Homebrewing in NJ ILLEGAL w/o permit!!!
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LuckyPenny
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Please, our tubby governor wants to dismantle one of the best public school systems in the nation so he can privatize it and make millions for his corporate buddies. Your taxes won't go down a bit....Alright, I'm done with politics; Beer On!If you don't live here, stop your hating.
If you live here vote the slouch Democrats out. They just rejected helping the tax payers by caving into the unions.
Remember to vote in November.
Typically - no. But if I had a convenient HBS I might change the way I do things.
Why?
What is love2brew and where in central jersey will it be?
No, not spam. I checked it out a bit.
He talked about setting up the store on a MMA forum a while ago, and already registered a TM.
A site is in the works, and he is up on twitter. This internet is a crazy place.
http://love2brew.com/
So Ron, you've got an audience and some local interest. Please keep us up to date on the plans.
Joe
He talked about setting up the store on a MMA forum a while ago, and already registered a TM.
A site is in the works, and he is up on twitter. This internet is a crazy place.
http://love2brew.com/
So Ron, you've got an audience and some local interest. Please keep us up to date on the plans.
Joe
Hey guys, sorry about the delay it's been a crazy week.
love2brew is myself (Ron) and my partner (Mark) and our take on a LHBS + Internet retailer. One thing we are doing differnetly is taking a unique approach to the website that no other homebrew shop is doing currently.
I can't get too into details just yet but the shop is looking like it will be located in central NJ; in the Edison, North/New/East/South Brunswick area, we're still finalizing our lease choices.
The shop will have some BOP options as well as a healthy selection and friendly/knowledge staff. We noticed a need from our experiences and will be covering beer/wine/cider. I'm way more involved in beer while Mark has been doing wine and cider for over 12 years.
It's really exciting to see some excitment generated about this; we've been so busy and excited with the project this is very refreshing. Will keep everyone updated as time goes by. We will also be a homebrewtalk.com vendor/supporter; we definitely have a business model built on giving back to the community.
-Ron
love2brew
love2brew is myself (Ron) and my partner (Mark) and our take on a LHBS + Internet retailer. One thing we are doing differnetly is taking a unique approach to the website that no other homebrew shop is doing currently.
I can't get too into details just yet but the shop is looking like it will be located in central NJ; in the Edison, North/New/East/South Brunswick area, we're still finalizing our lease choices.
The shop will have some BOP options as well as a healthy selection and friendly/knowledge staff. We noticed a need from our experiences and will be covering beer/wine/cider. I'm way more involved in beer while Mark has been doing wine and cider for over 12 years.
It's really exciting to see some excitment generated about this; we've been so busy and excited with the project this is very refreshing. Will keep everyone updated as time goes by. We will also be a homebrewtalk.com vendor/supporter; we definitely have a business model built on giving back to the community.
-Ron
love2brew
Potholeskinny
New Member
Screw the permit. It's not enforced. And if it was, I would love for them to knock on my door. I would challenge it and help change the law.
dancness
Well-Known Member
I know right, I bet NJ police officers aren't even aware a brewing permit is required.
Seriously, I have brewed outside and seen cops drive by. They really could not care less. The day they come over I will do as I always do when I get pulled over... feign ignorance.
I'll just talk to the officer about how I buy all my ingredients at the homebrew store around the corner, supporting local small businesses.
But I'm not paying $15 a year to the state to brew my own beer. Sorry. Of course I won't tell him this.
Broncobum
Well-Known Member
I wonder if we could do a mid-jersey group buy? I am in north plainfield. The $20 or so in gas and tolls to the other group buys kinda kills the good deal for me.
Also, having a new store open up around here would be awesome. If they are good, I bet there will be a lot of business. There seems to be quite a number of us in this general area.
This stupid state and their permits. As a homeowner, I don't think you can hook up a garden hose without a permit and inspection. It would be nice to see this one go away.
Heres a vote for South Brunswick!
Im excited to hear what you guys get done. See you when you open. :rockin:
Mischief_Brewing
Well-Known Member
The language on the NJ homebrew permit makes entering contests illegal. Funny thing is, there are a handful of contests in Jersey.
And to the love2brew crew, looking forward to having a local HBS nearby! I'm voting for Edison, you've got the turnpike and the parkway there.
Good point.. and 287. All major highways and easy to get to. :rockin:
thegerm
Well-Known Member
I moved to NJ from TX a year ago. I researched homebrewing laws before I moved. The permit thing is absurd for a lotta reasons. I don't bother with it, coz I brew in my apartment on the stove with heatsticks, so there's not really any avenue for a cop or other authority figure to see what I'm up to anyway.
I do gotta say, the most disappointing thing about northern new jersey isn't any of this stereotypical stuff(well, mostly), it's the lack of a quality LHBS. All I have is corrados, and that place is geared towards wine, plus the person I've interacted with there was kinda douchey and unhelpful.
NJ is a major biomass of humanity, seems like the market would support a good LHBS...
I do gotta say, the most disappointing thing about northern new jersey isn't any of this stereotypical stuff(well, mostly), it's the lack of a quality LHBS. All I have is corrados, and that place is geared towards wine, plus the person I've interacted with there was kinda douchey and unhelpful.
NJ is a major biomass of humanity, seems like the market would support a good LHBS...
I work in Passaic (I am close enough to Wallington to throw things at your house) and Corrado's really is not a home brew destination. I have been there twice, and don't see myself going back.
The shop at gaslight is supposed to be alright, but not good enough to warrent the drive through East Orange to get there.
And Brewers Apprentice is a nice enough shop, and I know a few HBT members work there, but the BOP aspect is such a big part of the business - it really eats a lot of man power. I did the BOP thing years ago, and they really service the hell out of those customers. For that reason, it wasn't a great experience when I went back a couple years later and had to stand in line for 20 minutes to buy a sack of 2 row.
I think NJ really needs a HBS more in the style of B3 or Northern Brewer. I'd love a place that caters to a more advanced crowd, from both an ingredient and technical advice standpoint. It would be nice if it also had an atmosphere that kind of encouraged you to hang out, chat, and sample some stuff.
Spending two hours in the car on a Saturday is reason enough for me to buy online and have what I need delivered to my door. If I had a local enough shop, that knew your name and encouraged you to stick around a bit, I would be completely willing to shy away from the on-line vendors.
For a state with such high density, I can not believe a place like I described does not yet exist.
Joe
The shop at gaslight is supposed to be alright, but not good enough to warrent the drive through East Orange to get there.
And Brewers Apprentice is a nice enough shop, and I know a few HBT members work there, but the BOP aspect is such a big part of the business - it really eats a lot of man power. I did the BOP thing years ago, and they really service the hell out of those customers. For that reason, it wasn't a great experience when I went back a couple years later and had to stand in line for 20 minutes to buy a sack of 2 row.
I think NJ really needs a HBS more in the style of B3 or Northern Brewer. I'd love a place that caters to a more advanced crowd, from both an ingredient and technical advice standpoint. It would be nice if it also had an atmosphere that kind of encouraged you to hang out, chat, and sample some stuff.
Spending two hours in the car on a Saturday is reason enough for me to buy online and have what I need delivered to my door. If I had a local enough shop, that knew your name and encouraged you to stick around a bit, I would be completely willing to shy away from the on-line vendors.
For a state with such high density, I can not believe a place like I described does not yet exist.
Joe
TwoDollarBill
Active Member
I lived there for 3 years... been gone nearly a year, haven't missed NJ one bit!
I used Gaslight back when I started brewing because it was all I knew, but they were definitely lacking back then.
rico567
Well-Known Member
If I moved to NJ, there is no way in the world I would get a permit. Once you've got one*, if the political winds blow that way, they can just tax the life right out of you, or decide to revoke it.....and then if they decide to come a' knockin', they know just where to find you. I don't think so.
*NB: This can be applied to ANY permit: brewing, kite flying, owning guns or CCW....there's food for thought in it.
http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/war...f/2011/12/new_jersey_bill_eliminates_per.html
[First Reprint]
ASSEMBLY, No. 4012
STATE OF NEW JERSEY
214th LEGISLATURE
INTRODUCED MAY 19, 2011
Sponsored by:
Assemblyman CRAIG J. COUGHLIN
District 19 (Middlesex)
SYNOPSIS
Eliminates permit requirement for home production of wine and beer for personal use.
CURRENT VERSION OF TEXT
As reported by the Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee on November 21, 2011, with amendments.
An Act concerning the production of wine and beer and amending R.S.33:1-75 1and supplementing Title 33 of the Revised Statutes1.
Be It Enacted by the Senate and General Assembly of the State of New Jersey:
1. R.S.33:1-75 is amended to read as follows:
33:1-75. a. [The director may, subject to rules and regulations, issue special permits authorizing the manufacture by a person who is 21 years of age or older, within a home or other noncommercial premises, of wines or malt alcoholic beverages in quantities not exceeding 200 gallons per calendar year for the person's personal or household use or consumption.] Deleted by amendment, P.L. , c. (pending before the Legislature as this bill) 1.1
b. The director may, subject to rules and regulations, issue special permits authorizing the manufacture of wines in an instructional winemaking facility by a person who is 21 years of age or older, residing within or without this State, in quantities not exceeding 200 gallons per calendar year for the person's personal or household use or consumption.
c. The director shall, by regulation, establish a reasonable fee to cover the costs incurred in issuing the special permits required by this section.
d. A person manufacturing wines 1[or malt alcoholic beverages]1 pursuant to this section shall not be liable for any tax imposed under the "Alcoholic beverage tax law," R.S.54:41-1 et seq.
(cf: P.L.2007, c.329, s.2)
12. (New section) a. A person who is 21 years of age or older may manufacture within a home or other noncommercial premises wines or malt alcoholic beverages in quantities not exceeding 200 gallons per calendar year for the person's personal or household use or consumption.
b. A special permit shall not be required to manufacture wines or malt alcoholic beverages pursuant to this section.
c. A person manufacturing malt alcoholic beverages pursuant to this section shall not be liable for any tax imposed under the "Alcoholic beverage tax law," R.S.54:41-1 et seq.1
1[2.] 3.1 This act shall take effect immediately.
[First Reprint]
ASSEMBLY, No. 4012
STATE OF NEW JERSEY
214th LEGISLATURE
INTRODUCED MAY 19, 2011
Sponsored by:
Assemblyman CRAIG J. COUGHLIN
District 19 (Middlesex)
SYNOPSIS
Eliminates permit requirement for home production of wine and beer for personal use.
CURRENT VERSION OF TEXT
As reported by the Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee on November 21, 2011, with amendments.
An Act concerning the production of wine and beer and amending R.S.33:1-75 1and supplementing Title 33 of the Revised Statutes1.
Be It Enacted by the Senate and General Assembly of the State of New Jersey:
1. R.S.33:1-75 is amended to read as follows:
33:1-75. a. [The director may, subject to rules and regulations, issue special permits authorizing the manufacture by a person who is 21 years of age or older, within a home or other noncommercial premises, of wines or malt alcoholic beverages in quantities not exceeding 200 gallons per calendar year for the person's personal or household use or consumption.] Deleted by amendment, P.L. , c. (pending before the Legislature as this bill) 1.1
b. The director may, subject to rules and regulations, issue special permits authorizing the manufacture of wines in an instructional winemaking facility by a person who is 21 years of age or older, residing within or without this State, in quantities not exceeding 200 gallons per calendar year for the person's personal or household use or consumption.
c. The director shall, by regulation, establish a reasonable fee to cover the costs incurred in issuing the special permits required by this section.
d. A person manufacturing wines 1[or malt alcoholic beverages]1 pursuant to this section shall not be liable for any tax imposed under the "Alcoholic beverage tax law," R.S.54:41-1 et seq.
(cf: P.L.2007, c.329, s.2)
12. (New section) a. A person who is 21 years of age or older may manufacture within a home or other noncommercial premises wines or malt alcoholic beverages in quantities not exceeding 200 gallons per calendar year for the person's personal or household use or consumption.
b. A special permit shall not be required to manufacture wines or malt alcoholic beverages pursuant to this section.
c. A person manufacturing malt alcoholic beverages pursuant to this section shall not be liable for any tax imposed under the "Alcoholic beverage tax law," R.S.54:41-1 et seq.1
1[2.] 3.1 This act shall take effect immediately.
EdWort
Well-Known Member
Yep, once you are in the system for it, you are boned.
I saw this on facebook the other day, me and many of my homebrewing friends had no clue about this permit. I was reading through it and it says that you are now allowed to distribute your own wine. Does anyone know if this applies to beer too? That would make it a lot easier for anyone to open a micro/nanobrewery in NJ.
the distribution of wine is only for licensed wineries. not home wine. the limit under federal law is still 200 gallons for personal use.
"Only wineries that produce a maximum of 250,000 gallons a year would be able to sell and ship directly under the bill. All farm wineries -- where grapes are grown and fermented -- would be eligible."
"Only wineries that produce a maximum of 250,000 gallons a year would be able to sell and ship directly under the bill. All farm wineries -- where grapes are grown and fermented -- would be eligible."
LuckyPenny
Member
Bill signed by the governor the other day, so no more permit to brew in NJ.
Bill signed by the governor the other day, so no more permit to brew in NJ.
GREAT! Quit bitchin' bout your "chubby" Gov. He's gonna be president in 2016 if Obama wins again.
You beat me to it. I saw this thread and this is exactly what I was going to say. But then, I live in Masshole land. So, tough for people like who live in glass houses to throw stones. But at least we can brew beer without a fee. For now. Don't give Deval Patrick any ideas.
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