Double IPA Dogfish Head 90 Minute Clone

[brew2enjoy]

www.mdhb.com has simcoe leaf hops. I just ordered some for this brew

 

[brew2enjoy]

Finally got to break in my brand-new mash tun and brew this yesterday. I must say for my first all grain, everything went incredibly smooth! I over-shot my pre-boil volume a little and ended up with about 7.5 gallons at 1.060 which I calculated at 72% efficiency. I am glad I overshot my volume because those simcoe leaf hops absorb alot of beer! I still ended up with about 5.25 gallons in my fermenter (I was shooting for 5.5). I took really good notes though so I will make some adjustments for the next batch. I also over-shot my strike water temp a little so I had to add a little cold water and stir for about 10 min to get to my mash temp. I wasn't sure how much heat my cooler would absorb so I aimed a little high figuring it would be easier to lower the temp then raise it. Final post-boil gravity was 1.081, a few points short but no biggie.

Another first for me was how quickly fermentation started. Per recommendations I made a massive (3 qt) starter of WLP007 and I had activity within 3 hours. I checked it this morning before I left for work and it has a nice 3" krausen and the temp is holding nicely at 65. Thanks for the great recipe and for answering all my noob questions! I will update as things move along. I took some pictures that I will post on here a little later.

 

[scottland]

Awesome! That should turn out really well

 

[Svenhook]

Just tapped my partial mash of this brew (first kegged beer!) and it is delicious. I seem to recall there being a bit maltier of a flavor in the original, but this is pretty close. Im very excited with how this turned out. Mine also seems to be a bit darker in color (perhaps a bit too dark) but it taste great none the less. Definitely gonna keep this one on my short list and play around with it especially with my all-grain set-up nearing completion. Thanks so much for the recipe!

 

[brew2enjoy]

Pics.. Smell was amazing! Only thing I forgot to do was take a temp reading AFTER the mash, but it had settled nicely at 151 when I closed the lid. I doubt I lost more than 1-2 degrees over the hour long mash.

 

[ThePell]

I grabbed everything for this beer yesterday and began my first ever starter. Can't wait to start brewing it. 90 Min isn't available around here anymore.

 

[joeyrod]

Wow pics look awsome

 

[brew2enjoy]

Whew that WLP007 works FAST. Day 4 and it has mostly dropped out. It's still a little cloudy so there is still some yeast in suspension finishing things up. I am trying to get the temp up a little to help it finish. I think this may be the first yeast I attempt to wash and save. I really like how it has performed thus far! I think I will give it another week and dry hop it.

Scottland, what is the benefit of adding the dry hops in two stages?

 

[scottland]

WLP007 always rips through beers, but oddly enough drops clear before it chews off the last few points. Give it at least 3-4 more days after the krausen drops

 

[CrackWagen]

I brewed this over the weekend and totally screwed up my mash temp, which lead to a very low OG. I read a couple versions of the recipe and the one I ended up with, which consequently was the wrong one, had a mash temp of 122 and then bringing it up to 149. So, I mashed at 122 for 40 minutes and then added enough water (stole from the sparge water, not sure if that was right or not) to bring it up to 149 for last 20 mins or so of the mash. My OG, chilled wort, ended up being a depressingly low 1.044. So, it's been sitting in the primary for a 4 or 5 days now and I have a couple of questions.

If I leave it alone will I end up with a low ABV, but drinkable beer? Albeit not a 90 min clone.

Is there anything I can do now to raise the OG, like add some DME? Or is that too late?

 

[SenorPepe]

Maaan, I gotta say this beer smelled kinda weird when I went to dry hop it. Fingers crossed. Scottland, I'd also like to know the reasoning behind splitting up the dry hop schedule.

 

[brew2enjoy]

I brewed this over the weekend and totally screwed up my mash temp, which lead to a very low OG. I read a couple versions of the recipe and the one I ended up with, which consequently was the wrong one, had a mash temp of 122 and then bringing it up to 149. So, I mashed at 122 for 40 minutes and then added enough water (stole from the sparge water, not sure if that was right or not) to bring it up to 149 for last 20 mins or so of the mash. My OG, chilled wort, ended up being a depressingly low 1.044. So, it's been sitting in the primary for a 4 or 5 days now and I have a couple of questions.

If I leave it alone will I end up with a low ABV, but drinkable beer? Albeit not a 90 min clone.

Is there anything I can do now to raise the OG, like add some DME? Or is that too late?

Usually you would add the DME before fermentation. I'm not sure if it's safe to add it this late but maybe someone else can chime in there. I think it will still be good, just a really hoppy pale ale. I believe DFH mashes similar to what you tried to do. They start low and slowly ramp the temp up, but they have special equipment and precise temperature control. You probably could have sparged again and just boiled off the extra volume, that might have helped your efficiency a little. At this point I would stick with what you have. It should still be good.

 

[scottland]

Scottland, I'd also like to know the reasoning behind splitting up the dry hop schedule.

Hop oils are very volatile, and it seems like adding fresh hops a number of time over a number of days really boosts the hop aroma of the beer.

 

[scottland]

If I leave it alone will I end up with a low ABV, but drinkable beer? Albeit not a 90 min clone.

Is there anything I can do now to raise the OG, like add some DME? Or is that too late?

That mash schedule would have worked, but you would have needed to hold the 149* rest for at least 60 minutes. I think that's where your issue was.

You'll still have a drinkable beer, it'll just be quite bitter for a pale ale. I'd roll with it, and see how it turns out, you might like it. Considering your 4-5 days into the primary, I wouldn't go to the trouble of adding more fermentables.

 

[CrackWagen]

Thanks for the speedy reply guys. I'll definitely be sure to not make the same mistake next time.

 

[Brizzo]

So I am drinking a bottle of 90 minute right now and the label said that it was made using a single continuous 90 minute hop addition. so this isn't saying that it is only one type of hop, it is saying that the hop blend that they use is just being added constantly for 90 minutes?

I Just drank a 60 minute before the 90 and I am going to pick up a 120 at the local beer store friday, they have 2 left. yum yum

 

[scottland]

so this isn't saying that it is only one type of hop, it is saying that the hop blend that they use is just being added constantly for 90 minutes?

Exactly.

 

[brew2enjoy]

I love the 60 and 90 minute IPA's, been enjoying them for years since I have the luxury of living within 20 minutes from the brewery! I actually just tried the 120 minute a few months ago and honestly, it fell short of my expectations. Not that it wasn't good, i was just expecting more. The 60, 90, squall, and burton baton are excellent though.

 

[fl460]

Can I put this much grain in my 10 gal converted drink cooler I used for a mash tun?

 

[scottland]

Can I put this much grain in my 10 gal converted drink cooler I used for a mash tun?

Definitely - https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f11/how-big-your-mash-tun-needs-123585/

 

[brew2enjoy]

Can I put this much grain in my 10 gal converted drink cooler I used for a mash tun?

Easily. check out my pictures on the previous page. I use a 10 gallon cooler. Plenty of space.

 

[brew2enjoy]

Well activity has completely stopped for a few days now so I got all my gear ready to transfer and dryhop. Took a gravity reading and I'm not sure what to do about this. 1.022 is the reading. Beer looks and taste great. Should I leave it on the yeast longer or is it done? It is crystal clear as you can see.

 

[scottland]

A couple days in the primary couldn't hurt, but if you already racked it to secondary, it's no big dea.

 

[brew2enjoy]

I ended up waiting. I put a heat pad around it and wrapped it in a few blankets to get the temp up to 70. Also gave it a gentle swirl to try to wake the yeasties up. I'll give it until Wednesday and if the gravity hasn't dropped any by then I will go ahead and transfer. Judging by the way the sample tasted this is going to be an amazing beer! I think the DFH version finishes around 1.020 so I'm not far off.

 

[SenorPepe]

You know, this might be a dumb question, but when you say you split up the hop additions, do you remove the first when you put the second in? I am planning to throw in the second addition later today and I was going to toss the hops to reuse the bag they're in, but if you find you can develop a more complex aroma by having essentially one 2 week dry hop and one 1 week dry hop (as opposed to two 1 week dry hops just separated), I'll run with that. Thanks.

 

[scottland]

You know, this might be a dumb question, but when you say you split up the hop additions, do you remove the first when you put the second in? I am planning to throw in the second addition later today and I was going to toss the hops to reuse the bag they're in, but if you find you can develop a more complex aroma by having essentially one 2 week dry hop and one 1 week dry hop (as opposed to two 1 week dry hops just separated), I'll run with that. Thanks.

Whichever is easier for you. Ideally removing the fist charge of hops is the way to go, which sounds like you're case. It's not a big deal either way though.

 

[SenorPepe]

Thanks. I figured as much. I just tossed the old charge. I might have had a mash issue because the WY1275 (Thames Valley) took it to 1.012, about 86%AA. I'm notoriously bad at predicting outcomes from hydro readings but I think that's gonna be a bit dry for my tastes given all the hops. We'll see. At over 9.5%, I won't be complaining too much in any case.

 

[brew2enjoy]

Thanks. I figured as much. I just tossed the old charge. I might have had a mash issue because the WY1275 (Thames Valley) took it to 1.012, about 86%AA. I'm notoriously bad at predicting outcomes from hydro readings but I think that's gonna be a bit dry for my tastes given all the hops. We'll see. At over 9.5%, I won't be complaining too much in any case.

Wow that did get dry! What was your OG? Man if we could find a compromise between my high (1.022) FG and your low FG we would be right on the money!

 

[scottland]

took it to 1.012, about 86%AA. I'm notoriously bad at predicting outcomes from hydro readings but I think that's gonna be a bit dry for my tastes given all the hops.

I think that will actually be very good. It'll taste a little drier than dogfish 90min, and you won't get the raisin, dried fig kind of quality that it has, but you'll have an excellent IIPA, much more to style than DFH 90min is.

 

[SenorPepe]

Wow that did get dry! What was your OG? Man if we could find a compromise between my high (1.022) FG and your low FG we would be right on the money!

I'm not exactly positive on the OG, because I had bad efficiency and had to add a whole pound DME, with a not-quite-measured amount of water. But taking into account my estimate of the dilution, I think I hit 1.085. And TV's attenuation is supposed to be 77, not 86 so I'm attributing it to mash problems. I also pitched a whole smack pack into a 2.75 gallon batch though.

Scottland, you're right, it will definitely be more like other IIPAs but I always liked that balance DFH strikes. Well, I will be trying this one again anyway.