Heads up hop heads - Mosaic (HBC 369) at freshops!

[tinytowers]

Be careful using Mosaic when dry hopping. I recently brewed an all Chinook IPA and I dry hopped one five gallon batch with Chinook and the other I used Mosaic, five days each. The Mosaic version turned out way more vegetal and stemmy tasting than the chinook. Before I threw them in the carboys, I compared the aroma side by side with Chinook and again it smelled way more grassy and much less citrusy than Chinook. Not a very bright hop, but may fair well near the end of the boil where some of that raw hop flavor can evaporate.

 

[jammin]

Complete opposite experience here.

I used 3oz of Mosaic in the hopback and 4.5 ounces in the dry hop. I'm blown away at how good this hop is. Killer nose and complex flavor. More for me I guess

 

[Silverbullet]

especially when there is no other specialty malt in play.

I believe Northern Brewer's "Dead Ringer" kit uses a pound of C40 and it's not cloying at all. Quite delicious actually.

But yes, different strokes for sure!

You nailed it. Dead ringer is one of my all time favorites and I basically was looking to use that clone and sub centennial (all DR has for hops) for mosaic to get a feel for the difference as I'm very familiar with DR.

 

[jammin]

You nailed it. Dead ringer is one of my all time favorites and I basically was looking to use that clone and sub cascade for mosaic to get a feel for the difference as I'm very familiar with DR.

DO IIITT!!

Mosaic is so tasty on it's own. Seriously cherishing every bottle of my all mosaic IPA right now. The nose on it is every bit as aromatic as Citra - and thats saying a lot in my book.

 

[sweetcell]

for those looking to try this hop: Farmhousebrewingsupply has just posted both pounds and 4 oz packets.

i wouldn't expect them to last very long.

 

[Silverbullet]

Wanted to play with recipes in beersmith and even with all of the add-ons, there is no info on Mosaic hops as a hop to add. Is my best bet just creating a hop based on the alpha/beta listed on the package? How accurate do you suppose this will end up being on the final IBU calculation within Beersmith?

 

[FATC1TY]

Wanted to play with recipes in beersmith and even with all of the add-ons, there is no info on Mosaic hops as a hop to add. Is my best bet just creating a hop based on the alpha/beta listed on the package? How accurate do you suppose this will end up being on the final IBU calculation within Beersmith?

The AA's is all you need to make it calculate.

 

[Silverbullet]

The AA's is all you need to make it calculate.

Cool, thanks for the quick response.

 

[Silverbullet]

How's this lookin'? Yes I have crystal intentionally at 8.8% I'm good with it as long as it's under 10%.....unless someone tells me I'm flat out crazy to try this.
75-90 min boil
est. 6.5%abv with my efficiency
9.5 SRM
57 IBU
.931 bitterness ratio
Amt Name %/IBU
5 lbs 8.0 oz Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) 43.7 %
5 lbs 8.0 oz Pale Malt, Maris Otter (3.0 SRM) 43.7 %
9.6 oz Caramel Malt - 60L (Briess) (60.0 SRM) 4.8 %
8.0 oz Caramel Malt - 40L (Briess) (40.0 SRM) 4.0 %
8.0 oz Carapils (Briess) (1.5 SRM) 4.0 %
0.50 oz Chinook [13.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min 21.6 IBUs
0.75 oz Mosaic [12.50 %] - Boil 20.0 min 18.9 IBUs
2.00 oz Mosaic [12.50 %] - Boil 5.0 min 16.6 IBUs
2.00 oz Mosaic [12.50 %] - Dry Hop 0.0 Days 0.0 IBUs

 

[FATC1TY]

If you like the Crystal, roll with it, but knock out the Carapils. No need for that with that much Crystal.

I'd mash very low with it as well to get it to dry out as much as possible though. Like 148-149*

 

[Silverbullet]

Thanks. Good point on the carapils, will take that out.

 

[FATC1TY]

Thanks. Good point on the carapils, will take that out.

No problem. The "crystal police" are always abound online, and while I've reeled back how much I use, I still like a fair bit of crystal in my bigger IPA's. I rarely go over 6% though.

Recipe sounds good though!

 

[E-Mursed]

Goodwill is THE place for used FoodSavers/Seal-a-Meals

Unfortunately, there is NO place for cheap/reliable bags.

This is where I get mine.
Probably the best price on the web....nice flat rate shipping too.
Use these bags for everything.

 

[thaworm69]

Curious if anyone else has used these yet? I have 1/2lb in pellets coming. Any thoughts on pairings? The guy from farmhouse said they were stinking up his whole shop! I am starting my first ever 5 gallon batch (mini mash) when i receive my hops and will have these and some citra/amarillo/simcoe/falconers flight to play with. I ordered an IPA ingredient kit but am thinking about swapping hops. (I believe it was a magnum/cluster/FF hop pack) I want my first batch to be a good one!

 

[sweetcell]

i dry-hopped 6 gal of IPA with 5 oz of mosaic pellets bought from Farmhousebrewingsupply. smell was really nice but not overpowering - could have been because they were frozen. the pellets were really hard and dense as compared to every other frozen pellet i've used. they mostly sank when added to the carboy. some eventually floated to the surface, but well over half of the total hop matter stayed at the bottom, over the yeast cake. after a day i swirled the carboy to kick up the hops and ensure better contact with the beer.

beer was flavored with simcoe, cascade and just a touch of citra (bittered with columbus, not that it matters). i would have used mosaic in the boil but i hadn't received it yet. bottling on saturday.

 

[FATC1TY]

I'm gonna wait to get some until I try a local breweries try with them.

Doing a Red Rye with ALL Mosaic in it, all the way through.

Sounds promising though.

 

[AventinusCam]

I had these in Russian River's Happy Hops. Tremendous beer. I am making a blondeish ale with Mosaics I got from freshops (in conjunction with a little Columbus) to try and get a taste for it again. Excitement level is high.

 

[ddrrseio]

i'm really curious about mosaic and would love to try it... but at $29.60 a pound the price is scaring me.

if i were to get 5 oz, the amount i typically use in a SMaSH, it's $9.25 + $6.30 shipping = $15.55. dat sh*t cray.

a lot of these patented hops are quite expensive, so what i'm doing is a bunch of single hop, single gallon IPAs. 1oz is enough for a .75gal batch at 50 IBU + dry hops. it does require quite a few pots, burners and former apple juice jugs, but it makes for a lot of fun and variety.

 

[bellmtbbq]

Picked up an ounce of Mosaic today at Rebel. Thinking of just doing a normal one gallon SMaSH with it, maybe a little carapils also.

Even more excited to try Pacific Jade (NZ) though.

 

[joetothemo]

OK. Final verdict on this thing is...

Loads of Melon and Berries. My IPA tastes like a Snapple IPA.

I was getting a lot more complexity in the fermenter. But after 6 weeks from grain to glass, the melonberry fruitiness is taking charge.

I may chill on these hops until summer and brew some lighter fare with them. Or possibly pair them with a more aggressive hop to get some complexity.

But yeah... Snapple Kiwi-Mellon-Berry IPA is my overall impression.

 

[Silverbullet]

I finally got around to brewing this mosaic ipa. Anyone else notice a ridiculous amount of stems in these hops from fresh hops? I wouldn't be surprised if there was an oz. of stems/sticks or more in an 8oz bag. I picked out several of the larger sticks but still ended up with several in the boil. I'm sure it will be fine but.....

 

[starman]

I finally got around to brewing this mosaic ipa. Anyone else notice a ridiculous amount of stems in these hops from fresh hops? I wouldn't be surprised if there was an oz. of stems/sticks or more in an 8oz bag. I picked out several of the larger sticks but still ended up with several in the boil. I'm sure it will be fine but.....

I had 3-4 stems like these in a pound, no seeds. The total weight wasn't more than a 1/4 oz though.

 

[joetothemo]

Wow. I did not get any "free rhizomes" in my bag like you guys did. That's crazy.

 

[Mr_Pear]

Went to the brew shop on Monday and saw they had some in stock so I picked up 8oz. After reading through here I'm excited! I've been wanting to brew a 100% brett beer and these hops maybe the melon fruity goodness I'm looking for.

 

[jfrank85]

Doing a pale using this hop exclusively, I'll post the results.

 

[bellmtbbq]

Picked up an ounce at Rebel, might pick up another along with some Sauvin. Maybe a pale ale with the combo? Hmmm

 

[bellmtbbq]

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[HanzerBiscuit]

Could this be used in a wheat for the mellon / fruit character? and what kind of hop schedule?

 

[Montanaandy]

OK. Final verdict on this thing is...

Loads of Melon and Berries. My IPA tastes like a Snapple IPA.

I was getting a lot more complexity in the fermenter. But after 6 weeks from grain to glass, the melonberry fruitiness is taking charge.

I may chill on these hops until summer and brew some lighter fare with them. Or possibly pair them with a more aggressive hop to get some complexity.

But yeah... Snapple Kiwi-Mellon-Berry IPA is my overall impression.

I want to brew a pilot batch incorporating Mosaic but I was interested as to your hop schedule using Mosaic. Did you use them much for bittering or did you limit them to aroma at the end? They are listed as an aroma hop so I wasn't certain what you used for bittering. While I enjoy some fruit in an IPA I don't want to brew a "Snapple" as you described it. Very interesting that the fruit enhanced. Agree that there is a need for another bittering hop - just not certain which one. Curious as to what hops RR uses in their beer incorporating Mosaic.

 

[gbarron]

Following up as I promised in December.

I dry hopped a double IPA with 1.5 ounces each of Simcoe and Mosaic. I also had a few ounces of Amarillo at flameout. So the aroma on this is fairly complex. However I am getting a good bit of tropical fruit, Jolly Rancher, pineapple, stone fruit in the aroma which I am attributing to the Mosaic given the other varieties I used.

As others have stated, I think this will be a good hop to use in combination with others like Simcoe, Citra, Cascade, etc. Terrapin Brewing in Athens, Ga, is releasing an all-Mosaic rye ale sometime soon which should be interesting.