Crushing grain for BIAB

[Morrey]

I just got my first 3 roller grain mill and looking into the grain grind for my BIAB brewing style. Since I won't have to worry about stuck sparges, can I grind more finely and be ok? I realize not to make a flour/powder grind, but can I be a bit more than lightly cracking the husk? By cracking a bit more aggressively for BIAB, will this show in my efficiency percentages? THANKS!

 

[cmb4642]

With a single crush on beer <1060 I get 60-65% and 70-75% with a double crush.

 

[Ameritoon]

I was told to get the best results from BIAB - crush it twice.

 

[brew_darrymore]

Yes, you absolutely can grind finer with BIAB. That's one of the advantages of BIAB. Your efficiency will improve for sure. I also do BIAB and get consistently 80-83% efficiency.

 

[TorMag]

Grind the crap out of it... The are numerous threads on here about the grind for BIAB. You want and need a finer grind.

 

[arnobg]

I crush with it set at .028 and get 79-81% every brew day. Don't need to double crush if you set it right first.

 

[Ike]

So, no concerns about finer crushes leading to (also finely crushed) husks finding their way through the bag and into the boil, causing astringency?

 

[TorMag]

If you bought a Wilsner bag, will be no problem

 

[petrolSpice]

With single crush I was getting 65-72% efficiency. The first time I double crushed I got 82%. I don't think it was any coincidence!

I've read about people blending their grains into powder, so don't worry yourself too much about crushing it too fine.

 

[doug293cz]

So, no concerns about finer crushes leading to (also finely crushed) husks finding their way through the bag and into the boil, causing astringency?

Astringency is caused by the pH being too high (over 6.) Keep your pH below 5.8 and you will not get astringency. If boiling alone could lead to astringency, then decocted beers would all be undrinkable.

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[doug293cz]

Double crushing is a band aid for those who can't adjust the mill they use to a fine enough crush. A correct mill setting is better than a double crush.

I set my two roll mill gap to 0.016" for BIAB.

Finer crushes give you faster conversion since gelatinization (the rate controlling step) proceeds from the surface of the grits towards the center. Smaller grits equals faster gelatinization equals faster conversion. Finer crushes can lead to better conversion efficiency (mash efficiency = conversion efficiency * lauter efficiency) when your mash time is not long enough to completely convert larger grits.

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[Morrey]

If you bought a Wilsner bag, will be no problem

Wilser bags all the way!

 

[arnobg]

As long as you use a high quality bag like Wilser bags you'll have clean wort. There is an experiment floating around somewhere comparing beer clarity between a BIAB and traditional mash/sparge. The results showed BIAB is just as clear if the rest of your process is sound.

 

[wilserbrewer]

I set my two roll mill gap to 0.016" for BIAB.



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Any trouble getting enough torque to the mill at such a tight setting?

I tried to run a tight gap on my Kegco 3 roller and I was afraid the drill was gonna rip the mill off the mounts, had to loosen it a bit lol?

As gap decreases, torque requirements skyrocket IME.

 

[wilserbrewer]

sorry double post

 

[doug293cz]

Any trouble getting enough torque to the mill at such a tight setting?

I tried to run a tight gap on my Kegco 3 roller and I was afraid the drill was gonna rip the mill off the mounts, had to loosen it a bit lol?

As gap decreases, torque requirements skyrocket IME.

No problem. I use a heavy duty HF battery powered drill. I've heard that three roll mills require more torque. My rollers are 5" long by 1-1/4" diameter vs. the Kegco's 6" by 1-1/2". The extra length and diameter both add more required torque.

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[MW66]

If you bought a Wilsner bag, will be no problem

Any comparison between the Brew Bag and the Wilsner? I like the heavy loops of the Brew Bag and haven't used a Wilsner. Is the mesh comparable? Just curious if anyone knows if there is a difference.

 

[TorMag]

Any comparison between the Brew Bag and the Wilsner? I like the heavy loops of the Brew Bag and haven't used a Wilsner. Is the mesh comparable? Just curious if anyone knows if there is a difference.

I've only used the Wilser Bag. It comes with a sturdy draw string with a plastic cinch. It is designed to fit tightly to the rim of your kettle and you strech it slightly over the rim. You also can suspend it by the cord for draining,but I don't do that, I built a PVC pipe rack that sits on top of my kettle and rest the bag on top of it for draining. I would assume the mesh is comparable.

 

[OkanaganMike]

I set my two roll mill gap to 0.016" for BIAB.

I don't have a way to measure the gap, I used a credit card as a tool as I've read that was the correct depth however I find it a bit too tight sometimes for my 2 roller set up and the grains don't engage. Rollers just spin and no grinding. Very frustrating when the hopper is full and can't get the grains between the rollers.

Edit - I use an electric 3/8 drill and works fine.

 

[kh54s10]

Agreed that you don't need to double crush. But if you don't readjust for the finer crush, you can double crush for approximately the same effect.

 

[MW66]

I don't have a way to measure the gap, I used a credit card as a tool as I've read that was the correct depth however I find it a bit too tight sometimes for my 2 roller set up and the grains don't engage. Rollers just spin and no grinding. Very frustrating when the hopper is full and can't get the grains between the rollers.

Edit - I use an electric 3/8 drill and works fine.

I believe a credit card is about 0.030". My current setup for AG is .037 for my 2 roller mill. I am just going into BIAB, so I plan to set my crush my lower, but not sure how low. Lately, I've been pre-wetting the grains and it has made a huge difference. However, does anyone do this for BIAB or is it a wasted step? I'm looking for anything that I can cut out. Right now, from start to the end of clean up, it takes me about 4.5 hours.

 

[doug293cz]

I don't have a way to measure the gap, I used a credit card as a tool as I've read that was the correct depth however I find it a bit too tight sometimes for my 2 roller set up and the grains don't engage. Rollers just spin and no grinding. Very frustrating when the hopper is full and can't get the grains between the rollers.

Edit - I use an electric 3/8 drill and works fine.

You can get a set of feeler gauges at an auto supply or hardware store for a couple of bucks.

A credit card is about 0.032" thick. If the grain won't engage the rollers at that gap, then there is something wrong. Severely worn knurling can cause this problem. My 2 roll mill has quite sharp knurling, and has no trouble engaging the kernels at 0.016".

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[brew703]

I don't have a way to measure the gap, I used a credit card as a tool as I've read that was the correct depth however I find it a bit too tight sometimes for my 2 roller set up and the grains don't engage. Rollers just spin and no grinding. Very frustrating when the hopper is full and can't get the grains between the rollers.

Edit - I use an electric 3/8 drill and works fine.

I used a credit card to set the gap on my cereal killer mill and it would not crush/crack wheat grains. So I had to re-adjust and have it set at .036. I may set my gap tighter next time and just use a Vitamix blender or food processor to crush the wheat grains.
I think my next mill will be a 3 roller but that's probably a few years down the line.

 

[OkanaganMike]

Feeler gauges! Just couldn't come up with the name for them. I could see them in my mind and think I even have a set buried away in my tool chest somewhere lol. Anyways, don't know how aggressive the knurling is (presuming they are the teeth on the roller). Don't think they are too aggressive and the mill is only a couple years old Must be that.

 

[doug293cz]

Feeler gauges! Just couldn't come up with the name for them. I could see them in my mind and think I even have a set buried away in my tool chest somewhere lol. Anyways, don't know how aggressive the knurling is (presuming they are the teeth on the roller). Don't think they are too aggressive and the mill is only a couple years old Must be that.

Yes "knurling" is the teeth.

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[wilserbrewer]

My new Kegco 3 roller is knurly!

Not sure the crush is significantly different than my Corona mill....

Can you tell the difference?View attachment ImageUploadedByHome Brew1464997396.705050.jpg

Both appear most adequate IMHO.

 

[doug293cz]

My new Kegco 3 roller is knurly!

Not sure the crush is significantly different than my Corona mill....

Can you tell the difference?View attachment 357230

Both appear most adequate IMHO.

Corona on left, Kegco on right? Agree both look good, but right looks like husks are a little less shredded (at least to me.)

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[wilserbrewer]

Corona on left, Kegco on right? Agree both look good, but right looks like husks are a little less shredded (at least to me.)



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You are correct sir, I think my sampling method was less than perfect. I believe they are more similar than the samples.

Point being they both work well IMO

I've always just adjusted mills by eye looking at the grist, feeler gauges are a nice idea, but a grain mill isn't like setting valve clearance on a Ferrari....lol

 

[Morrey]

You are correct sir, I think my sampling method was less than perfect. I believe they are more similar than the samples.

Point being they both work well IMO

I've always just adjusted mills by eye looking at the grist, feeler gauges are a nice idea, but a grain mill isn't like setting valve clearance on a Ferrari....lol

Is your mill set a bit under the .032 mark? Perhaps .029 which is where I set mine? I seemed to get a bit more powder than yours, however.

I got great brewhouse efficiency and your bag kept the wort clean so I am not leaning toward changing anything just yet.

 

[Ibrewaletx]

I use a feeler gauge on my roller mill as it has adjustments on either side, if you are not careful you will get a gap that is not even. So, personally I spent a few bucks on Amazon to get a set of feeler gauges and have it set to 0.022" for my BIAB setup with great results.