help with recipe amounts

[redjeep83]

Hi,
I am going to follow this recipe for my first all grain recipe, thanks to a fellow member of the site. This recipe was for a 5 gallon kettle, however I found our kettle is 7.2 gallon. Would like to have as close to 5 gallons after boiling as possible. Can someone who knows what they are doing adjust this recipe for the 7.2 gallon kettle? Thanks guys, really looking forward to our first all grain brew, been learning alot on the site

This is assuming you will use a 4.5 gal boil:
7lbs 11.5 oz Pale Malt (2 Row)
1 lb 13 oz Flaked Barley
15 oz Black Patent Malt
7.3 oz Roaster barley
.56 oz Cluster (8.10) at 60 min
.56 oz East Kent Goldings (7.20) at 20 Minutes
Irish Ale Wyeast #1084

Mash Volumes:
3.57 gal at Mash IN
Sparge with 2.40 gal

You can add Vanilla just using extract 2.25 tsp, or use the Vanilla Bean soaked in bourbon method. Both work great but note that using the Extract it will dilute/ruin the head on the beer.

 

[giraffe]

Just scale everything linearly from 3.5 to 5.5 gallons. You may need some extra sparge water. You want 6.5 gallons to the brewpot, and boil down around a gallon to 5.5 at end of boil. (which will give you 5 gallons of finished beer, due to transfer losses)

There isnt enough info, as Im assuming its a 3 gallon recipe? And there is no OG or assumed efficiency.

 

[chickypad]

Was this supposed to be for a 3.5 gal batch finished, or for a 5 gal batch where you made a concentrated wort then topped off? If you're not sure, what is the OG supposed to be (for 3.5 gal that would likely be in the 1.080 range, for 5 gal in the 1.059 range). If this is meant to be the higher gravity stout and 3.5 gal batch then you'll need to multiply the ingredients up. If it was supposed to be for 5 gal originally then you would just keep the grainbill the same and up your sparge volume to achieve your true boil volume. You will likely get better efficiency that way (one reason most folks do full volume boils with all grain). It's always a good idea to correct someone else's recipe for your expected efficiency anyway.

 

[redjeep83]

Was this supposed to be for a 3.5 gal batch finished, or for a 5 gal batch where you made a concentrated wort then topped off? If you're not sure, what is the OG supposed to be (for 3.5 gal that would likely be in the 1.080 range, for 5 gal in the 1.059 range). If this is meant to be the higher gravity stout and 3.5 gal batch then you'll need to multiply the ingredients up. If it was supposed to be for 5 gal originally then you would just keep the grainbill the same and up your sparge volume to achieve your true boil volume. You will likely get better efficiency that way (one reason most folks do full volume boils with all grain). It's always a good idea to correct someone else's recipe for your expected efficiency anyway.

Sorry, just learning this stuff. OG is suppose to be OG: 1.054. Can you give me the details with this in mind?

 

[QuercusMax]

You'll probably get pretty close with that grainbill. But since this is your first all-grain recipe and you don't know the efficiency of your system, I'd recommend throwing in an extra pound or two of your base malt (the 2-row pale malt).

 

[chickypad]

Sorry, just learning this stuff. OG is suppose to be OG: 1.054. Can you give me the details with this in mind?

Okay, then that is the full grainbill for the recipe so keep the ingredients the same and mash in 3.5-4 gal water. If batch sparging you can count on about 1.4 gal absorbed from that amount of grain, so you need to subtract that from your mash volume to calculate your first runnings. So say you want 6 gal boil, and you mash with 4 gal. First runnings will yield 4 - 1.4 = 2.6 gal. You will need to batch sparge with 3.4 gal to yield your 6 gal boil. If fly sparging it's even easier, just sparge until you hit 6 gal in the kettle.

It looks like the recipe is set for about 70% efficiency for 5 gal post boil volume, that is not an unreasonable expectation for your first batch.

 

[redjeep83]

Thanks I really appreciate it. Also, we are planning on using charred oak barrel chips soaked in jack daniels into the secondary. Do you think we should cut back on some of the black patent malt and add more pale malt to make up for it so that its not too smokey. I dont have any experience with black patent malt so not sure, I read its kinda smokey though

 

[chickypad]

Black patent isn't smokey like smoked malt (I used black patent quite a bit and I hate smoked beers). There are people who claim it can taste like charcoal in large amounts but I've never gotten that from it. To me it gives a roasted flavor but not quite like roasted barley - I would describe it as drier, and I actually find it a little smoother or less coffee like. I think in this recipe you could drop it down though to 8-10 oz.

 

[redjeep83]

Question for a first timer with all grain,
so for this recipe
This is assuming you will use a 4.5 gal boil:
7lbs 11.5 oz Pale Malt (2 Row)
1 lb 13 oz Flaked Barley
15 oz Black Patent Malt
7.3 oz Roaster barley
.56 oz Cluster (8.10) at 60 min
.56 oz East Kent Goldings (7.20) at 20 Minutes
Irish Ale Wyeast #1084


we are going to be adding all these to the mashtun?
7lbs 11.5 oz Pale Malt (2 Row)
1 lb 13 oz Flaked Barley
15 oz Black Patent Malt
7.3 oz Roaster barley


Then when we start the boil it will be

.56 oz Cluster (8.10) at 60 min, (which means the start of the boil?)

.56 oz East Kent Goldings (7.20) at 20 Minutes (which means with 20 mins left of the 60 min boil?)

Thanks guys for your help!!

 

[m00ps]

we are going to be adding all these to the mashtun?
7lbs 11.5 oz Pale Malt (2 Row)
1 lb 13 oz Flaked Barley
15 oz Black Patent Malt
7.3 oz Roaster barley

Yup, all for the entire mash

.56 oz Cluster (8.10) at 60 min, (which means the start of the boil?)

.56 oz East Kent Goldings (7.20) at 20 Minutes (which means with 20 mins left of the 60 min boil?)

Yup, 60 min is the start of the boil. 0 min is flameout. Just cut the flame off and toss them in. Itll still be plenty hot to dispel any sanitary issues at this point.

 

[m00ps]

Oh and for what its worth, I think you could get away with a full 5 gal batch maybe with your kettle. Mines 8 gal and I can easily get 5.5 final volume. You could also just use the 5gal grain bill and add more water later in the boil that evaporated off to end up with the full volume