Flip Top Glass Bottles

[An Ankoù]

They seem very expensive to me. Don't recall ever seeing silicone seals over here, where we use a lot of swing tops. Here's an example. Don't know if they ship to the states.

https://lajocondienne.com/fr/12-cave?page=12

 

[An Ankoù]

Kegland are creating a problem that didn't exist and then offering you, the customer, an expensive solution.
True. Silicone rubber is many, many times more permeable than butyl rubber.
BUT.
The joint is extremely small, perhaps less than a millimetre of highly compressed rubber and the thickness of the rubber that gases have to permeate is the width of the bottle lip, which is several millimetres, ie, a thick slice of rubber.
We're not comparing the permeability of rubber gloves or contact lenses here, but something relatively tiny and thick relative to its size.
In short, there's not a problem.

 

[DuncB]

I see your point, but the Belgian beer bottles I collect are corked and the rounded top means they won't take a crown cork. So I either cork and cage them or, usually, I fit a collar to take the flip-top closure. A lot of beer cimes in these bottles and they're too good to throw away, I've got a couple of hundred.

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You need a bench capper and then crowns all round.

 

[An Ankoù]

You need a bench capper and then crowns all round.

No, that won't work. Unlike a Champagne bottle which is crown-capped before being disgorged and corked, a beer bottle doesn't have the flange to take a crown.

 

[DuncB]

That picture shows more detail and I see the issue.

They are only good for " bottling ".

Raid some other frenchmans bins for better bottles.

 

[KegLand]

Kegland are creating a problem that didn't exist and then offering you, the customer, an expensive solution.
True. Silicone rubber is many, many times more permeable than butyl rubber.
BUT.
The joint is extremely small, perhaps less than a millimetre of highly compressed rubber and the thickness of the rubber that gases have to permeate is the width of the bottle lip, which is several millimetres, ie, a thick slice of rubber.
We're not comparing the permeability of rubber gloves or contact lenses here, but something relatively tiny and thick relative to its size.
In short, there's not a problem.

I really have to disagree and it's a massive issue for oxygen sensitive beers.

Dark beerks like stouts or porters will probably not notice if they become oxidised but lagers, NEIPA, IPA or other hoppy beers will degrade really fast.

Silicone has more than an order of magnidue higher oxygen transmisison rate than other rubbers such as EPDM, Butyl rubber and other natural rubbers too. We have been trying to educate brewers about the difference and did independent lab testing for this reason too but many customers still don't believe it:


Also plenty of these swing top bottles use silicon seals but it's often not stipulated on the packaging so it's difficult to know what you are purchasing so I wish there was more education so customers would know the difference. I would encorage you to do side by side tests yourself (just like we have) and put a lager or pils into a bottle and have one with silicone and one with butyl rubber or LOW2 seals and I will be very surprised if you dont notice a sigificant difference after 6 months.

 

[An Ankoù]

That picture shows more detail and I see the issue.

They are only good for " bottling ".

Raid some other frenchmans bins for better bottles.

No, no, no, Duncan. They're wonderful bottles. I use a collar, as shiwn in post #15 above, which takes the flip-top mechanism. Or, if I'm bottling something really special, I'll use a cork and cage.
Corking beer and cider is common especially in the north of France and Belgium. It's not a wine ckrk and it's not a (mushroom-shaped) champagne cork. It's a special, composite beer cork, designed for the bottle. I've used these corks over and over, and the cages until the wires break. I've never had a beer go off. But then I throw away anything that's been used with a lambic or a gueuze or a saison.
The bottles are very strong, too.

 

[Dickerson]

no they wont punch through. however not all flip tops are the same. the amazon ones especially tend to be too weak around the gasket to hold pressure. as well as the ones you find at dollar stores.

many are meant for liquers or hot sauce or oils etc, not pressurized liquids. (dont ask me how i know this - i learned the hard way )

post a link and likely we will be able to tell if they are decent for beer/cider.


lastly have a look at these :
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they turn any glass pop bottle into a swingtop/
i have got them cheap on amazon but i cant find the link

I bought these for champagne bottles I had saved. Bottle is not going to explode. Very hard to attach. I had to get some longer screws. Here is link:

https://www.amazon.com/Ferroday-Swi...refix=flip+top+bottle+cap,aps,208&sr=8-6&th=1

 

[DuncB]

@An Ankoù
I can see the versatility now for those bottles.
Think I remember the plastic bottle cork thing.
I enjoy those ciders with my french lunches.

 

[Andyandroid]

I saved all my Grolsch bottles over the years; they are great!

 

[Virwill7]

yeah but its grolsch (lol)

this stuff otoh rocks:
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Been using these for several years. Good quality.

 

[hungupdown]

ALDI & Lidl are both here. The lemonade is sold under the ALDI brand name, but a little poking around on the interwebs and one person reports that the markings on the bottle indicate that it is indeed made by Lorina. Evidently, Lorina bottles this for ALDI to sell under their store brand. My wife and I both enjoyed it, and will likely pick up some more soon.View attachment 877389

Sadly, near me (in Scotland). Lidl haven't done lemonade, and Aldi havent done "3 grain" (wheat) beer, in flip tops. For over a year now.
Shame, as the bottles are excellent. And I suspect the vast majority, just went to glass recycling.