Homebrew hangovers worse than with BMC?

[RichBrewer]

I have a real hard time believing that and would like to see the source they got that information from. One would think that the acidity of the digestive system would kill the yeast. I highly doubt it would thrive in your guts. There is not really any food for the yeast to eat to live. I would have to do more research on that topic before I believed it. But I have been wrong many times before in the past.

The other thing to consider- If yeast were living in your gut can you imagine the gas it would produce???

 

[Ivan Lendl]

beer is not the only source of yeast...fresh fruit is covered with millions and millions and millions of wild yeast cells, ive never heard of getting a hangover from eating grapes. (a single grape can have as many as 10 million yeast cells on it)

ive personnally eaten a buttload of grapes in one sitting, without getting hungover. (the sh*ts maybe, hungover no)

 

[sonvolt]

Okay . . . I can't take it anymore; I'm calling post foul on this thread! Didn't this rowland recently start this thread in which he wanted to use yeast from his brews in recipes with ground meat for health reasons . . . and now he is claiming that his yeast gives him hangovers.

I'm calling . . . troll

 

[rowland]

That was my first post in this thread, I introduced myself, said that I'm a new user and said what gives me a hangover. I said "live" yeast I believe I have a problem with, dead yeast I don't. (would you eat a live animal?, I prefer them dead and cooked, same with yeast, I believe the live yeast in beer is somewhat unhealthy). sonvolt I don't have any will to get into any flame wars, hope you understand.

 

[El Pistolero]

That was my first post in this thread, I introduced myself, said that I'm a new user and said what gives me a hangover. I said "live" yeast I believe I have a problem with, dead yeast I don't. (would you eat a live animal?, I prefer them dead and cooked, same with yeast, I believe the live yeast in beer is somewhat unhealthy). sonvolt I don't have any will to get into any flame wars, hope you understand.

While it never occured to me that your post might have been a troll, I can understand why some might have taken it that way. First off, from your description of your methods, it seems to me that you're really more interested in making something with a lot of alcohol than you are in making good beer. Then in another post you talk about wetting the bed when you drink to much. Then you post a link to a site that contains a bunch of poppycock about live yeast causing hangovers.

Here's what's causing your hangovers: 1) Brewing with more sugar than malt, and 2) Drinking so much that you wet the bed. I guarantee you that if you brew something to a standard recipe without sugar, and stop drinking before you lose control of bodily functions, then you won't have anymore hangover problems (at least not homebrew related ones).

 

[sonvolt]

While it never occured to me that your post might have been a troll, I can understand why some might have taken it that way. First off, from your description of your methods, it seems to me that you're really more interested in making something with a lot of alcohol than you are in making good beer. Then in another post you talk about wetting the bed when you drink to much. Then you post a link to a site that contains a bunch of poppycock about live yeast causing hangovers.

These are points that I also would make in defense of my (erroneous) judgment of your posts as "fake" posts. Sorry if I'm wrong . . . and I'm not picking a "flame-fight" either.

But seriously . . . you may be the first person I've ever known who homebrews in order to get drunk cheaply. Most of us (IMO) get into homebrewing for the hand-crafted quality of excellent tasting beer. If I was out to drink so much I pi$$ed my bed, I think I'd tear into a couple $2.00 bottles of Mad Dog 20/20 becasue that corn sugar laden beer you're making and bottling in 2 liter pepsi bottles can't taste that good . . . but I'm sure it gets you

As for the hangovers . . . I'm with El P . . . maybe you shouldn't drink so much that you pi$$ the bed.

But hey . . . that's cool, too. Sorry for misinterpreting the purpose of your posts.

 

[rowland]

I like to get drunk, if the beer has 5% it tastes wonderful to me. Higher alcohol beers where I live cost $3-$6 a longneck and if you drink 20-30 of those aweek it adds up and I also like to help my friends pockets as well. I like to step lightly on the earth and reuse and waste less. I can't imagine if I was constantly drinking store brought booze how much waste I would be creating each week. Using plastic pet bottles I'm not even wasting metal bottle caps. Beer is a food and I'm saving food money drinking beer at night because I'm often not hungry while I'm drinking so 3-4 nights of the week I don't bother cooking dinner. About the bed wetting, It's only happened afew times, and thats when I drink alot of water before bed, not so much drinking too much booze before bed. No worries sonvolt.

El Pistolero, I would use different sugar if it would improve the beer, but when brewers sugar is 3-4 times more expensive than table sugar, I can't bring myself to buy it instead.

 

[El Pistolero]

I like to step lightly on the earth and reuse and waste less.

Then quit using all that refined sugar in your beer. Refined sugar may be easier on your pocket book, but it certainly isn't easier on the environment.

El Pistolero, I would use different sugar if it would improve the beer, but when brewers sugar is 3-4 times more expensive than table sugar, I can't bring myself to buy it instead.

Sorry, but here's where you put your money where your mouth is. Using malt extract instead of sugar will certainly improve your beer...tremendously. It will also cost a few pennies more per bottle. Are you interested in making good beer and "stepping lightly on the earth", or are you interested in getting drunk the cheapest way possible. IMHO, you can't do both.

 

[kevy_kev]

just buy a gallon of popov.. it gets you to the same end point for half the price if thats all you want.

That is surprosing about the rice ratio in Bud and Bud Lite, is it backwards? I can stomach Bud Lite a little better than Bud

 

[rowland]

I'm not sure what to say to that. Sugar in my opinion is sugar be it malt, dextrose etc. There really is no reason why one sugar is better over the other in beer brewing except one type isn't as fully fermentable as the other. My understanding is table sugar is fully fermentable, some of the others are not. I'm not interested in drinking candy water, sugar is bad for you, so is alcohol but why drink unfermented sugars when instead that portion could be alcohol? I see your point, beers with higher unfermented sugars taste better, but if you drink to get drunk, you'll just drink more and add to your waist line and drinking more unfermented sugar in my opinion is against most health concious readings. I understand higher alcohol is bad too, but I drink because the beer has alcohol in it, not because the unfermented sugar makes it taste good. I think my beer tastes good anyway, I'm not into competition beers or anything like that, I just enjoy brewing my own beer and drinking it thinking to myself this only cost me abit of copper instead of gold coins.

 

[barleypopmaker]

Nobody I have ever known has gotten into homebrewing because it is cheaper. Equipment+ingredients+time=not as cheap as one would think. Granted, even with some overpriced malt extracts you can make a 5 gallon batch of 5%-6% ABV beer that will be tastier than using tons of table sugar. I think the cheapest batch I made was $.61/bottle . All that was 6.6lbs of malt extract, 1lb corn sugar, 2oz of Northern Brewer Hops and 1 packet of dry yeast. The beer was good but not great. If you are just into the higher alcohol content, Ommegang has some higher Alcohol beers for (at least here) $5.50/bottle but they are pretty big bottles, otherwise you can homebrew a strong beer for $.90- $1.10 per bottle and it will be a higher quality than the table sugar beer. But if that is what works for you who am I to judge. I just don't want you to think that you have to use the table sugar. If you look at overall cost of a batch per bottle, it is still quite cheap. There is nothing wrong with using glass, you can pick up a case at a liquor store of returnable bottles for about $1.20/case and the caps can be recycled if you wish. But if just getting drunk quick is the goal, nothing works better than a 3-6 cans of Bud Light, 1 funnel, 3 feet of hose, and a little duct tape. Repeat throughout the evening for a cheap hardcore buzz.

I think what you will find is that almost all homebrewers brew thier own because they love the taste of good beer, and love the process of making the beer. The Alcohol is just a sweet sweet bonus, still a bonus that most of us wouldn't be brewing if it wasn't there I admit. That is why I think so many homebrewers try to push people away from the excessive use of sugar. Not to add that sugar will thin the beer as far as body goes.

 

[Walker]

[SOAPBOX]
I'm thinking we should end this thread before it gets ugly.

Rowland says his homebrew gives him worse hangovers than commercial. There are a number of reasons why this is probably true, and we have pointed a lot of them out, and have offered suggesitons about how to fix it. Rowland can be in control of whether he wants to remedy the problem, but I don't think it's our position to lecture or preach about his drinking habits.

Is his drinking irresponsible? Well.. Rowland said himself that it was in his first post in this thread, so there is no point in our telling him it's irresponsible. He already knows it.

I admit that I have to laugh at both the "stepping lightly on the earth" argument (processing sugar is more environmentally harmful than making malt extract) as well as the "health issues" argument (you are concerned about consuming unfermented sugar, but have no problem drinking loads of alcohol?)

But... I feel that Rowland might have made these statements as a result of being cornered by people being critical of his beer and his drinking habits. It wasn't fair of us to corner him like that, IMHO.

Rowlands drinking is certainly unhealthy, but he's a big boy that seems to recognize this fact, and we should let it alone.

If he wants our help to fix the quality of his beer, we can offer it, but we should NOT cram it and our personal beliefs about alcohol consumption down his throat.
[/SOAPBOX]

-walker

 

[m_f]

EDIT: walker is right. I withdraw my post and say that after reading each of his previous posts (including making "healthy" vegemite and a 1 year long primary fermentation) I think that he is not here to get help (or offer it).

JP

 

[El Pistolero]

I'm not sure what to say to that. Sugar in my opinion is sugar be it malt, dextrose etc. There really is no reason why one sugar is better over the other in beer brewing except one type isn't as fully fermentable as the other.

Come on rowland...you say you're not trolling, then you make a statement like this.

 

[sonvolt]

[SOAPBOX]

But... I feel that Rowland might have made these statements as a result of being cornered by people being critical of his beer and his drinking habits. It wasn't fair of us to corner him like that, IMHO.

Rowlands drinking is certainly unhealthy, but he's a big boy that seems to recognize this fact, and we should let it alone.

If he wants our help to fix the quality of his beer, we can offer it, but we should NOT cram it and our personal beliefs about alcohol consumption down his throat.
[/SOAPBOX]

-walker

Yep . . ., and it was probably my comments that first did this . . . sorry .

 

[El Pistolero]

But... I feel that Rowland might have made these statements as a result of being cornered by people being critical of his beer and his drinking habits. It wasn't fair of us to corner him like that, IMHO.

I agreed with you at first, but having gone back and re-read everything, including his recent responses, I think sonvolt was right in the first place.

Not a bad one tho, as trolls go...I'd have to say 8.5 for form and 7 for flame-worthiness.

 

[Walker]

Yep . . ., and it was probably my comments that first did this . . . sorry .

Not really. I think I mght have been the first person to tell him that he drinks too much, and I probably should not have done this. I'm just as guilty as anybody for being critical. I will give myself 40 lashes with the cat-o-nine tonight.

This thing started because the Lizard asked a question about hangovers. Rowland chimed in with his opinion that HB was worse for hangovers than commercial, and for him, his beer, and his habits... this is probably true.

Most of us agree that Rowland's homebrew and drinking habits are different beasts than our own, and that should be factored into things when weighing his input on the subject, but it probably should have stopped there rather than turn into this.

If Rowland is a troll (I have no opinion of whether he is or not), then we are giving him what he wants.

If Rowland is not a troll, then we are preaching to him.

Either way, WE should probably stop doing what we are doing and let Rowland be, troll or no troll.

-walker

 

[Walker]

I agreed with you at first, but having gone back and re-read everything, including his recent responses, I think sonvolt was right in the first place.

Not a bad one tho, as trolls go...I'd have to say 8.5 for form and 7 for flame-worthiness.

LOL.

-walker

 

[sonvolt]

LOL.

-walker

I give it an B+ . . . at best.

 

[El Pistolero]

Either way, WE should probably stop doing what we are doing and let Rowland be, troll or no troll.

Can't do it...I'm sworn to ferret out trolls wherever they are.

-von Pistolero Helsing

 

[rowland]

WOW Imperial Walker, Thanks for the nice post. Guys it's my brewing style and my logic, it makes sense to me. It's 3:30am and I'm about to hit the hay here after one more. In my opinion, there is a broad line between making good tasting beer and good tasting alcohol. It really depends on how you drink, I have drank quality beers before but I find them very filling and bloating. When I pour my beer, It fizzes and I can smell the alcohol and I sometimes just stare at it without even drinking it thinking about life and other things. To me the heart of a good beer is the alcohol, the feeling of it going down your throut into your stomach making you feel warm, it still makes my skin tingle and gives me goose bumps. I'm going to try and let it rest at that in this thread, just sharing my personal view on beer. (I'm sure you guys get tanked much more often than what you have been admiting to in this thread)

 

[El Pistolero]

To me the heart of a good beer is the alcohol

No, that's the heart of a good Ripple.

 

[Walker]

WOW Imperial Walker, Thanks for the nice post.

You're welcome... I guess. I was trying to write up a post that expressed my total view of this whole thing, but I can't really do it without being hypocritical.

I would say that you certainly have a different philosophy about beer and homebrew than most people here.

-walker

 

[barleypopmaker]

Can't do it...I'm sworn to ferret out trolls wherever they are.

-von Pistolero Helsing

Well, what if I only look like a troll? Can I stay?

:rockin:

 

[El Pistolero]

Well, what if I only look like a troll? Can I stay?

I'm not easily fooled by outward appearence, but should I hastily fire a warning shot into your kneecap, please accept my humble apologies.

 

[sirsloop]

Lol... worst Ive had from HB is a bad case of next day beer ****s. Yeast is a laxative, and if you drink A LOT of the trub at the bottom of the bottles you end up with some rather loose turds. HA!

 

[homebrewer_99]

Never had a hangover from HB.

And the older you get the more you appreciate a good dump...or so I've heard. I enjoy several a day...

 

[veggiess]

Is it possible after the beer conditions in the bottle to heat it up to kill the yeast as I feel this is one reason why I get hangovers, live yeast robbing my body of vitamines. Once the yeast is deactivated, I should then get the benifits of the yeasts vitamines.



http://www.foodsubs.com/LeavenYeast.html

This is BS! Okay, buddy, do you know better than to believe everything you read? This aggravates medical professionals such as myself; people do searches on the internet and take everything they read as fact. Did you know any idiot can post on the internet, make up a bunch of crap, and call it "truth"? Here is something you CAN believe, the source is from the University of Maryland Medical Center, supported by several peer-reviewed professional journals.

"Brewer's yeast is often used as a source of B-complex vitamins and chromium. The B-complex vitamins in brewer's yeast include B1 (thiamine), B2 (riboflavin), B3 (niacin), B5 (pantothenic acid), B6 (pyridoxine), B9 (folic acid), and H (biotin). These vitamins help break down carbohydrates, fats, and proteins, which provide the body with energy. They also support the nervous system, help maintain the muscles used for digestion, and promote the health of skin, hair, eyes, mouth, and liver."

But, you probably know all this and are just trolling, in which case I just encouraged you... ah, well. That's the way it goes.

 

[Exo]

Hey, I get hangovers when I drink these: MBC, wine, hard stuff HB.

I can relate it to drinking to much or drinking all day in moderate (?) amounts.

The occasional headache from a six-pack I'm narrowing down to the hop-infested IPA's and such.

 

[RichBrewer]

This is BS! Okay, buddy, do you know better than to believe everything you read? This aggravates medical professionals such as myself; people do searches on the internet and take everything they read as fact. Did you know any idiot can post on the internet, make up a bunch of crap, and call it "truth"? Here is something you CAN believe, the source is from the University of Maryland Medical Center, supported by several peer-reviewed professional journals.

"Brewer's yeast is often used as a source of B-complex vitamins and chromium. The B-complex vitamins in brewer's yeast include B1 (thiamine), B2 (riboflavin), B3 (niacin), B5 (pantothenic acid), B6 (pyridoxine), B9 (folic acid), and H (biotin). These vitamins help break down carbohydrates, fats, and proteins, which provide the body with energy. They also support the nervous system, help maintain the muscles used for digestion, and promote the health of skin, hair, eyes, mouth, and liver."

But, you probably know all this and are just trolling, in which case I just encouraged you... ah, well. That's the way it goes.

Can yeast survive in the human digestive tract? I would tend to think it couldn't. With all the acids and enzymes produced wouldn't it be a very hostile environment for yeast. Also, if the yeast could survive wouldn't a lot of CO2 gas be produced as the yeast metabolized the sugars in the stomach and intestines?