Not even a disturbing the peace? Slackers.PeteOz77 said:Those Gestapo... erm I mean Police Officers weren't doing their job very well if they couldn't find a reason to charge someone with SOMETHING....
kornkob said:I'd like to know what the probabe cause was that allowed them to force them all to submit to a breathalyzer. Is it now assumed that any large group of people under 21 are probably drunk?
kornkob said:I'd like to know what the probabe cause was that allowed them to force them all to submit to a breathalyzer. Is it now assumed that any large group of people under 21 are probably drunk?
MA_Brewer said:Maybe they just asked the kids, and they complied. You don't need PC to force a test if the kids just did it when asked.
I'm no expert here, but I don't buy that - For example - around here you can drive when you are 17 - if a cop pulled you over, (at 17) because they thought you were driving erradically, they wouldn't ask your parents before giving you a test, would they?shafferpilot said:Under 18? If so, the kids do not have the authority to submit themselves to testing. Did the cops ask each kid's parents for permission to test??? I didn't think so.
For example - around here you can drive when you are 17 - if a cop pulled you over, (at 17) because they thought you were driving erradically, they wouldn't ask your parents before giving you a test, would they?
nitrousjunkie said:I use to be a deputy sheriff before I joined the Air Force. The cops at this party did have PC for the test. As for the consent from a parent. Its not needed. Just like MA Brewer said. If a kid (under the age of 18) gets pulled over and there is PC that he/she is intoxicated in some form parental consent is not needed. The reason behind that is the time it may take to get the consent, the evadince may become compramised. IE sober up.
uwjester said:Some root beer has small amounts of alcohol in it, sugar fermented to carbonate. It would have been pretty funny if one or two of those kids had actually failed the test.
What bothers me about this situation (I read an article regarding this some time last week) is that supposedly the school called the police after finding out about the "kegger". Why is it that the school has any authority over these kids after 3:30 (or whenever class gets out)? I've never understood why code of conduct rules can be enforced. I don't advocate underage drinking or anything, I just don't understand why a kid can't play football/volleyball/basketball/whatever if they get caught drinking off school grounds.
shafferpilot said:The school has the right to make these rules, because it is THEIR reputation on the line. When a football team gets busted for throwing a kegger, the headline reads "Lincoln High School Football team busted!"
Police get away with questioning, searching, and investigating minors because no one understands that it isn't implicitly legal. Citizens don't care! THAT is why it is ok. BTW even an adult does NOT have to get out of the car, walk the line, follow the pen, etc. without it being on THEIR terms!! All you have to do is say these words, "I will NOT submit to any testing or investigation without the representation of my parent/lawyer." That's it. If it takes two hours for your lawyer to get there, so what. If the cops are a bunch of power hungry *****es and choose to force you out of the car, don't worry, they won't have their jobs for very long and any evidence they collect will be in the garbage can by the next morning (speaking from personal experience in a similar situation here). Children do not have the authority to provide any type of permission! Police (like so many others) will do what they want to do...... that doesn't make it appropriate or legal.
In the state of Wisconsin, operation of a motor vehicle creates implied consent laws, providing that by operating a motor vehicle, it is then implied that you consent to sobriety testing.
Refusal to submit to testing is in and of itself a criminal violation. Refusal can also be used against you later to stiffen penalties if you are found guilty.
MikeFlynn74 said:While that is true- It is still your legal right to have a lawer present. You are still consenting but are using your right to counsel as afforded by the constitution.
Also here is the problem- Even if you pass the Field sobriety Test, and breathlyser they can still arrest you and take you for blood testing. Ive seen it happen.
Your rights trump their need for revenue.
uwjester said:Some root beer has small amounts of alcohol in it, sugar fermented to carbonate. It would have been pretty funny if one or two of those kids had actually failed the test.
What bothers me about this situation (I read an article regarding this some time last week) is that supposedly the school called the police after finding out about the "kegger". Why is it that the school has any authority over these kids after 3:30 (or whenever class gets out)? I've never understood why code of conduct rules can be enforced. I don't advocate underage drinking or anything, I just don't understand why a kid can't play football/volleyball/basketball/whatever if they get caught drinking off school grounds.
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