Critique my SMASH

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Green Hornet Smash Recipe

15 lbs of Maris Otter
1.75 Centennial at 60 min
1.00 Centennial at 30 min
1.00 centennial at 15 min
1.00 Centennial at 10 min
.75 Centennial at 5 min
.50 Centennial at 1 min

Irish Moss at 10 min

Safe Ale 05 (two packs, with a starter)

Single infusion, medium body, 154 degrees.

Color is a bit off for an imperial IPA, (6.7 srm, min is 8.0, and I dont care) but I wanted a Centennial SMASH IPA recipe, with 100 IBU's ( I will settle for 99.1)
OG 1.085
FG 1.024

I am concerned about the lack of crystal and or caramel malts, and their related characteristics. I am concerned about lack of foam/head. ( I keg)

Thoughts/suggestions? Please remember I would like a Imperial SMASH IPA.

If the hop schedule scares you, then I wouldnt suggest brewing this.

If you look at this hop schedule and say to yourself "WUSS!!!" :rockin:

My cooler mash tun cant handle this much grain, so this will be my first brew with the Brutus system I am building.

(EDIT: sorry, I set this up for 15lbs of Maris Otter (3.0 SRM)not two row.)

 

[FatherJack]

Wow, that's gonna have some bite to it.

I did a centennial IPA and for the first month or two it had some serious bite but after that it mellowed out nicely.

 

[Daver77]

How does a safeale 05 with a starter work?

I thought a with dry packets you don't use a starter?

 

[ReefkprZ]

with a hop schedule like that... I would make sure it is what I would be drinking for the rest of the night, since the palate will probably be thoroughly devastated after 1. not saying it like it's a bad thing.

 

[Ravenshead]

My only concern would be having enough malt flavor to support the hops. I loves me some 100+ IBUs but I also loves me some crystal to hold them up.

 

[NTOLERANCE]

How does a safeale 05 with a starter work?

I thought a with dry packets you don't use a starter?

In my bigger beers (12 lbs of grain or more) I have rehydrated dry yeast and added some priming sugar the nite before brew day to get things going.

Yes the directions on S-05 say "Pitch into wort"

 

[NTOLERANCE]

with a hop schedule like that... I would make sure it is what I would be drinking for the rest of the night, since the palate will probably be thoroughly devastated after 1. not saying it like it's a bad thing.

Yeah this will be a palate killer. Imperial IPA is one style of brew I really enjoy, and there are some good ones out there.

 

[NTOLERANCE]

My only concern would be having enough malt flavor to support the hops. I loves me some 100+ IBUs but I also loves me some crystal to hold them up.

Mine too. Some Crystal 40 would hit the color mark as well.( swapping in a few lbs of vienna would help too) This becomes a more expensive brew with the big grain bill. I may relent and add the crystal to save myself the wasted efforts.

 

[NTOLERANCE]

Any thoughts on hop flavor after the hop bite? I may dry hop a couple of ounces. I havent had much success dry hopping, but .......worth another try.

 

[Ravenshead]

Two pounds of Crystal shouldn't cost more than six bucks or so. I'd rather spend that than risk a full batch of not-so-great beer. Hell, your hops schedule cost way more than that. Lets face it, once you went big (and I applaud that BTW) adding a little Crystal became insignificant cost-wize.

You could call it an SSMASH (Single Specialty Malt And Single Hops).

I love dry hopping and do it for all my IPAs.

 

[Dang]

why not just go with 100 % vienna or munich?

 

[NTOLERANCE]

why not just go with 100 % vienna or munich?

Vienna would get me closer on color as well and its my second choice.

 

[Dang]

go for the vienna then...that'll make a tasty IPA

 

[ReefkprZ]

Any thoughts on hop flavor after the hop bite? I may dry hop a couple of ounces. I havent had much success dry hopping, but .......worth another try.

if you want some serious hop aroma/flavor after the bite your going to have to increase your late hops additions, either dry hopping or after flame-out, or on the short boils. I did the flame-out hopping with Simcoe in my Rye pa and the hop aroma was fantastic and the flavor is pretty much right there. the bite wasn't as harsh as I was hoping but its probably one of my "best yet" beers.

 

[NTOLERANCE]

I went with munich on this. 15lbs of it. Munich has a smell about it during mashing that is awesome. Beer is a bit cloudy, I seem to have that when I use alot of grain with my system. Hopeully it clears.

 

[ReefkprZ]

is it still fermenting? or are you bottling? I have found cold crashing helps clear a LOT. I still havent succefully gotten to the "filtered" look of clarity. but I have definitely dialed it back from a murky haze to a slight fog.

 

[Bob]

Wanna increase malt flavor? Decoct!

Bob

 

[NTOLERANCE]

is it still fermenting? or are you bottling? I have found cold crashing helps clear a LOT. I still havent succefully gotten to the "filtered" look of clarity. but I have definitely dialed it back from a murky haze to a slight fog.

Cleared nicely. I made two ipa's on the same day. This one and one with about 11 lbs of grain. The one with 11lbs of grain, was alot clearer right out of the kettle.

2nd IPA recipe:

Shore Leave IPA

5 Lbs Munich
5 Lbs Marris & Otter
1 lbs crystal 40L
.5 lbs Carapils

1 Oz Simicoe at 60
1 OZ EKG at 30
.5 Oz EKG at 15
.5 Oz EKG at 5

Irish moss

Safale 05

Secondary racked onto toasted oak chips.

Not a hugely different grain bill, so I am guessing it was the amount of grain that caused the initial cloudiness. Today you cant tell them apart.

 

[Rippt530]

I did a 2-row centennial SMASH a few weeks ago that just went to bottle yesterday.
https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f36/quick-fermentation-238784/
I used only 1oz of hops total. I considered dry hopping but it tasted good at my last reading. Yours will have a bit more body with the Maris Otter, but I don't know how much. Mine was 1.062 and finished at 1.005. I will let you know how it drinks in 7-14 days. I did use a starter, but only one pack of safale-05 starting about 2hrs before pitch.

So, don't worry about crystal if it's a SMASH. If you do add them, it's just an IPA. Go for the gusto and with your original recipe.

 

[jtakacs]

That's exactly how I like my ipa. Nice... Ihave a smashish ipa ready to bottle... all base w the exception of a little honey malt. Mine is light as well but that's what I wanted. Looks good. My next ipa is an maris base malt as well... really like the idea.

 

[NTOLERANCE]

I did a 2-row centennial SMASH a few weeks ago that just went to bottle yesterday.
https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f36/quick-fermentation-238784/
I used only 1oz of hops total. I considered dry hopping but it tasted good at my last reading. Yours will have a bit more body with the Maris Otter, but I don't know how much. Mine was 1.062 and finished at 1.005. I will let you know how it drinks in 7-14 days. I did use a starter, but only one pack of safale-05 starting about 2hrs before pitch.

So, don't worry about crystal if it's a SMASH. If you do add them, it's just an IPA. Go for the gusto and with your original recipe.

I dont know if I made it clear, but I did make the Smash and the regular IPA. Made them both the same day.

Green Hornet SMASH IIPA on the left, Shore Leave IPA on the right.

 

[Rippt530]

Missed the part where you actually brewed them, my mistake in reading. Are they in the fermenter, or done already? I'm interested to hear about the difference now.

 

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Ripp, I will keg condition the IIPA this week and drop the other into a secondary with the oak chips. Still a couple of weeks out before they are ready.

 

[NTOLERANCE]

PIC!!!!

This brew rocks. I dont know if I hit 100 IBUS, I am thinking I should have used leaf hops. No where near as bitter as I thought. The aroma is out of this world. Pulling a glass from the keg, all you smell is centennial. It in the foam, on youre tongue and in your burps. Great IIPA, I am pleased with the results. After a week or so in the primary, i sent it to the keg, and conditioned it at 65 degrees for almost 3 weeks. It selfed carbed (as some of my bews often do when secondary is in the keg), put it in the kegerator, two glases of seditment and its almost perfetly clear.

 

[mcaple1]

Avery Maharaja....try and clone that one if you like 100+ IBU IPA's

 

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After almost a week in the keg, she is really powering on through. The aroma is unworldly.

I love hoppy aromatic beers and I would buy this one if it were for sale. :rockin: