Glyphosate Free Beer / Grains

[shane_painter]

It seems that Roundup (Glyphosate) is now being found in virtually everything - from breakfast cereal to 99% of German males' urine.

As a designated class 2A Carcinogen this is concerning.

Of particular concern, is the fact that our beloved barley is one of the crops that routinely undergo the practice of 'desiccation' - which greatly increases the amount of glyphosate passed on to the consumer.

With this in mind - my question is this: Does anyone here know where one might find 'Glyphosate Free' malts? Or at least malts derived from grains which have not been 'dessicated' during production?

Cheers,
-Shane

 

[Aristotelian]

It seems that Roundup (Glyphosate) is now being found in virtually everything - from breakfast cereal to 99% of German males' urine.

As a designated class 2A Carcinogen this is concerning.

Of particular concern, is the fact that our beloved barley is one of the crops that routinely undergo the practice of 'desiccation' - which greatly increases the amount of glyphosate passed on to the consumer.

With this in mind - my question is this: Does anyone here know where one might find 'Glyphosate Free' malts? Or at least malts derived from grains which have not been 'dessicated' during production?

Cheers,
-Shane

I believe most of the big online vendors have organic 2-row. Not sure about specialty grains.

This is the only all organic vendor that I know if.
https://www.breworganic.com/

 

[KSch]

I don't know if round up (trade name) is used to kill barley, it is not labled for that and the pre harvest window is too great for that. I farm but don't raise any small grains, but I don't think that barley and wheat come in a roundup ready do to trying to export wheat and the barley market is too small for the investment.

 

[bob1852]

Red meat and hot coffee are 2A carcinogens also...

 

[shane_painter]

Check this out: http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/al...found-contaminated-with-glyphosate-herbicide/

From the article: "There are two reasons that a farmer wants to [use glyphosate on non-GMO crops]. It is for late season weed control in situations where he has patches of green weeds in the field that came up late. [This is commonly done with wheat and barley.] It is a little slower to harvest when weeds are present.

The other reason involves late season snow. In the northern region such as in the Dakotas, in certain parts of Montana, and in the Prairies of Canada, there is a very short growing season. If it snows on the crop at harvest then you may lose the crop, because you can’t get back into the field to do the harvest.

In these regions, 70% of the wheat and barley are desiccated with glyphosate before harvest. [This kills the plant so that it will wilt and dry]. Farmers don’t want to take a risk in losing their entire wheat and barley crop, so they will take a cut in yield and quality by using glyphosate a few weeks before harvest, and then harvest the crop early.

Farmers don’t realize how much they are contaminating that food or feed product when they do this. They will accept the cut [in quality and quantity of the crop], because that can buy them a week advantage in harvest. It’s really more done for ease and planning. However, it is just the dumbest thing you could ever do from a health and safety standpoint.

In fact, beer brewers are having a problem with glyphosate. A few years ago, when one of my colleagues wanted to get more Abraxis test strips for testing materials for glyphosate residue, he was told that they had a 3 month backlog. He asked, what was causing this? He was told that every load of malt barley coming out of North Dakota has to be tested, because the glyphosate levels were so high that it kills the yeast in the brew mix."

 

[shortyz]

isnt the alcohol from the beer we make considered more dangerous then glyphosate?

 

[flars]

Check this out: http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/al...found-contaminated-with-glyphosate-herbicide/

From the article: "There are two reasons that a farmer wants to [use glyphosate on non-GMO crops]. It is for late season weed control in situations where he has patches of green weeds in the field that came up late. [This is commonly done with wheat and barley.] It is a little slower to harvest when weeds are present.

The other reason involves late season snow. In the northern region such as in the Dakotas, in certain parts of Montana, and in the Prairies of Canada, there is a very short growing season. If it snows on the crop at harvest then you may lose the crop, because you can’t get back into the field to do the harvest.

In these regions, 70% of the wheat and barley are desiccated with glyphosate before harvest. [This kills the plant so that it will wilt and dry]. Farmers don’t want to take a risk in losing their entire wheat and barley crop, so they will take a cut in yield and quality by using glyphosate a few weeks before harvest, and then harvest the crop early.

Farmers don’t realize how much they are contaminating that food or feed product when they do this. They will accept the cut [in quality and quantity of the crop], because that can buy them a week advantage in harvest. It’s really more done for ease and planning. However, it is just the dumbest thing you could ever do from a health and safety standpoint.

In fact, beer brewers are having a problem with glyphosate. A few years ago, when one of my colleagues wanted to get more Abraxis test strips for testing materials for glyphosate residue, he was told that they had a 3 month backlog. He asked, what was causing this? He was told that every load of malt barley coming out of North Dakota has to be tested, because the glyphosate levels were so high that it kills the yeast in the brew mix."

Tropical Traditions glyphosate scare seems to be more of a promotion for all their products than real science. Do you have any other source than Tropical Traditions to confirm their science?

 

[drksky]

I'm not sure there are many that understand just how non-toxic glyphosate is to non-plants:
http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles/extoxnet/dienochlor-glyphosate/glyphosate-ext.html

 

[telebrewer]

It seems that Roundup (Glyphosate) is now being found in virtually everything - from breakfast cereal to 99% of German males' urine.

As a designated class 2A Carcinogen this is concerning.

Of particular concern, is the fact that our beloved barley is one of the crops that routinely undergo the practice of 'desiccation' - which greatly increases the amount of glyphosate passed on to the consumer.

With this in mind - my question is this: Does anyone here know where one might find 'Glyphosate Free' malts? Or at least malts derived from grains which have not been 'dessicated' during production?

Cheers,
-Shane

I special order organic grain for that reason. Vote with your dollar. Don't buy that crap and they will have to change their methods.

Organic grain is Roundup free.

 

[telebrewer]

Check this out: http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/al...found-contaminated-with-glyphosate-herbicide/

From the article: "There are two reasons that a farmer wants to [use glyphosate on non-GMO crops]. It is for late season weed control in situations where he has patches of green weeds in the field that came up late. [This is commonly done with wheat and barley.] It is a little slower to harvest when weeds are present.

The other reason involves late season snow. In the northern region such as in the Dakotas, in certain parts of Montana, and in the Prairies of Canada, there is a very short growing season. If it snows on the crop at harvest then you may lose the crop, because you can’t get back into the field to do the harvest.

In these regions, 70% of the wheat and barley are desiccated with glyphosate before harvest. [This kills the plant so that it will wilt and dry]. Farmers don’t want to take a risk in losing their entire wheat and barley crop, so they will take a cut in yield and quality by using glyphosate a few weeks before harvest, and then harvest the crop early.

Farmers don’t realize how much they are contaminating that food or feed product when they do this. They will accept the cut [in quality and quantity of the crop], because that can buy them a week advantage in harvest. It’s really more done for ease and planning. However, it is just the dumbest thing you could ever do from a health and safety standpoint.

In fact, beer brewers are having a problem with glyphosate. A few years ago, when one of my colleagues wanted to get more Abraxis test strips for testing materials for glyphosate residue, he was told that they had a 3 month backlog. He asked, what was causing this? He was told that every load of malt barley coming out of North Dakota has to be tested, because the glyphosate levels were so high that it kills the yeast in the brew mix."

Wow! I'm going organic on all grain. Thanks for that...

 

[agrazela]

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[Murphys_Law]

I'm going all organic because damnit, when I die I want it to be from an alcohol related disease and not some damn chemical.

 

[November]

They probably use Dihydrogen Monoxide, too.

 

[divrguy]

Troll thread

 

[madscientist451]

Organic grain is Roundup free.

Maybe, but maybe not....
This from an article mentioned earlier:
Next, Tropical Traditions tested the USDA certified organic grains from suppliers they had been using, sourced mainly from western states such as Montana and Idaho. Sadly, the presence of glyphosate residue was found in organic wheat and other organic grains, including organic barley, oats, spelt, and einkorn. The range was from 0.03 to 0.06 mg/kg, just slightly lower than the conventional grains that were tested.

Here's the whole article:
http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/al...found-contaminated-with-glyphosate-herbicide/

 

[cshamilton]

Fyi - barley and wheat used for malting is not supposed to be desiccated with roundup.

The amount of Glyphosate that remains on cereal grain hasn't been shown to have detrimental health effects, but it's possible very large amounts might.

The reason it is not used for malt though is that the roundup kills the grain and can hinder the malting process since the chemical could kill the the sprouting grain. The 'malt' produced would end up with no/low diastatic power.

 

[telebrewer]

Maybe, but maybe not....
This from an article mentioned earlier:
Next, Tropical Traditions tested the USDA certified organic grains from suppliers they had been using, sourced mainly from western states such as Montana and Idaho. Sadly, the presence of glyphosate residue was found in organic wheat and other organic grains, including organic barley, oats, spelt, and einkorn. The range was from 0.03 to 0.06 mg/kg, just slightly lower than the conventional grains that were tested.

Here's the whole article:
http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/al...found-contaminated-with-glyphosate-herbicide/

Well that's completely f'ed up. Thanks Monsanto for cross contaminating everything.......

 

[shane_painter]

"My name is Richard Simpson, from Simpsons Malt. Apologies for not getting back sooner, but we didn't pick up your post as quickly as we would have a message. I have put your question forward to our resident experts and will get an answer to you ASAP. I do know that our raw materials are fully traceable and that we will not take anything other that fully certified barley that has been grown and harvested correctly, legally and in line with the best available practices and recommendations. Best Regards, and thanks for contacting Simpsons Malt, Richard.
OCT 14TH, 9:03PM

You accepted Richard's request.
Thank you Richard. I appreciate your follow up. Please let me know if I can assist or clarify. Have a great weekend!
WED 9:40AM

I can confirm that in line with industry guidance, farmers growers for Simpsons Malt may use Glyphosate only if used responsibly and in line with manufacturer recommendations. Simpsons Malt and its merchanting division, MSP, call for accurate logging of all inputs which are reviewed by our qualified agronomists.

We understand that the 18 month licence issued by the European Health Commissioner in June 2016 will give the industry a period of time to prove scientifically that the product is safe to use, or not. Simpsons Malt will monitor the outcome of this investigation carefully and make any changes to our guidelines should this be required.

Any questions please get back to me

\Basically - we follow the European guidelines/rules and therefore the UK ones."

 

[telebrewer]

I really like the fact that this is being discussed. There should be a Glyphosate free option. I would opt to buy it everytime. Believe it or not, there is a growing movement away from chemical/ pesticide growing for our food supply. It has been linked to the spike in illnesses like Celiac disease, which my wife has. Call me a nut, but I am fully behind the movement.

 

[Denny]

The dose makes the poison

 

[drksky]

It has been linked to the spike in illnesses like Celiac disease.

By whom? Citation?

 

[Denny]

I really like the fact that this is being discussed. There should be a Glyphosate free option. I would opt to buy it everytime. Believe it or not, there is a growing movement away from chemical/ pesticide growing for our food supply. It has been linked to the spike in illnesses like Celiac disease, which my wife has. Call me a nut, but I am fully behind the movement.

I'm sorry but that's just not true.

 

[nDub]

They probably use Dihydrogen Monoxide, too.

Its crazy how that stuff shows up in everything. I heard that if you stick your head in a bucket of that it'll kill you... eventually.

 

[acidrain]

I'm not sure there are many that understand just how non-toxic glyphosate is to non-plants:
http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles/extoxnet/dienochlor-glyphosate/glyphosate-ext.html

Thanks for the link... I'm going to print out and show it to my neighbor next time she has a **** fit over me using roundup on my driveway.

 

[telebrewer]

I'm sorry but that's just not true.

Denny, re-read the original post and watch the documentary " What's with wheat". Google it. At least watch the movie trailer.

Why would you say, "that's just not true". Please explain.

drksky, please watch too. Become informed...

Everyone should watch it.

 

[cshamilton]

https://gmoanswers.com/studies/ultimate-gluten-free-does-glyphosate-cause-celiac-disease-actually-no

 

[Littletimmy]

My first response is a true first world problem, but then again everyone needs to assess their own personal risk level. Parts per million/billion of a possible/probable human carcinogen versus a drunk behind the wheel....We ARE talking about alcohol, a KNOWN health risk, when used in excess.

Worked for several years as a pesticide specialist while in grad school. Read way too many pseudo-scientific studies with a bias advancing an agenda. That includes environmental groups AND industry groups! Life is too short, RDWHAHB...

 

[telebrewer]

https://gmoanswers.com/studies/ultimate-gluten-free-does-glyphosate-cause-celiac-disease-actually-no

Propaganda from a pro GMO website, several years old.

Just keep believing the poisons they spray on our foods aren't harmful.

I'm done.

 

[Bobbybob]

Denny, re-read the original post and watch the documentary " What's with wheat". Google it. At least watch the movie trailer.

Why would you say, "that's just not true". Please explain.

drksky, please watch too. Become informed...

Everyone should watch it.

I think the part he was responding to was the ceilac spike. I would call bull on that too. Part of the "ceilac" spike is it simply being popular to be gluten free. The problem with that is if you stop eating gluten long enough you body stops producing the enzyme to break it down making you gluten intolerant. Many of the people on this site are very smart, don't assume they are ignorant just because their viewpoint differs.

My mother-in-law is a claims manager, and has had to authorize payment on a couple dozen claims involving roundup.

 

[Bobbybob]

Propaganda from a pro GMO website, several years old.

Just keep believing the poisons they spray on our foods aren't harmful.

I'm done.

Having just looked into this a little further, you do realize you are making a argument for no pesticides on grain with a movie that is a blatant copy of the "Wheat belly" diet? The website even sells "no wheat for six weeks" versions of the movie for $97.