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Cheesefood
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desertBrew said:
He's 5.5 now. It's has been an ongoing problem that resurfaces every 3-4 months with simple gnawing at the base boards and then every 6-8 months a wall or 2.
Again. I'm confident that this has kept the behavior uber manageable.
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olllllo said:
This sounds harsh, but...
We had a dog (male) who was a door chewer. We resolved it by putting hot sauce on the part of the door that he chewed on. That broke his habit quickly.
I'll never own a male dog again.
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Cheesefood said:
He ate a wreath of dried hatch chiles. Definately one of the family in that respect. We've also used every bitter anti-dog product sold at Petsmart.
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You should contact the Dog Whisperer, he will come to house and fix your dog for free but he will require you cry on video and give him a hug.
One problem I've noticed a lot is people who have hyper dogs and can't figure it out don't walk them correctly. Dogs should not stop to sniff or take breaks while walking, it should be a job, with their head up high and focused on you. I put a bag around my large breed when I walk her and make her carry my cell phone, water bottles, etc. to wear her out more and give her a task. She's a St. Bernard and the bred them to carry Monk's alcohol around.
One problem I've noticed a lot is people who have hyper dogs and can't figure it out don't walk them correctly. Dogs should not stop to sniff or take breaks while walking, it should be a job, with their head up high and focused on you. I put a bag around my large breed when I walk her and make her carry my cell phone, water bottles, etc. to wear her out more and give her a task. She's a St. Bernard and the bred them to carry Monk's alcohol around.
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I have two border collies with OCD and an Australian Cattle Dog. I am not a professional trainer, but I have done much dog training and had private sessions with professionals do focus on specific behaviors.
1) Find another trainer. Not all are the same. I really have trouble believing that an experienced trainer has never seen this behavior before. Think about how fruity celebrities can be? I did a search here (http://www.apdt.com/po/ts/us.asp) and found numerous in your area.
2) Exercise, exercise, exercise! Not just walks. I mean run him! Fetch works wonders. One border collie of ours can be mad with energy (mad as in crazy). Every evening we play fetch until she plops down from exhaustion. It is also a mental outlet for dogs. Simple walks wont do it, however, one long ass walk is infinitely better than 2 or 3 short ones.
3) Obedience. Sit, Down, Stay, off, and watch me (get the dog to look at you in the eyes no matter what they are doing) are very important. More mental stimulation for the dog, plus it reinforces your position of top dog.
4) Training. Teach him that it is OK and good things happen when you leave. The trainer will help you with this. Whatever advice I give you here might contradict what the trainer tells you. The book I'll be home soon might help.http://www.dogsbestfriendtraining.com/books-retail.php
Also, if it doesnt happen but once in a while, or sporadically, you might want to consider that it may be some specific, intermittent, stimuli that is causing it. Fear, for example. Thunderstorm, big trucks, motorcycles, cries from children playing.
Keep talking to your vet about it. Dont give up on OZ.
Our border collie, willow, was a problem child. Scared of strangers (especially men) and didnt trust me (got her at 2 months). Now she will let a stranger at the dog park scratch her neck and my wife calls her my girlfriend. Shell wiggle and jump into my arms. That being said, strangers in the house are very different. There is no such thing as a perfect dog cept in Disney movies.
BTW I didnt get a chance to read the whole thread (at work and I could only skim) so if Im totally lost with this post, forgive me.
1) Find another trainer. Not all are the same. I really have trouble believing that an experienced trainer has never seen this behavior before. Think about how fruity celebrities can be? I did a search here (http://www.apdt.com/po/ts/us.asp) and found numerous in your area.
2) Exercise, exercise, exercise! Not just walks. I mean run him! Fetch works wonders. One border collie of ours can be mad with energy (mad as in crazy). Every evening we play fetch until she plops down from exhaustion. It is also a mental outlet for dogs. Simple walks wont do it, however, one long ass walk is infinitely better than 2 or 3 short ones.
3) Obedience. Sit, Down, Stay, off, and watch me (get the dog to look at you in the eyes no matter what they are doing) are very important. More mental stimulation for the dog, plus it reinforces your position of top dog.
4) Training. Teach him that it is OK and good things happen when you leave. The trainer will help you with this. Whatever advice I give you here might contradict what the trainer tells you. The book I'll be home soon might help.http://www.dogsbestfriendtraining.com/books-retail.php
Also, if it doesnt happen but once in a while, or sporadically, you might want to consider that it may be some specific, intermittent, stimuli that is causing it. Fear, for example. Thunderstorm, big trucks, motorcycles, cries from children playing.
Keep talking to your vet about it. Dont give up on OZ.
Our border collie, willow, was a problem child. Scared of strangers (especially men) and didnt trust me (got her at 2 months). Now she will let a stranger at the dog park scratch her neck and my wife calls her my girlfriend. Shell wiggle and jump into my arms. That being said, strangers in the house are very different. There is no such thing as a perfect dog cept in Disney movies.
BTW I didnt get a chance to read the whole thread (at work and I could only skim) so if Im totally lost with this post, forgive me.
Willsellout
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Noone has asked this question yet that I have seen and it's a very important one if you are looking to solve the problem; What is the breed of the dog, or what is the dominant breed if it's a mix?
Every breed has their own job they were bred forand to solve this situation you need to tailor your efforts to what's most likely going to work. Your dog is mentally imbalance and lacks confidence..I don't like the idea of treating that with medication, it just masks the problem rather than fixing it. I hate the fact that we rely on medication in our society but to medicate an animal? I mean dogs don't have psychological issues like we do, but we insist on giving them prozac..I just don't get it. Anyway, I grew up breeding several different breeds including American pit bulls, which are "notorious" for being stubborn and destructive not to mention "dangerous".
When we had problems with one of our pack, we came up with a solution based on their history. History told us that they are tireless and they don't give up, ever..so we started having them pull weight for an hour a day until they started to fatigue. We also hooked up a tire to our tree and had them hang, and if I had time I would play tug of war.
A lot of people have a "set and forget" attitude about their animals. They are a lot of work and to have a truly healthy dog it requires at least an hour a day of working with them and a strong pack. I'm not saying you do, but where I live people have their dogs tied to trees in their back yard and never do anything with them..it's truly sad.
Every breed has their own job they were bred forand to solve this situation you need to tailor your efforts to what's most likely going to work. Your dog is mentally imbalance and lacks confidence..I don't like the idea of treating that with medication, it just masks the problem rather than fixing it. I hate the fact that we rely on medication in our society but to medicate an animal? I mean dogs don't have psychological issues like we do, but we insist on giving them prozac..I just don't get it. Anyway, I grew up breeding several different breeds including American pit bulls, which are "notorious" for being stubborn and destructive not to mention "dangerous".
When we had problems with one of our pack, we came up with a solution based on their history. History told us that they are tireless and they don't give up, ever..so we started having them pull weight for an hour a day until they started to fatigue. We also hooked up a tire to our tree and had them hang, and if I had time I would play tug of war.
A lot of people have a "set and forget" attitude about their animals. They are a lot of work and to have a truly healthy dog it requires at least an hour a day of working with them and a strong pack. I'm not saying you do, but where I live people have their dogs tied to trees in their back yard and never do anything with them..it's truly sad.
kornkob
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Oh-- and it sure sounds to me that trying another vet in the area might help too. It seems strange to me that a vet would not be familiar with this kind of thing, since most pet people have a vet but few have a trainer.
And any competent vet who gave someone behavior advice is going to follow up on it--- just like your physician does. And if your vet isn't good about following up, get rid of them. A medical (human or otherwise) practicioner who isn't taking good notes and following up isn't one who deserves your trust or your money.
It sure sounds like 'I'm bored' behavior to me but one thing to check: when does the meter reader come around? Maybe that's what's driving him batty.
Our Aussie Shep/husky mix also broke a cannine tooth on a crate after being locked up one day (he was being generally destructive and a little agressive to the otehr dog) and while it didn't cost anything to fix he didn't even need stitches) by the time he healed up, he had calmed out of that behavior, in part because his 'other half' (our female dog) got cancer shortly after and he took to 'guarding' and herding her (the drugs the vet gave the dog made her unsteady on her feet).
/edit And I have to disagree with the idea that every dog requires a great deal of work daily to be happy and healthy. Some require a lot of participation and some are pretty self reliant. Typically, the smarter the dog, the more you have to work the dog.
Personal theory: That's why black labradors are so popular. Pound for pound some of the dumbest dogs I've ever seen are black labs and besides getting them out of puppyhood without needing something surgically removed from their mouth, you pretty much can 'set and forget' those mutts.
And any competent vet who gave someone behavior advice is going to follow up on it--- just like your physician does. And if your vet isn't good about following up, get rid of them. A medical (human or otherwise) practicioner who isn't taking good notes and following up isn't one who deserves your trust or your money.
It sure sounds like 'I'm bored' behavior to me but one thing to check: when does the meter reader come around? Maybe that's what's driving him batty.
Our Aussie Shep/husky mix also broke a cannine tooth on a crate after being locked up one day (he was being generally destructive and a little agressive to the otehr dog) and while it didn't cost anything to fix he didn't even need stitches) by the time he healed up, he had calmed out of that behavior, in part because his 'other half' (our female dog) got cancer shortly after and he took to 'guarding' and herding her (the drugs the vet gave the dog made her unsteady on her feet).
/edit And I have to disagree with the idea that every dog requires a great deal of work daily to be happy and healthy. Some require a lot of participation and some are pretty self reliant. Typically, the smarter the dog, the more you have to work the dog.
Personal theory: That's why black labradors are so popular. Pound for pound some of the dumbest dogs I've ever seen are black labs and besides getting them out of puppyhood without needing something surgically removed from their mouth, you pretty much can 'set and forget' those mutts.
Zymurgrafi
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Hard to deal with. I have a Beagle/Husky mix who is like that, though not quite as aggresive. Admittedly I do not exercise/walk her as much as I should. Definate seperation anxiety though. She is very upset when we all leave. Or she is upset when my wife and son leave and I am still here (sheesh, I don't get no respect!) I am home mostly and so is my son so she is fine as long as he is here. She follows us around everywhere though.
Like you and others have said, we tried the crate but she busts out (and it is plenty big fo her). We have also tried blocking off certain rooms but she seems to have figured doorknobs out.
Someone mentioned getting another dog. Do not know that that works so well. We have two dogs and Queso, the dog in question was actually our second. Maybe if you had a whole pack...
Any way to bring him to work?
Good luck and do not give up. For all the frustration they are great friends and teachers if you pay attention.
Like you and others have said, we tried the crate but she busts out (and it is plenty big fo her). We have also tried blocking off certain rooms but she seems to have figured doorknobs out.
Someone mentioned getting another dog. Do not know that that works so well. We have two dogs and Queso, the dog in question was actually our second. Maybe if you had a whole pack...
Any way to bring him to work?
Good luck and do not give up. For all the frustration they are great friends and teachers if you pay attention.
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What everyone is saying about discipline, training and exercise is true. It is also true for you and I, but we are all not self-actualized Greek gods either, are we?
The dog was from the pound. We have no history on it. Visually he appears to be a Jack Russell Cattle dog mix.
His job, as we observe from his behavior it is a cat hunter. This is consistent with JRT obsessions with hunting small mammals. His herd instinct is not as prevalent. When we walk him, he appears as though he is on "cat patrol".
We are proficient in using the choke chain, keeping him on our left. He seldom needs correction, the leash is loose. He knows that he only has permission to sniff in 2 areas of his walk and he waits for permission. This all by it self perplexes the hell out of any trainer we have met with. They come in with the expectation that he is not properly leash trained but are pleasantly surprised.
I agree that drug and our current strategy is not optimal, but it is preventing him from doing further damage and potentially hurting himself. It gives us the opportunity now to direct our focus on the root causes of his behavior and happiness instead of fixing, repairing, boarding, day-caring him as we have had to do in the past. We have had 3 incident-free months using our current strategy out of 4.5 years that we have had him.
I have web cammed him for weeks trying to identify a trigger or to catch him in the act of the destructive behavior. I caught him exactly once on the cam and had rigged an x-10 web connected button to turn on a vacuum cleaner by the door to scare him.
He left the door alone, but proceeded (unbeknownst to me) to go outside (out of cam range) and created a hole in our cedar gate. A neighbor alterted me that he was trolling the neighborhood. The collar and the drugs have stopped this. Our obvious next step is to wean him off the drugs.
We call those Dogquariums. I hate it as well. If you want a pet that you will not interact with, get fish!
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The dog was from the pound. We have no history on it. Visually he appears to be a Jack Russell Cattle dog mix.
His job, as we observe from his behavior it is a cat hunter. This is consistent with JRT obsessions with hunting small mammals. His herd instinct is not as prevalent. When we walk him, he appears as though he is on "cat patrol".
We are proficient in using the choke chain, keeping him on our left. He seldom needs correction, the leash is loose. He knows that he only has permission to sniff in 2 areas of his walk and he waits for permission. This all by it self perplexes the hell out of any trainer we have met with. They come in with the expectation that he is not properly leash trained but are pleasantly surprised.
I agree that drug and our current strategy is not optimal, but it is preventing him from doing further damage and potentially hurting himself. It gives us the opportunity now to direct our focus on the root causes of his behavior and happiness instead of fixing, repairing, boarding, day-caring him as we have had to do in the past. We have had 3 incident-free months using our current strategy out of 4.5 years that we have had him.
I have web cammed him for weeks trying to identify a trigger or to catch him in the act of the destructive behavior. I caught him exactly once on the cam and had rigged an x-10 web connected button to turn on a vacuum cleaner by the door to scare him.
He left the door alone, but proceeded (unbeknownst to me) to go outside (out of cam range) and created a hole in our cedar gate. A neighbor alterted me that he was trolling the neighborhood. The collar and the drugs have stopped this. Our obvious next step is to wean him off the drugs.
Willsellout said:
We call those Dogquariums. I hate it as well. If you want a pet that you will not interact with, get fish!
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JRTxACD says alot. Herding breed have high prey drives (herding is controlled hunting). ACDs are very bad velcro dogs. All my ACD's were suffered from border line seperation anxiety (SA). One would go out and jump on the roof when I left and run around, distressed (whining and barking)on the roof. Once she jumped off and followed my truck (I always watched for her in my rear view).
Taking them to work can reinforce the behavior. I talked to a trainer when I got my second ACD and he advised me to take him sometimes but if he started to develope SA to stop. They can really freek out when they are left at home when they go with you every day. He never developed SA.
Please, find another trainer. It will be worth it. And don't underestimate the power of 15-20 min of hard fetch.
Taking them to work can reinforce the behavior. I talked to a trainer when I got my second ACD and he advised me to take him sometimes but if he started to develope SA to stop. They can really freek out when they are left at home when they go with you every day. He never developed SA.
Please, find another trainer. It will be worth it. And don't underestimate the power of 15-20 min of hard fetch.
kornkob
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olllllo said:We call those Dogquariums. I hate it as well. If you want a pet that you will not interact with, get fish!
I've always heard them referred to as 'dirt circle dogs' because of the dirt circle that develops in the range of the lead.
At least once I saw a 'release and call animal control' sequence perpetrated to get such a dog removed from the owner. I think everyone in the neighborhood was relieved when they finally gave up and let the pound keep him.
Willsellout
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JRT huh...well first and foremost, I'm sorry
Sorry because these dogs are about as tireless as they come. It looks like a good hike up a mountain, fetch, frisbee, tug of war, or the ol' hanging tire or rubber ball would be your best bets for energy draining. These dogs are also known as climbers...so if you happen to have a tree nearby you can stick toys in the tree and have the dog try and retrieve it..When I owned pit bulls I would do this and they would spend all day trying to get the toy..sometimes they got so exhausted I had to carry them to the car
the only other thing I could suggest is to make sure your dog is in a calm state inside the house...no playing, no running or jumping. Sometimes all it takes is setting some rules inside the house to end the torture of your walls
Good luck man!
Dan
Sorry because these dogs are about as tireless as they come. It looks like a good hike up a mountain, fetch, frisbee, tug of war, or the ol' hanging tire or rubber ball would be your best bets for energy draining. These dogs are also known as climbers...so if you happen to have a tree nearby you can stick toys in the tree and have the dog try and retrieve it..When I owned pit bulls I would do this and they would spend all day trying to get the toy..sometimes they got so exhausted I had to carry them to the car
the only other thing I could suggest is to make sure your dog is in a calm state inside the house...no playing, no running or jumping. Sometimes all it takes is setting some rules inside the house to end the torture of your walls
Good luck man!
Dan
