Equally Obnoxious Hockey Trash Talk Thread, eh?

[arturo7]

...i hope these worst-division-in-the-league, barely-eeked-out-0.500-regular-season-record,

You're not very good with numbers, are you?

 

[Weezy]

You're not very good with numbers, are you?

Nice strawman.... They're still dbag hacks.

 

[arturo7]

They're still dbag hacks.

No argument there.

 

[olotti]

Preds came to play yesterday. Whatever one thinks they have an amazing crowd and fan base. I'm rooting for them.

 

[MeatyPortion]

it would also be nice to see some variance. Since 2009 look at how many different teams have won the cup compared to the previous 8 seasons.

 

[day_trippr]

"Participation Awards For Everyone!"

Sheesh.

I miss the Original Six days...

 

[MeatyPortion]

"Participation Awards For Everyone!"

Sheesh.

I miss the Original Six days...

That's not what I'm saying at all.

 

[MeatyPortion]

Wow, that game was pathetic on so many levels.

 

[Weezy]

That's not what I'm saying at all.

That *is* what you're saying. If the league hadn't stuck with the no-holds-barred playoff officiating style, that list would even be narrower. The regular season is just entertainment and trying​ to keep everyone healthy for the playoffs. Once in the playoffs, all teams know they can goon it up until the officials push back. And it takes a lot before they push back.

This series is a mess due to the lack of control by the officials. But it is good for the league since a lot of people are excited to see the country crowd getting into it. Carrie Underwood, Nicole Kidman getting lots of camera time and lots of white boys playing the sport. Nothing to do with hockey but it sells it to a much wider audience! The bad part about it is all these new fans can't see what's real hockey in between all the garbage.

 

[MeatyPortion]

That *is* what you're saying.

Nope, still not what I'm saying. I'm saying I like seeing different teams fluctuate in terms of effectiveness and team cohesion; I'm saying I like the fact that teams like Montreal can't keep all local talent to themselves anymore (Original Six, lol) and essentially ensure that other teams remain non-competitive; I'm saying that hockey players in general are more daring in terms of which team they set their sights on (*cough* Eric Lindros *cough*).

I'm not saying every team should get a turn and I'm not saying every team deserves a participation award.

 

[Weezy]

That's just one part of the equation and not the biggest part imho. Some guys move for cash. Some guys will go to teams with real chances at the cup and take less cash. You can be the top guy in Phoenix making $6M, or you can be a second or third line center for the pens making $3.5M.

 

[arturo7]

TYou can be the top guy in Phoenix making $6M, or you can be a second or third line center for the pens making $3.5M.

Give up $2.5M /yr to play on a contender? Nobody wants the cup that bad.

 

[Weezy]

One example off the top of my head: Marian Hossa. Left the Thrashers to go to the Pens the year they lost to Detroit. He jumped to Detroit the next year thinking they were a better team (and they were with him).

There's more third-fourth line guys that have done it tho. Like Tyler Kennedy could have left for double the salary after his first contract was up but chose to stay in Pittsburgh.

 

[day_trippr]

And that's that...

 

[MeatyPortion]

That's just one part of the equation and not the biggest part imho. Some guys move for cash. Some guys will go to teams with real chances at the cup and take less cash. You can be the top guy in Phoenix making $6M, or you can be a second or third line center for the pens making $3.5M.

Oh, I don't disagree with that at all, just that in the past players weren't allowed to jump ship like that at all, and certain teams got first pick of draftees. Then there was the fact that the same guy owned the Blackhawks and Red Wings and would steer the best players to the latter, ensuring a beefed up team and one less competitor. Today's model isn't perfect but it's better than that.

 

[Weezy]

I'm glad that the sideshow that Nashville turned this sport into is over. The Predators would have genuinely earned the cup if they'd won. The Nashville "fans" definitely would not have. I don't think a third of those in the arena and on Broadway know the rules half decent.

 

[MeatyPortion]

I'm glad that the sideshow that Nashville turned this sport into is over. The Predators would have genuinely earned the cup if they'd won. The Nashville "fans" definitely would not have. I don't think a third of those in the arena and on Broadway know the rules half decent.

Enh, I wasn't that bothered by it. Not like when Vancouver's fans rioted in 2011. After that, I have not since worn my Canucks jersey.

 

[Homercidal]

Well, my current least favorite team is having their parade.


Boooo....

 

[MeatyPortion]

Well, my current least favorite team is having their parade.


Boooo....

My friend who is a Penguins fan won our group bracket so now I have to deal with that for the second year in a row. Made a cardboard Stanley Cup with his name and the year 2017 on it, so he can put that in his office until next spring.

 

[HoppyDaze]

I'm glad that the sideshow that Nashville turned this sport into is over. The Predators would have genuinely earned the cup if they'd won. The Nashville "fans" definitely would not have. I don't think a third of those in the arena and on Broadway know the rules half decent.

You sound like an old baseball guy complaining about someone not following the unwritten rules...That team is exactly what the sport needs; new eyes, new demographic...etc

 

[Weezy]

If I have to trade quality play for sideshow to woo some ignorant, fair weather fans, no thanks. I'm not interested in this sport turning into baseball with fireworks nights and bobbleheads.... But that's just my opinion.

 

[MeatyPortion]

Blackhawks rumor is that Hjalmarsson is going to be traded, Kruger is 100% gone, and maybe Hossa too.

https://blackhawkup.com/2017/06/12/chicago-blackhawks-rumor-niklas-hjalmarsson-core-player-moved/

 

[arturo7]

Hossa has diaper rash?

 

[Homercidal]

Well, the current state of the Wings is now determined. They aren't very good. They exposed one of their two goalies (The younger one) and he wasn't picked up in the expansion draft.

None of the current team was selected, but they did grab a young player from Grand Rapids. One of our best prospects.

Now it looks like Mrazek will be considered trade bait, and the young goalie from GR brought up to play second fiddle to Howard. (Or maybe he will get the starting job? Seems like the position flips and flops more than Brodeur the past couple of seasons!)

 

[MeatyPortion]

Just in case anyone missed it: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...xpansion-draft-roster/?utm_term=.7cfb3873906b

F Pierre-Edouard Bellemare (Philadelphia)
F Connor Brickley (Carolina) + 2017 fifth-round draft pick
F William Carrier (Buffalo) + 2017 sixth-round draft pick
F Cody Eakin (Dallas)
F Erik Haula (Minnesota) + F Alex Tuch + 2017 or 2018 third-round draft pick
F William Karlsson (Columbus) + F David Clarkson + 2017 first-round draft pick (goes to Winnipeg) + 2019 second-round pick
F Brenden Leipsic (Toronto)
F Oscar Lindberg (NY Rangers)
F Jonathan Marchessault (Florida) + F Reilly Smith
F James Neal (Nashville)
F Tomas Nosek (Detroit)
F David Perron (St. Louis)
F Teemu Pulkkinen (Arizona)
F Chris Thorburn (Winnipeg) + 2017 first-round draft pick + 2019 third-round draft pick


D Alexei Emelin (Montreal)
D Deryk Engelland (Calgary)
D Jason Garrison (Tampa Bay) + F Nikita Gusev + 2017 second-round draft pick + 2018 fourth-round draft pick
D Brayden McNabb (Los Angeles)
D Jon Merrill (New Jersey)
D Marc Methot (Ottawa)
D Colin Miller (Boston)
D Griffin Reinhart (Edmonton)
D Luca Sbisa (Vancouver)
D David Schlemko (San Jose)
D Nate Schmidt (Washington)
D Clayton Stoner (Anaheim Ducks) + D Shea Theodore
D Trevor van Riemsdyk (Chicago)


G J-F Berube (NY Islanders) + F Mikhail Grabovski + D Jake Bischoff + 2017 first-round draft pick + 2019 second-round draft pick
G Marc-Andre Fleury (Pittsburgh) + 2020 second-round draft pick
G Calvin Pickard (Colorado)

You can see how some predictions stacked up to who was chosen: https://www.sbnation.com/2017/6/18/15826356/2017-nhl-expansion-mock-draft-vegas-golden-knights-picks

 

[MeatyPortion]

"Winners and Losers"

Teams had a year to prepare to lose one player in the process, and yet some fared far better than others.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ft-winners-and-losers/?utm_term=.7a830b0a6f59

 

[Genghis]

Can someone please explain to me what the heck the Panthers were thinking? Most of the teams gave Vegas deals to keep them away from certain players... who were they protecting over Marchessault?

 

[MeatyPortion]

Can someone please explain to me what the heck the Panthers were thinking? Most of the teams gave Vegas deals to keep them away from certain players... who were they protecting over Marchessault?

No idea.

Eight skaters: Jonathan Huberdeau, Aleksander Barkov, Vincent Trocheck, Nick Bjugstad, Aaron Ekblad, Keith Yandle, Alex Petrovic, Mark Pysyk
Goaltender: James Reimer

https://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2017/6...ft-2017-protection-lists-vegas-golden-knights

Florida Panthers. Jonathan Marchessault would be a HUGE loss for the Panthers. Protecting defensemen Alex Petrovic and Mark Pysyk seems silly with a 30-goal scorer on tap. C-

It's not like the Panthers are known for being an extremely well run organization but dayumn...

 

[Genghis]

I just looked at how lopsided the Calder voting was.

 

[arturo7]

It's not like the Panthers are known for being an extremely well run organization but dayumn...

I'm sure Chris Pronger will bring some level-headedness to the organization...