Honestly, I was pissed off at first. I have moved on. I have accepted that Greed is causing my favorite sport to go away. Its sad that we as fans have absolutely no control over the situation. I mean seriously, lockouts solve everything. Lost revenue....i mean who really wants to make money these days anyway? Without us fans, there is no sport. Both sides seem to forget that.
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Meh. NHLPA is trying to get screwed as little as possible. For a "few percentage points" could be applied to the owners as well as the players.
I think they are closer than Buttman is letting on. No, he didn't have the players roll over and sign his contract, and I very much doubt he expected them to. His statements are all about how badly the players are negotiating, and the reality is that there has been NO offer that did not take something away from the players. This whole business is about cutting their salaries so the team owners can piss their money away as usual.
Trust me, there will be teams losing money no matter what. Markets that can't support a team, or owners who can't spend wisely. It's just the way they are.
I think they are closer than Buttman is letting on. No, he didn't have the players roll over and sign his contract, and I very much doubt he expected them to. His statements are all about how badly the players are negotiating, and the reality is that there has been NO offer that did not take something away from the players. This whole business is about cutting their salaries so the team owners can piss their money away as usual.
Trust me, there will be teams losing money no matter what. Markets that can't support a team, or owners who can't spend wisely. It's just the way they are.
I thought that the league's latest offer included little, if any real "roll back" in salary? Mind you, I didn't read every single letter of the offer. Whatever, it's balls any way you cut it. **** taking sides really, this $hit's serious. I like watching NHL games.
paulster2626
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The NHL's latest offer had concessions from the players on everything, and no real incentive for them to use it to bargain with. But they're still going to lose this battle.
I do think they're closer than we think though. There's a deal to be had, and there's still time to get it done. If this goes past the Oct 25 deadline though, then I'm going to really worry. But eventually it'll get fixed. I would LOVE to see empty arenas in the 'iffy' markets afterwards though - this would all but guarantee this crap doesn't happen again.
dudius
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I think part of the problem is the principle that the players playing games are the reason for all hockey related revenues. People don't go to games because they want to pay 7 dollars for a bottle of Bud Lite. To try and push them from 57% of hockey related revenues to below half is atrocious. It's a big screw-you. Imagine if your job was the sole reason your company had any revenue and if you left they'd fail, and they say "Hey, we're getting a lot of growth but we'd like you to take not only a cut in pay but a cut in how much you can ever make compared to total revenue". I know I'd be outraged. I mean I know there are two sides to every coin and the point of negotiation is so that the two sides can agree on something. But the owners are playing serious hardball.
Personally I wish there would be empty rinks due to this. I know it'd be painful to the players and they'd rather play and get screwed than not play at all. But the lockouts in pro sports are awful and I'd really like to see an end to it.
Goofynewfie
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Staight and to the point. The nhlpa lost a lot of support in the past couple days. This guy makes sense
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/335159
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/335159
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Kind of a meandering article.
dudius
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To me it seemed like a blog post by someone who doesn't exactly believe in capitalism. Personally, I think it's stupid to complain about how a hockey player can make so much. If he is "deemed worthy", he'll be paid that much. And if he doesn't really bring that much value to the team, then he got off easy and the team owner got the short end of the stick. Rather than trying to say "pay him less and pay others more", it should be "pay people what they'll take and if they won't take it don't pay it and if they want to go elsewhere they can". The reason the "free market" isn't working is because it isn't a really free market.
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That guy's a commie. And probably hypocritical. I doubt he take a smaller salary than he could have and gives the proceeds to other suckier writers.
The owners own the businesses and take the risks. They should be able to pay whatever, or as little, salary they can get someone to accept. But they signed those guys to contracts, no matter how ridiculous, and they should have to honor them. I work on contract, and if my boss one day said forget the contract, you actually get 24% less than we agreed to, I would find a new job as soon as I could.
It is free and the players are doing just that right now...players aren't getting their contracts and what they want, so a lockout is in place, and guess what...some of the players are playing in other leagues around the world, making more than lockout pay.
dudius
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But as it has been stated before, teams have made contracts with players and the league is basically trying to say "break those contracts because they'll be above pay cap". And other offers from the owners offered to keep all contracts but then when the contracts expired new ones would need to fall under the pay cap.
My whole issue with it is this: If business is growing, why should the people who the league absolutely relies on be taking pay cuts? I mean, can't they at least work something out where the players take a certain percentage of NHL revenue that keeps them from going down in pay due to caps but keeps them from gaining as quickly as they have been? To me that seems like the logical middle ground.
DangerRoss
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We are talking about the NHL and the NHLPA here. They are not logical.
paulster2626
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Since every contract signed by a player says that it is subject to increase/decrease based on the current CBA, this constant spewing of "full contract value" makes no sense.
Don't want you salary to change? Don't sign a contract longer than the current CBA that says it can change based on new economic rules.
Greedy idiots vs greedy smart businessmen. Who's gonna win?
Don't want you salary to change? Don't sign a contract longer than the current CBA that says it can change based on new economic rules.
Greedy idiots vs greedy smart businessmen. Who's gonna win?
arturo7
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bring on the scabs
dudius
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What to do without hockey
Anyone wanna come to my place and we can learn how to make meth?
solbes
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I'm going to more Duluth college games, simple as that. Just diverts my hockey dollars to an equally entertaining game.
I fail to see the logic in any of this CBA nonsense. Many players are going to end up with less money in their pockets than if they had been reasonable and came to the table with actual counter offers. I can see how it might not be completely fair to the players, but the owners hold most of the leverage here. In the end, the league will move farther to the back of the pack of big 4 professional sports.
I fail to see the logic in any of this CBA nonsense. Many players are going to end up with less money in their pockets than if they had been reasonable and came to the table with actual counter offers. I can see how it might not be completely fair to the players, but the owners hold most of the leverage here. In the end, the league will move farther to the back of the pack of big 4 professional sports.
arturo7
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I wish that was an alternative here, but the Long Beach Ice Dogs left long ago...
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Done with the NHL for good.
dudius
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MeatyPortion said:
Does that mean you'll come over and we can learn to make Meth?
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Sure, why not
Ok, we'll make sure to remind you of that when they start playing again (maybe next season...)
Got plans to go see the Bulldogs vs Alaska this Friday. Need to buy tickets before my wife can change the plans.
Just as exciting, but they don't sell beer there.
I am going to the Griffins on the 9th. Cheap crappy beer and crappy hot dogs for even more fun.
I tried convincing the wife to go to the Griffins on Friday. We could have stopped there on the way down to her mom's house to stay the night then a 15 minutes drive to the kid's dorm for the football game on Sat.
Ken and Mickey will be calling the game on Friday, and FSD will be showing the game.
Griffins are just about as cheap as Ferris tickets and they have the beer and everything. It's actually a HELL of a deal over NHL prices.
dudius
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I might have to skip work on a Friday night for a FSU game. I normally can only make weekend games but my friends all say that a packed rink on a Friday make for a funner experience.
I'm also considering a couple of Griffins games, as you said tickets are rather inexpensive.
I got seats for me and two kids a few rows behind the bench for like $11 two years ago. They were having a special. It's $18 for VIP edge seats. (Edge of the upper bowl.) $1 dogs, $1 beer this Friday.
arturo7
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MeatyPortion said:
I'm standing at the precipice...
