Sweet Stout Deception Cream Stout

[munklunk]

Just ordered a half batch full of ingredients from Brewmasters Warehouse last night, and I'm pumped.

My plan for the winter is to brew up half batches of many beer recipes that look good to me and bottle them all. The best of the "tests" gets a full batch and a place in my kegerator. I'm really hoping this turns out like my brain's telling me it will...

 

[NCBeernut]

Hi everyone. I'm looking for opinions. I'm looking to brew this recipe next week from the all-grain version. Trouble is my homebrew store only sells grain in 1-lb increments, and since I hate to waste...I'm thinking of using 1 lb each of the roasted barley and chocolate malt. BrewTarget says that would put my color over the max for the style, but everything else is good. Also, I'm thinking of doing a 60-min addition of .5 oz Fuggles and Kent Goldings and a 30-min addition of the same. Would that make the hops taste ruin the beer? I'm going for balanced.

You could easily just do a pound of chocolate malt and it would be perfectly fine since it is only 0.25 lb more. For the Roasted Barley, why not just use half a pound and save the other half pound for another batch? I have a bin full bags of left over specialty grains that I dig into all the time for new recipes. I think the fuggles schedule would be fine, especially since you won't really get much flavor from them adding at 30 minutes. I would not advise adding hops any later than 30 though. I haven't tried it, but this is generally not a style that works well with late hop additions. If you want to make a stout with some hop character, take this recipe, drop the lactose, and increase the base malt to compensate. Then move your hop addition to 15 minutes. If you are just going for balance, the 30 IBU built into the original recipe will give you that. Hope this helps.

 

[tieflyer]

It is recipes like this that make me wish I could brew all the time and had the room for all of these great beers!

 

[user 40839]

Pro tip of the week - add 2oz of chocolate extract to a keg of this.

Wife pleaser x 1,000,000

 

[BeerWars]

Pro tip of the week - add 2oz of chocolate extract to a keg of this.

Wife pleaser x 1,000,000

I was thinking about doing something like this with dark chocolate syrup. Perhaps split the batch.

She like coffee, caramel, and chocolate. Seems like you cant go wrong with the original.

 

[user 40839]

I was thinking about doing something like this with dark chocolate syrup. Perhaps split the batch.

She like coffee, caramel, and chocolate. Seems like you cant go wrong with the original.

I've been working on a chocolate stout for quite a while, since Rogue's version is one of my favourite "indulgences", and the wife loves it too. I've arsed about with nibs, using creme de cacao, cocoa in the boil, adding baker's chocolate... you name it. But chocolate extract is the only way to fly, and finally gave me that bang on chocolatey taste I've been looking for (actually, Rogue's Chocolate Stout is just their Shakespeare Stout with chocolate extract added).

 

[JediJoel]

Just ordered a half batch full

I don't get it. Is this a full half batch or a half full batch?

 

[BeerWars]

I've been working on a chocolate stout for quite a while, since Rogue's version is one of my favourite "indulgences", and the wife loves it too. I've arsed about with nibs, using creme de cacao, cocoa in the boil, adding baker's chocolate... you name it. But chocolate extract is the only way to fly, and finally gave me that bang on chocolatey taste I've been looking for (actually, Rogue's Chocolate Stout is just their Shakespeare Stout with chocolate extract added).

I have just heard so much bad stuff about extracts that I am hesitant. Did you use dark chocolate extract? Is there any bite?

 

[munklunk]

I don't get it. Is this a full half batch or a half full batch?

Lets go with a half full batch. Yea. That'll work.

 

[craig_reed]

I am curious about the chocolate extract addition as well. I plan on brewing the extract version this weekend but upping the chocolate malt to .75, and possibly the lactose to .75 as well.

This looks like a great beer, and I figured I would go 3 weeks primary, 1 week secondary, 3 weeks bottles. I always use secondaries (I know many people on here don't see a reason for them) but I just like using them to remove as much sediment as I can, and never liked racking from primary to bottling bucket. In addition, I may try to 2oz whole espresso beans in the secondary as well.

So to wrap it up - upping chocolate malt, lactose
considering - 2 oz espresso beans and possibly chocolate extract at bottling

 

[user 40839]

The chocolate extract I used is one from Nielsen-Massey, which I just spotted at Sur la Table a while back. Can also get it from Amazon.

I get absolutely no bite from this, but I'm adding it glass by glass. I made the stout and kegged it a while back, and just spotted this stuff and gave it a try, adding a few drops (maybe a quarter teaspoon?) to a glass, then just pouring the stout on top. It's absolutely fantastic. Next time I brew it, I plan on just dumping a bottle while racking to the keg.

 

[craig_reed]

interesting. How many oz is that bottle? I bottle, so do you think that would still be the appropriate amount?

Also, I usually use DME for priming, do you think I should go with this extract and corn sugar instead?

 

[blizzard]

I'm planning to brew this soon. When I plug in 0.75 oz of Magnum pellets at 13.4AA and a 60 minute boil into Beer Alchemy, I get 44 IBUs. I double checked with an online calculator and got a similar result. The recipe says 27 IBU. Is my software wrong? Should I be shooting for 27 IBU, or just use roughly 0.75 oz of Magnum?

 

[Naked_Eskimo]

Just had my first glass of the Deception Cream Stout...and first impressions are it's SWEET! More so than I was expecting.

Granted, it's only been on gas for 1 week, so it's still a little flat, and maybe the carbonation will help calm it down a little.

Lovely roasted flavor in the background though!

 

[copper]

Just had my first glass of the Deception Cream Stout...and first impressions are it's SWEET! More so than I was expecting.
[...]
Lovely roasted flavor in the background though!

Mine came out with the roasted flavor very much in the fore. It's not bad, but I'm hoping that with time it will round out so it's not such an effort to find the other flavors at first.

 

[BigB]

I'm planning to brew this soon. When I plug in 0.75 oz of Magnum pellets at 13.4AA and a 60 minute boil into Beer Alchemy, I get 44 IBUs. I double checked with an online calculator and got a similar result. The recipe says 27 IBU. Is my software wrong? Should I be shooting for 27 IBU, or just use roughly 0.75 oz of Magnum?

Double check your boil volume. The OP's original recipe was a partial boil extract recipe. If you are figuring the boil volume at 6.5-7 gal, that would drive the IBU's up.

 

[Hannable1975]

OK, so Mine has been in bottles for two weeks, and I am home with pnuemonia and bored to death, so I figured I would make some lables and put them on. ( I have not bothered with lables before - I use a "cap code - but I am about to go stir crazy.)

ANYWAY, I drug the bottles from the closet, and went about putting on labels, and figured what the heck - let's see where we are at.

Carb, at room temp - very good. Surprising so. Then , not being one to waste beer, I drank it.

How was it?

Well - 2 points - 1) It was all I could do not to open another one on the spot - it was good. and 2) I'm about to go to the AHS site and order the fixings for another batch! ( This will be the first brew I have made twice - but do not want to risk waking up one day to find I do not have any on hand!)

 

[BeerWars]

How was it?

Well - 2 points - 1) It was all I could do not to open another one on the spot - it was good. and 2) I'm about to go to the AHS site and order the fixings for another batch! ( This will be the first brew I have made twice - but do not want to risk waking up one day to find I do not have any on hand!)

I like hearing this. I have 5 gallons in week 3 - I cannot wait to taste it and I certainly cannot wait for it to carb and condition.

Smelled great when I brewed it - smelled better when I secondaried it - and I can only imagine how great it is going to taste. The waiting is the hardest part.

 

[wookiemofo]

Do the majority of people secondary this? I was going to just leave it in primary for 4 weeks...

 

[craig_reed]

Is there an extract/specialty grains version of this? I went through all 20 pages and really only saw AG.

I must have missed something...

 

[CA-LT1]

I did 4 weeks in primary, 4 weeks kegged, and it was good to go.

That was the first keg...

The second one (it was a 10 gal batch) is still aging

 

[CA-LT1]

Craig, checkout the first post

 

[user 40839]

Do the majority of people secondary this? I was going to just leave it in primary for 4 weeks...

I didn't even do that. Primary for two, secondary for one on some espresso beans. Then off to the keg with it.

This is on the calendar for another batch. My keg's almost kicked, and I want more.

 

[Timboosh]

Well - 2 points - 1) It was all I could do not to open another one on the spot - it was good. and 2) I'm about to go to the AHS site and order the fixings for another batch! ( This will be the first brew I have made twice - but do not want to risk waking up one day to find I do not have any on hand!)

Waiting for this on is going to be a bit tough... I just brewed this (AG version) over the weekend and it smelled fantastic brewing, and the pre & post boil samples I took for gravity both tasted like it's going to be a FANTASTIC beer.

Pitched Saturday afternoon and saw some bubblies this morning in the blowoff container.

 

[craig_reed]

Craig, checkout the first post

So funny, I knew I saw it somewhere when I was reading through this a week or so ago - but I immediately looked at the type and it said "all grain" so I just skipped on without reading further.

Sorry about that! Thanks for the reference - I want to get this one brewed here in the next few days but will probably have to wait until this weekend. I was thinking 2 in primary, 1 in secondary and bottle for 2-3. Sound about right?

 

[BigB]

Do the majority of people secondary this? I was going to just leave it in primary for 4 weeks...

Yes, no point in putting it in a secondary because the beer is pitch black.

 

[Yalpe]

Awesome recipe. Even straight out of the fermenter I was already enjoying it!

 

[knotquiteawake]

How does this compare to something like a Left Hand Milk Stout? I've been looking all over for a PM Left Hand Clone but this looks good too. I've got to hurry and get something dark and delicious in the pipe for the cold months ahead.

 

[NCBeernut]

Just the label on that bottle makes me want to try it. mmm chocolate.

 

[NCBeernut]

How does this compare to something like a Left Hand Milk Stout? I've been looking all over for a PM Left Hand Clone but this looks good too. I've got to hurry and get something dark and delicious in the pipe for the cold months ahead.

Most commercial milk stouts have a more "milky" flavor IMHO. I would guess that they use more like the equivilant of 1 lb / 5 gallons. If you are going with that much lactose, I would probably use a reliable attenuator like Wyeast 1028.