much of a bittering addition at flameout didn't seem to fit.

 

[day_trippr]

I don't have a BF account so didn't look at the recipe. Are there any early additions? If not it would explain the FO addition...

Cheers!

 

[grampamark]

I don't have a BF account so didn't look at the recipe. Are there any early additions? If not it would explain the FO addition...

Cheers!

Here ya go.

 

[day_trippr]

Yeah, ok, I see it now. I agree, those should be whirlpool/sub-170°F additions or the IBUs are gonna be too high for the style.
Might work for an old-school high-pucker factor WCIPA...

Cheers!

 

[SRJHops]

That recipe calls for whole leaf hops, which helps clear up the mystery a bit. They are much less potent. If they were pellets, I agree the IBU's would likely be way too high. As is, my bet is you'll get a flavorful IPA with that recipe.

With that said, I don't really get the point of whole leaf hops? Can anyone defend/explain them? I get that they may be "fresher." But I've had fresh hopped beers and am often less than impressed with the flavor and aroma.

I'm personally more interested in moving in the other direction by trying out Cryo hops and hop oils.

For that recipe, I would reduce the amounts and swap in pellets. Might take a few brews to dial it in, but that goes for most recipes, right?

 

[day_trippr]

Actually, whole cones are only ~5-10% less effective than T90 pellets...

Cheers!

 

[walker111]

I didn't even notice it calling for non pellet style hops!!! May have to hold on this one a go to a regular stable IPA I enjoy.
Thanks