Help with Hop Substitutions for an IPA

[noisy123]

Hi All,
I would really appreciate help with hop substitutions for the JZ Hoppiness is an IPA and general comments on the recipe.

12.75 lbs of American 2 row
0.75 lbs Munich malt
1.0 lbs Crystal (15 L)
0.25 lbs Crystal (40 L)

Horizon 13% AA, 60 min
Centennial 9% AA, 10 min
Simcoe 12% AA, 5 min
Amarillo 9% AA, 0 min

Safale US05
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First off, not to question the master but no dryhopping, WTF?
Secondly I am growing hops this year and would like to cut my costs with the two varieties I'd be growing. I am thinking of Cascades for the Centennial and Amarillo and Chinook for the Simcoe (I am growing Cascades and Chinook).
Lastly, should I dry-hop this with something or stick to the JZ recipe? Or should I throw up my hands and try another recipe entirely?

Thanks for any help.

 

[Dos_Locos_Brewery]

Your hop profile is already very different from the original ... maybe for the better, who knows. So, WTF, why not dry hop? This is a great experiment, and when you grow the hops you will have to experiment anyway, because you will not know the %AA, and the flavor/aroma characteristics of your hops will be different from commercial hops. So your idea to keep a recipe for which you're already happy with the grain bill, and substitute your hops is good.

Cheers!

 

[noisy123]

I think I'll brew it right the first time, then when I get a harvest this summer I'll take your advice and go for it.

 

[thedude123]

When you harvest are you going to do a wet hop? If so your going to need to use alot of hops because they weight alot more wet.

Also not to say anything bad about Jamil, but I wouldn't call him a master. He is very well know and he certainly knows his stuff but there is no reason you couldn't formulate a better IPA recipe then he could.

 

[noisy123]

Your hop profile is already very different from the original ... maybe for the better, who knows. So, WTF, why not dry hop? This is a great experiment, and when you grow the hops you will have to experiment anyway, because you will not know the %AA, and the flavor/aroma characteristics of your hops will be different from commercial hops. So your idea to keep a recipe for which you're already happy with the grain bill, and substitute your hops is good.

Cheers!

True enough. I have so far been happy with taking small liberties with JZ's recipes and not as happy following them verbatim.

That said, I think I am totally changing my mind. So many of the folks on this forum love Russian River beers. I hear many people whose taste is far more refined than mine put Pliny the Elder and Blind Pig up there with Stone, Bell, and Dogfish Head. So, since I cannot get it in Wisconsin, and the hop bill looks right, I am thinking of going with a Blind Pig Clone based loosely on MoreBeer and more firmly on my grain inventory. Any comment would be wildly appreciated as I am headed to the LHBS today.

From BeerTools:
Kettle Volume: 7.4 gal (SG: 1.053)
Boil Duration: 1.5 hrs
Evaporation: 1.46 gal
Volume Gain/Loss: 0.0 qt
Final Volume: 5.7 gal (SG: 1.069)
Efficiency: 75.0%
Attenuation: 78.0%


Ingredients:
1 lbs Maris Otter
12.5 lbs Pale Ale Malt
0.5 lbs Red Wheat Malt
0.5 lbs Dextrine Malt
0.5 lbs Crystal Malt 40°L
1.25 oz Chinook (13.0%) - added during boil, boiled 60 min
0.5 oz Cascade (5.5%) - added during boil, boiled 30 min
1 oz Cascade (5.5%) - added during boil, boiled 15 min
0.5 oz Amarillo (8.5%) - added during boil, boiled 0 min
0.5 oz Simcoe (13.0%) - added during boil, boiled 0 min
0.25 oz Amarillo (8.5%) - added dry to secondary fermenter
0.25 oz Simcoe (13.0%) - added dry to secondary fermenter
0.5 oz Cascade (5.5%) - added dry to secondary fermenter
1 oz Centennial (10.0%) - added dry to secondary fermenter
0.0 tsp Oak Wood Chips - added dry to secondary fermenter

Original Gravity: 1.069
Terminal Gravity: 1.015
Color: 11.5 °SRM
Alcohol: 7.04%
Bitterness: 82.05


Comments would be sweet. :rockin:

 

[thataintchicken]

1.25 oz Chinook (13.0%) - added during boil, boiled 60 min
0.5 oz Cascade (5.5%) - added during boil, boiled 30 min
1 oz Cascade (5.5%) - added during boil, boiled 15 min
0.5 oz Amarillo (8.5%) - added during boil, boiled 0 min
0.5 oz Simcoe (13.0%) - added during boil, boiled 0 min
0.25 oz Amarillo (8.5%) - added dry to secondary fermenter
0.25 oz Simcoe (13.0%) - added dry to secondary fermenter
0.5 oz Cascade (5.5%) - added dry to secondary fermenter
1 oz Centennial (10.0%) - added dry to secondary fermenter
0.0 tsp Oak Wood Chips - added dry to secondary fermenter

Comments would be sweet. :rockin:

I am a big fan of Amarillo and Cascades. I Have Chinook and Centennial on hand as well.

It looks tasty to me rool

 

[noisy123]

Aight. I'll brew it this weekend and update the thread with the results. If its any good, I'll post it to the recipe forum.

 

[noisy123]

Brewed.
Some modifications were necessary since I used precrushed grain and got a whopping 86% efficiency. The final brew turned out like this:



Blind Pig Clone:



Ingredients:
1 lbs Maris Otter
12.5 lbs Pale Ale Malt
0.5 lbs White Wheat Malt
0.5 lbs Dextrine Malt
0.5 lbs Crystal Malt 40°L
1.5 oz Chinook (11.4%) - added during boil, boiled 60 min
0.5 oz Chinook (11.4%) - added during boil, boiled 30 min
0.5 oz Cascade (6.3%) - added during boil, boiled 30 min
1 oz Cascade (6.3%) - added during boil, boiled 15 min
0.5 oz Amarillo (8.6%) - added during boil, boiled 0 min
0.5 oz Simcoe (13.0%) - added during boil, boiled 0 min
0.25 oz Amarillo (8.5%) - added dry to secondary fermenter
0.25 oz Simcoe (12.7%) - added dry to secondary fermenter
0.5 oz Cascade (6.3%) - added dry to secondary fermenter
1 oz Centennial (9.5%) - added dry to secondary fermenter
1.0 oz Oak Wood Chips - added dry to secondary fermenter
1 ea Fermentis US-05 Safale US-05

Step Mash:20 min at 122 F and 90 minutes at 150 F

Kettle Volume: 7.8 gal (SG: 1.058)
Boil Duration: 1.5 hrs
Evaporation: 2.0 gal
Volume Gain/Loss: 1.73 qt
Final Volume: 6.0 gal (SG: 1.075)
Efficiency: 86.0%
Attenuation: 75.0%
Evap/Hour: 1.33 gal

I am going to bump up to 2 packets of US-05 since this turned out to be more of an Imperial IPA than an American IPA.

 

[Aspera]

I would bitter with 1 oz of American Perle (8% AA) or Challenger (8%) and dry hop with 1 oz of Willamette. Otherwise I like the hopping schedule.

 

[noisy123]

Well, it started at 1.075 and now, 5 days later its 1.012. I pitched two packets of SafAle US05 and oxygenated like mad (I was pretty tired of 1.020 blues). The mashing schedule may have resulted in an overly attenuated wort. However, I am psyched. I will be racking to the secondary today.

 

[thedude123]

I would do a couple hop additions for the dry hop if I were you instead of throwing it all in at once. I am not sure if you had already planned on doing this

 

[noisy123]

I would do a couple hop additions for the dry hop if I were you instead of throwing it all in at once. I am not sure if you had already planned on doing this

I was planning on separate hop additions since the recipe calls for it. But I was wondering why?

 

[thedude123]

A podcast I heard By Vinnie from Russian River said that you don't get anymore hop flavor from dry hopping after 3-5 days and by doing hop additions you are adding fresh hops each time which is adding hop flavor each time.

I do 2 types of hops each addition then take out the first addition before I put in the next one.