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jindragon87

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Hello, this is my first post! I have been brewing Kombucha in Korea for the past 6 months and have been fairly successful with variety of flavors.

I usually make ginger ales and apple cider. For me, setting to 12.5% ~14.0% Brix Scale(130~140g of total sugar content per 1L bottle) is the good amount of sugar to flavor and carbonate. How about you guys?

Kombucha seems fairly volatile, a few hours of open air can easily change the sweet tart drink to vinegary flavor but that is what makes kombucha unique.

How do you create a creamy foam in kombucha, like those lager beers?
I want kombucha to foam to tone down the vinegary flavor.
 
Hello, this is my first post! I have been brewing Kombucha in Korea for the past 6 months and have been fairly successful with variety of flavors.

I usually make ginger ales and apple cider. For me, setting to 12.5% ~14.0% Brix Scale(130~140g of total sugar content per 1L bottle) is the good amount of sugar to flavor and carbonate. How about you guys?

Kombucha seems fairly volatile, a few hours of open air can easily change the sweet tart drink to vinegary flavor but that is what makes kombucha unique.

How do you create a creamy foam in kombucha, like those lager beers?
I want kombucha to foam to tone down the vinegary flavor.

First, don't let the Kombucha ferment to the tart/vinegar stage! You can stop it just before it arrives at that taste and then filter it into a larger container and add your flavourings. Then at that point I add 2 or 3 TBL of sugar and bottle immediately. After 2 days at room temp check a bottle to see how much carbonation you have. I've found that 2 TBL of sugar and 3 days = good carbonation and a modest head. Refrigerate immediately.

Also, I do monitor the sg and at about 1.035 to 1.030 it is just on the verge of sour. Now these sg readings may not be ideal for you as I ferment 25 litre batches in my wine fermenter.

Paul
 
Also, I do monitor the sg and at about 1.035 to 1.030 it is just on the verge of sour. Now these sg readings may not be ideal for you as I ferment 25 litre batches in my wine fermenter.

Paul

Hey! Just thought I would mention that if you are trying to avoid tartness that is vinegary, you should simply try to reduce the amount of oxygen available to your kombucha. Treat it like beer! O2 = good in the beginning, bad in the end. Siphon or use a fill tube to fill your bottles. Purge your bottles with co2! Vinegary taste is produced by acetobacter, which thrive in most kombucha cultures due to the open air nature of the ferment. MOST acetobacter need oxygen to produce acetic acid. A good thick scoby prohibits too much oxygen from getting into the primary ferment and turning it into vinegar. After that, it is up to you to prevent o2 from getting in there! Also, if you have been fermenting at too low of a temperature, you could be lacking a healthy yeast colony in your culture. Acetobacter like lower (sub 70 F) temperatures. If your yeast arent healthy enough to take off during the first couple days of fermentation, lactic acid bacteria (labs) and acetobacter can drop the PH and produce an environment that yeast do not want to ferment in. If you do have a good yeast presence in your culture, they will consume most of the initial o2 in your brew that gets there from pouring into an o2 rich container or cooling with non boiled water. AFter that, the scoby will minimize dissolved oxygen as the brew continues. The scoby is the kombucha's barrier to oxygen, allowing an anaerobic and non vinegary ferment to happen.

Ensure warm temperature ferments (use a seedling heating mat this time of year - 80 degrees is not a bad thing for kombucha)

Minimize your dissolved oxygen! o2 rich ferments that are cold or lacking good healthy yeast colonies will produce vinegar booch due to acetobacter.

edited to add:

been drinking. basically i'm trying to say that specific gravity really has no relation to how sour/vinegary your kombucha is. Sourness has to do with acidity, which does not necessitate much of a gravity drop. It is going to have much more relation to each individual's kombucha culture (call it the scoby if you want but thats really a backup source of yeast and bacteria, the scoby is really a bi-product of a healthy colony of yeast and bacteria that comes from the "starter tea" you move from batch to batch and is the culture's effort to block oxygen from ****ing up its anaerobic fermentation by producing a barrier to o2), how healthy the yeast is in that culture, what PH the yeast in that culture can handle, and how much o2 is dissolving into the solution. specific gravity testing is no bueno for determining how sour something is. You should titrate acidity to know the acid content of a beverage.
 
Hey! Just thought I would mention that if you are trying to avoid tartness that is vinegary, you should simply try to reduce the amount of oxygen available to your kombucha. Treat it like beer! O2 = good in the beginning, bad in the end. Siphon or use a fill tube to fill your bottles. Purge your bottles with co2! Vinegary taste is produced by acetobacter, which thrive in most kombucha cultures due to the open air nature of the ferment. MOST acetobacter need oxygen to produce acetic acid. A good thick scoby prohibits too much oxygen from getting into the primary ferment and turning it into vinegar. After that, it is up to you to prevent o2 from getting in there! Also, if you have been fermenting at too low of a temperature, you could be lacking a healthy yeast colony in your culture. Acetobacter like lower (sub 70 F) temperatures. If your yeast arent healthy enough to take off during the first couple days of fermentation, lactic acid bacteria (labs) and acetobacter can drop the PH and produce an environment that yeast do not want to ferment in. If you do have a good yeast presence in your culture, they will consume most of the initial o2 in your brew that gets there from pouring into an o2 rich container or cooling with non boiled water. AFter that, the scoby will minimize dissolved oxygen as the brew continues. The scoby is the kombucha's barrier to oxygen, allowing an anaerobic and non vinegary ferment to happen.

Ensure warm temperature ferments (use a seedling heating mat this time of year - 80 degrees is not a bad thing for kombucha)

Minimize your dissolved oxygen! o2 rich ferments that are cold or lacking good healthy yeast colonies will produce vinegar booch due to acetobacter.

edited to add:

been drinking. basically i'm trying to say that specific gravity really has no relation to how sour/vinegary your kombucha is. Sourness has to do with acidity, which does not necessitate much of a gravity drop. It is going to have much more relation to each individual's kombucha culture (call it the scoby if you want but thats really a backup source of yeast and bacteria, the scoby is really a bi-product of a healthy colony of yeast and bacteria that comes from the "starter tea" you move from batch to batch and is the culture's effort to block oxygen from ****ing up its anaerobic fermentation by producing a barrier to o2), how healthy the yeast is in that culture, what PH the yeast in that culture can handle, and how much o2 is dissolving into the solution. specific gravity testing is no bueno for determining how sour something is. You should titrate acidity to know the acid content of a beverage.

Wow! Great read! Thanks for the time answering my concerns.

I lot to digest (shall I say ferment on). A lot of what you said is close to what I already do but I need to rethink my process a bit after reading your thoughtful response.

> I do ferment at higher temps (about 76-80F) using a heating pad under the fermenter.

> I do limit the O2 to the brew after the 3rd day (tight lid + air lock) but not sure if this is good or not. Not quite sure yet how to manage this.

> I don't rely on the SG reading to determine the pull point (I use taste alone for that) but the SG does give me an early warning as to the volume of sugar remaining in the brew. BTW, my calculations show that < 2% ABV is generated. Does this seem correct?

My Scoby farm does not (yet) cover the whole surface area BUT it is growing each cycle and it's almost completely covered as of this morning. So after this cycle I may be in a better position to ferment closer to the usual (traditional) practice.


Paul
 

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