Double IPA give me feedback

[noodle23]

SEE PAGE TWO FOR THE REVISED HOP BILL


So here is my receipe for My double IPA called Red Dead Ale. Tell me what you guys thinks


malt & fermentables
% LB OZ Malt or Fermentable ppg °L Original Gravity 1.085
45% 14 0 Munich Malt 37 9 Final Gravity 1.026
45% 14 0 American Two-row Pale 37 1 Color14° SRM(Copper to Red)
6% 2 0 Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L 34 60
3% 1 0 White Wheat Malt 40 2
31 0

Batch size: 10.0 gallons

hops 98.0 IBU BU:GU 1.15
use time oz variety form aa
boil 60 mins 1.0 Cascade pellet 5.5
boil 55 mins 1.0 Cascade pellet 5.5
boil 50 mins 1.0 Goldings pellet 5.0
boil 45 mins 1.0 Amarillo pellet 7.0
boil 45 mins 1.0 Goldings pellet 5.0
boil 40 mins 1.0 Amarillo pellet 7.0
boil 35 mins 1.0 Amarillo pellet 7.0
boil 30 mins 1.0 Amarillo pellet 7.0
boil 25 mins 1.0 Citra pellet 11.0
boil 20 mins 1.0 Citra pellet 11.0
boil 15 mins 1.0 Cascade pellet 5.5
boil 10 mins 1.0 Cascade pellet 5.5
boil 10 mins 1.0 Amarillo pellet 7.0
boil 5 mins 1.0 Amarillo pellet 7.0
boil 5 mins 1.0 Citra pellet 11.0
boil 5 mins 1.0 Cascade pellet 5.5
boil 1 min 1.0 Cascade pellet 5.5
boil 1 min 1.0 Citra pellet 11.0

yeast
Wyeast Northwest Ale (1332) info
Alcohol
7.9% ABV / 6% ABW

misc
use time amount ingredient
boil 15 min 1 tsp Irish Moss info
secondary 24 hrs 2 tsp Gelatin info

 

[Oldsock]

Amarillo/Cascade/Citra should be a nice combo, but personally I would swap one of them out for something like Columbus or Chinook that is a bit more resiny. You’ll end up with a very fruity hop character as is. Rather than adding hops every 5 minutes I think you'd be better off focusing on where those hops will contribute the most character (that is to say near the start and end of the boil). Say 6 oz of high AA% hops at 60 minutes, and the rest split between 0 min and dry hop.

Munich should give you a more substantial malt character than most DIPAs have, nothing wrong with that if that is what you are going for. I tend to like dry DIPAs, so i do mostly pale with a bit of crystal and some sugar. Too sweet/malty and it ends up tasting like a barleywine or an American strong ale.

Good luck.

 

[noodle23]

Thanks for the feed back. I think i might change some of the hops to chinook but i think i will leav the time schedule cause i wanted to experiment with the dogfishhead idea of cotinuous addition. Also im hoping the malt will be substantial as im aiming for a really big beer

 

[devilishprune]

I agree with Oldsock. Things between 60 and 20 aren't going to give you much except bitterness. You could either save yourself some hops by not using these additions, or up the flavor and aroma by moving them later in the boil.

Personally, I think that the DFH way of adding hops is more gimmicky than anything.

Make sure you add a healthy dose of dry-hops too. No less than 2 oz I would say to balance all that malt.

 

[noodle23]

How about this for hops:

60min 2oz chinook
15min 2oz Amarillo
Citra
Cascade
Chinook
1min 2oz amarilo
Citra
Cascade
2oz chinook
Dry hop for 5days with
4oz of amarillo and cirta
Dry hop for 3days with
2oz chinook

 

[RMitch]

Is that 18oz of hops? :drooling:

 

[noodle23]

18 in the boil and 6 in the secondary

 

[agenthucky]

18 in the boil and 6 in the secondary

Good thing there isn't a shortage anymore, because you are really being careless with that amount of hops. Even if a homebrewer could reach those IBUs, It is only theoretically. Pro brewers rarely get 80+, and you can bet they use a smarter hop schedule than that!

 

[noodle23]

Good thing there isn't a shortage anymore, because you are really being careless with that amount of hops. Even if a homebrewer could reach those IBUs, It is only theoretically. Pro brewers rarely get 80+, and you can bet they use a smarter hop schedule than that!

Whats your problem? I didn't ask for you to call my hop schedule stupid. You could have gotten you point across without having been so rude. These hops are theoretical just like the IBUs are. Give me an example of one that would be more intelligent and more to your liking. I'm sorry i was so careless when i put this together.

 

[deadscott]

Heck do it the way you want. Half the fun is experimenting with grains and hops/Additions. I do have to agree with a couple of the others that late addition hops are amazing. I recently started doing that after reading several other posts on HBT and the flavor and aroma boosts made me say wow. Its certainly going to be a hop bomb but I bet it will be a good one.

 

[agenthucky]

Whats your problem? I didn't ask for you to call my hop schedule stupid. You could have gotten you point across without having been so rude. These hops are theoretical just like the IBUs are. Give me an example of one that would be more intelligent and more to your liking. I'm sorry i was so careless when i put this together.

No where I called it stupid. So sorry to offend you. I can see you don't want any real criticism, but what were you asking for posting it online? Wasn't this thread about your IIPA recipe? Weren't you SORT OF asking for that?

Not sure what you mean when you say hops are theoretical. Do you mean you haven't actually used any hops, and maybe you might adjust the real number when doing it in life? Maybe based on suggestions from other people, maybe even online? I didn't say you wasted hops either, I just simply stated my opinion on your hop bill, perhaps careless was the wrong term. Maybe you did put care into the fact that you're attempting to reach (and surpass) a theoretical maximum in the bitterness of your beer. Maybe you put care into discarding all the flavor and aroma you will be boiling away on your addition of 'flavor' hops to the bittering portion of your hop profile. Or maybe you just like the mild bitter of Amarillo for your 95 IBU beer.

 

[agenthucky]

So here is my receipe for My double IPA called Red Dead Ale. Tell me what you guys thinks


malt & fermentables
% LB OZ Malt or Fermentable ppg °L Original Gravity 1.085
45% 14 0 Munich Malt 37 9 Final Gravity 1.026
45% 14 0 American Two-row Pale 37 1 Color14° SRM(Copper to Red)
6% 2 0 Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L 34 60
3% 1 0 White Wheat Malt 40 2
31 0

Batch size: 10.0 gallons

hops 98.0 IBU BU:GU 1.15
use time oz variety form aa
boil 60 mins 1.0 Cascade pellet 5.5
boil 55 mins 1.0 Cascade pellet 5.5
boil 50 mins 1.0 Goldings pellet 5.0
boil 45 mins 1.0 Amarillo pellet 7.0
boil 45 mins 1.0 Goldings pellet 5.0
boil 40 mins 1.0 Amarillo pellet 7.0
boil 35 mins 1.0 Amarillo pellet 7.0
boil 30 mins 1.0 Amarillo pellet 7.0
boil 25 mins 1.0 Citra pellet 11.0
boil 20 mins 1.0 Citra pellet 11.0
boil 15 mins 1.0 Cascade pellet 5.5
boil 10 mins 1.0 Cascade pellet 5.5
boil 10 mins 1.0 Amarillo pellet 7.0
boil 5 mins 1.0 Amarillo pellet 7.0
boil 5 mins 1.0 Citra pellet 11.0
boil 5 mins 1.0 Cascade pellet 5.5
boil 1 min 1.0 Cascade pellet 5.5
boil 1 min 1.0 Citra pellet 11.0

yeast
Wyeast Northwest Ale (1332) info
Alcohol
7.9% ABV / 6% ABW

misc
use time amount ingredient
boil 15 min 1 tsp Irish Moss info
secondary 24 hrs 2 tsp Gelatin info

looks good

 

[agenthucky]

Whats your problem? I didn't ask for you to call my hop schedule stupid. You could have gotten you point across without having been so rude. These hops are theoretical just like the IBUs are. Give me an example of one that would be more intelligent and more to your liking. I'm sorry i was so careless when i put this together.

Ohh, I see it now, I referred to the professional brewers recipes as smarter. Saying something is smarter does not imply that what it is smarter than is stupid, that is an assumption. Not to say that yours is stupid, but the pros are smarter than us all, but then again, they have to be. I could have used a more appropriate term and said efficient. Then again, I was careless when I wrote it. Either way, forgive me.

 

[nediver]

Whats your problem? I didn't ask for you to call my hop schedule stupid. You could have gotten you point across without having been so rude. These hops are theoretical just like the IBUs are. Give me an example of one that would be more intelligent and more to your liking. I'm sorry i was so careless when i put this together.

Nothing careless at all. You could get to the same number many different ways. Many people feel that much of the early bittering and ibu can be achieved by a high alpha hop like chinook, magnum, warrior, etc and the finesse can be achieved with the others you listed. There are many good commercial IPA that use all centennial or all cascade for example.

I for one love layering the hops in. I 90 min boil, 60 first add, 30, 20, 5, 0.

Whatever I do I echo in the dry hop. So for the schedule above I might do cascade/simcoe all the way through each until flameout and then use cascade/simcoe/centennial/Amarillo and then dry hop with these as well.

Citra is a nice choice.

Lastly, because we are in a hop shortage is exactly why you should brew this fine ale how ever the hell u want.

 

[devilishprune]

What does a pound of hops cost, like 10 bucks? Small price to pay for experimentation in my opinion. Keep in mind that this is a 10 gallon batch; I've used almost 10 oz in a 5 gallon batch and I think it turned out really well.

You might want to either lower the amount of munich in this batch or take out some crystal malt to avoid making your beer too sweet/malty.

 

[noodle23]

@agenthucky
So I understand you point now. I agree i was asking for criticism and I did miss understand your original response. Funny thing about words on the internet is that you can't tell inflection really. I appreciate the what your saying now that i understand. Im going to work on the hop bill and its efficiency. and when i said theoretical hops what i meant was these have only existed on paper and have yet to brewed. I forgive and i hope you forgive me as well.
@nediver

Whatever I do I echo in the dry hop.

love this idea.
@devilishprune

hat does a pound of hops cost, like 10 bucks? Small price to pay for experimentation in my opinion.

Exactly, couldn't agree more here

Here is my second idea not fully laid out
How about this for hops:
60min 2oz Chinook
15min 2oz Amarillo,Citra,Cascade and 1oz Chinook
1min 2oz Amarillo, Citra, Cascade and 1oz Chinook
Dry hop for 5days with
2oz of Amarillo, citra Cascade

 

[dirty_martini]

^^^^^^

This hop schedule looks much better. You will get a lot more flavor out of this one.

With you going 50/50 with Munich and 2-row, I would cut the crystal malt in half or better yet, cut it out completely. If you are going to include it, I would suggest using 20-40L at the highest.

Also, I would substitute a small portion of malt for sugar and mash around 148 to help it dry out. With all of that Munich, you will still have plenty of malt punch.

 

[skyebrewing]

Its funny this came up so soon after listening to the "can you brew it" podcast of union jack ipa. The firestone brewer talked about how this beer comes in at 70ibu's but in a beer program, it would expect like 150 ibu's. In other words, do what you think will taste good, because what your anticipating and what it really is in a lab can be really different. In other words, go for broke and report back!