Double IPA Dogfish Head 90 Minute Clone

[CidCitrus]

Just bottled mine yesterday, i was sorely tempted to drink more than the incomplete bottle at the end. I lost a lot of volume to trub and clogged my bottling wand once, but it was still well worth the extra trouble.

Also I made a small beer by running another ~4 gallons of sparge water, adding 3 lbs of dme, an ounce of motueka hops (1/2 60 mins, 1/4 20 mins, 1/4 flameout), and topping off to 4.5 gallons. OG was 1.055, FG 1.015 and it tasted pretty good at bottling.

 

[rloc]

Has anyone brewed this with wlp001? I have about 40 minutes left on the boil, and can't decide between that, or 2 packs of S-04.

Which would be better?

 

[SenorPepe]

Just dryhopped my second batch of this. Boil hops were the same but I ran out of Amarillo so I subbed Centennial in the dry hop. Smells unbelievable.

 

[brew2enjoy]

Has anyone brewed this with wlp001? I have about 40 minutes left on the boil, and can't decide between that, or 2 packs of S-04.

Which would be better?

They will both make a good beer, but I personally would use the S-04 just because it will taste closer to the real thing than Cal ale will.

 

[wcrooker]

I made this on Sunday and pitched the yeast Monday. I was off on the og, 1.071, but the yeast is a beast. It went from a small layer of foam around 10 last night to a blow off coming out of the air lock at 7:30 this morning!

 

[Chedda]

Cracked open my first bottle and holy crap.. there aren't words, I mean really delish. Wasn't an exact clone, seeing as how I couldn't find the amarillo hops and used centennial but I'm still happy as hell.

Really a kick ass IPA, definitely plan to brew it again in the future. Thanks for all the advice

 

[brew2enjoy]

Just ordered all the ingredients to do this one again. Got a pound of Amarillo so I'll be brewing this one alot lol. I wish I could fine simcoe in bulk!

Scottland, did you ever brew this again? Curious how it came out with the added amber malt.

 

[Bill33525]

Has anyone compared their beer with a recent "bottle" of 90 minute? Cuz the bottled product is rather sweet and this recipe will not produce that sweetness on it's own.

The draft product of course tastes completely different in my experience. Are they using maple syrup as the priming sugar in the 90 minute product?

 

[SenorPepe]

My 2 cents: My first attempt came out at 1.012; tasted nothing like DFH. But it was great. My most recent one finished at 1.020 and tastes underattenuated and sweet to me, kind of like how I remember finding the real thing fresh. But it's been a little while since I've had the real thing.

 

[scottland]

Has anyone compared their beer with a recent "bottle" of 90 minute? Cuz the bottled product is rather sweet and this recipe will not produce that sweetness on it's own.

The draft product of course tastes completely different in my experience. Are they using maple syrup as the priming sugar in the 90 minute product?

It will, you just have the adjust the mash temp for your system. It'll finish out between 1.016 and 1.020. It's pretty much dead on.

 

[Bill33525]

So what is your mash strategy and temps?
Are you saying "dead on" for the bottle product or draft?

 

[scottland]

On my system, 150*, and it turns out like the beer does on draft, or fresh from the bottle. If the bottle is over a month old, it does taste different.

 

[wcrooker]

I recently did this beer and it was the first big beer I did with my current set up. I didn't account for the efficiency hit that comes with big beers, usually I'm in the 77%-80% but with this large of a malt bill I was down to 62%. Which I got an og of 1.072. It fermented down to 1.017. So we'll see how it turns out. Smells great though. Thanks Scott.

 

[thisoneguy]

I recently did this beer and it was the first big beer I did with my current set up. I didn't account for the efficiency hit that comes with big beers, usually I'm in the 77%-80% but with this large of a malt bill I was down to 62%. Which I got an og of 1.072. It fermented down to 1.017. So we'll see how it turns out. Smells great though. Thanks Scott.

I did the same things, but had just enough light DME on hand to get my OG up to 1.080.. Last time I checked gravity was about 10 days ago and it was between 1.017 and 1.018. I decided that was good enough for that time and added the first 2 oz of dry hops right to primary, and brought the temp up a few degrees to try and get it to attenuate just a bit more.

Tonight I racked to secondary to add the second set of 2 oz of dry hops. After another week, I'll check the FG, rack to keg, and carb it up! Then try to make it last for a few weeks.... or just get wasted from having a big delicious beer on tap.

 

[Bill33525]

The bottles available here in the Tampa area are about 2-3 months old. They are rather sweet, the TF Amber is predominate after the sweetness and the hops are hard to detect.

Read that this is a bottle conditioned beer, wondering what the sugar agent is. Maybe they are using too much sugar?

Finally, obtained a 120 minute bottle [2012 B 16:19] to compare. Was a let-down compared to the 90 minute.

BTW: How did the batch with 1.25/lb of TFA turn out?
Great thread, lots of good info.

 

[chalkdust41485]

Just wanted to share what I had last night:

I told my SWMBO that I was needing it for research purposes...

Now I'm motivated to brew this so I can drink it at a third of the retail cost.

I just need to get my hands on the Amber malt. I think this question has already been asked, but: Could I use the Amber malt from Crisp instead of TF? They are both from the UK...

 

[Bill33525]

John at Farmhouse Brewing Supply is a good source.
They usually ship the same day.

 

[chalkdust41485]

Just checked their website. They have some in stock. Thanks! But I was really hoping to not have to pay for shipping.

I'll have to check with my LHBS to see what kind of Amber he has or if he can order some.

But is there any real difference between the Crisp and TF Amber Malts? Enough to only want/use the TF?

 

[SmokingDog]

About 3/4 of the way through the thread, you guys were talking about that "raisiny" flavor that we all love...

I'm going to brew this in the next week or two and add Special B to the grist. Probably about .5 - .75 lbs.

Thoughts?

 

[Bill33525]

My opinion is to use just a few ounces of Special B. Maybe about 4Oz at the most.
It's rather powerful and adds to the SRM very quickly. How much Amber malt are you planning to use?

I picked up some Special B for my next batch as well. Thinking of 1 1/2lbs of TFA and .25 Special B.

Anyone else have thoughts?

 

[scottland]

Our re-brew of this beer turned out very well. It was almost dead on.

1.25lbs of Amber tastes right. Maybe 1.3, but it's not much more. The big change that needs to be done is English two-row (marris otter) rather than American. That's the only difference I taste between our latest batch, and the real-deal.

 

[Bill33525]

Just found a new batch bottled on 3/29/12; Whole different beer from the previous bottles.
The new batch is perfect, hops incredibly well balanced against the malt. A little sweet but nothing like the previous batch, took a gravity measurement of the product: 1.032..
The SRM looks lighter and the Amber malt is not so forward.
My experience with cloning these big beers is that there can be a big variance in batches over time. Like Avery Marahaja and Firestone Walker Double Jack for example.

 

[flyingfinbar]

Our re-brew of this beer turned out very well. It was almost dead on.

1.25lbs of Amber tastes right. Maybe 1.3, but it's not much more. The big change that needs to be done is English two-row (marris otter) rather than American. That's the only difference I taste between our latest batch, and the real-deal.

hhhhmmm....interesting!

I am looking to make this my next brew, and I am now torn between American 2 row and Maris Otter...

 

[Bill33525]

I am using Marris Otter for all my beers now. It's a only a few more dollars.

 

[flyingfinbar]

I've never actually brewed with MO before, how would you describe the difference between regular old 2row?

 

[brew2enjoy]

Our re-brew of this beer turned out very well. It was almost dead on.

1.25lbs of Amber tastes right. Maybe 1.3, but it's not much more. The big change that needs to be done is English two-row (marris otter) rather than American. That's the only difference I taste between our latest batch, and the real-deal.

Thanks for the update. I have everything for this except the base malt so I will give the marris otter a try.

 

[SmokingDog]

My opinion is to use just a few ounces of Special B. Maybe about 4Oz at the most.
It's rather powerful and adds to the SRM very quickly. How much Amber malt are you planning to use?

I picked up some Special B for my next batch as well. Thinking of 1 1/2lbs of TFA and .25 Special B.

Anyone else have thoughts?

I was going to stick with the 1.25# of TFA as the OP adjusted to, and maybe only go .50# of Special B for the first attempt. I agree with what you're saying about darkening out the beer quickly with SpB, but I'm in it for the flavor way more than matching the color of the cloned.

 

[jammin]

I followed the recipe per the OP (wlp007 yeast). Finally drinking it now.. it was a long month waiting for it to ferment and dry hop. It is DAMN good though. I agree about the TFA malt, don't go more than in the OP for sure. I have a couple DFH 90's in the fridge I will side by side with tomorrow.

Scottland - thanks for posting buddy. It's a mighty fine recipe.

 

[jammin]

The recipe is darn close. I think the TFA is almost a bit much.

 

[flyingfinbar]

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The recipe is darn close. I think the TFA is almost a bit much.

Nice! Is that with 2 row or Maris Otter?