By calling it a dead horse, using phrases like "ad nauseum," and saying that as you are better informed than those who disagree with you, you are undeniably sending the message that this topic should be quashed.
nah, if you got the impression that i wanted it quashed, i'm sorry, but that wasn't my point. i merely think a lot of people who bash BMC are very ill informed and took it upon myself to post about it.
I don't think it's a bad style (although by its design, it is fairly bland) per se. But I don't think anything branded as "Bud," "Millers," or "Coors" is a particularly well crafted version of the style. IB-AB may own other breweries which produce better versions, but their core products lack. I think Amstel light, Abita light, and PBR are all done well (without loving any of them).
have to agree with ya here, man. the standard Bud and Miller brews are fairly bad representations of a fairly bland style. Coors Banquet is an exception, i feel it's a fairly good example of the style. not a fan of Amstel, although it's not terrible. i've tasted one Abita brew i liked, Turbodogg, the rest were meh, at best. as for PBR, i think it's a very nice beer, considering the style. PBR and Hamm's are fairly nice beers, IMO.
While I'll admit to being a beer snob, you misunderstood my snarkery. I actually am a big fan of Guiness. What I was reacting to was the notion that InBev-AB had any effect whatsoever on the popularity of Guiness or that we "yanks" would never have heard about it without them.
well, good, i was wondering about the sanity of a person who doesn't like Guinness.
it's good beer. i do beg to differ on the effect of AB-InBev to it's popularity, though. i think a lot of the more recent surge of popularity is directly related to the marketing that came on after In-Bev bought them out. that's when all the gimmicky stuff and the sunday afternoon football ads started.
I actually did read what you wrote and I saw that in this area we agree. I reposted this sentiment because I can't understand how you at the same time feel this way but have no idea how people can rail against BMC.
i know why people carry this sentiment, and i actually respect the views of those who who feel this way. as i respect the views of anyone who has an informed opinion on anything, regardless of the subject matter. that said, i find it silly for one to go around saying they never buy BMC products when chances are they do so without realizing it. thus the statement about people being ill-informed.
As to "one man boycotts" I think we've heard enough from people who actually do boycott the core products (because that's what turns them off) to acknowledge its much bigger than a one man issue. Just because you don't want to participate in a crusade to change business practices of giants doesn't mean that other's desire to do just that are invalid.
saying you boycott a company because you don't buy some of their products is like saying you boycott petroleum companies because you drive and electric car, full of plastic parts, while drinking bottled water. avoiding a brand or a product because you don't care for it isn't boycotting if you're still buying other products made by that company. IDK, maybe some people actually do really boycott BMC, but i find it hard to believe that it's that common considering the breadth of InBev's holdings.
And my butt feels just fine, thank you!
wow, i meant 'butt hurt' in a figurative manner. but i'm happy for ya.
How is it any more appropriate there than here? This is a community where people have shared interests and where we don't stick to talking strictly about brewing beer. This is a perfectly appropriate place for it.
i guess i feel that home brewers should have some insight on all things beer and maybe that's my shortcoming. it just seems like the kinda of snobbery that you see on those sites, and you don't see it much here. (these BMC threads, excluded, of course)
But to belittle people's views and thoughts (which you did) screams of the same hypocrisy you called out in some of your examples.
i wasn't trying to belittle anyone. by saying people are ill-informed on the subject, i meant no offense. i simply meant to open the eyes of those who may not know about how vast the AB-InBev or MillerCoors empires actually reach. if you recall, my post about how i dislike the average BMC slam was prompted by a poster asking for some insight on the subject. i posted some links after looking around the web for some info. when i edited a few times to post further info, i noticed a lot of BMC bashing and decided to throw my $.02 into the thread as well.
the fact is, i actually agree that these companies are very harmful to the craft beer industry, and wish it wasn't that way. i'm just not going to avoid every In-Bev affiliated beer over it, i'd be selling my love for beer short if i did. if that's your definition of hypocrisy, sorry, but i don't see it that way.
i guess my issue here is that i wanted to open some eyes on the subject. in doing so i spoke my mind which obviously rubbed you the wrong way. i won't apologize for that, like everyone else here i'm entitled to do so if i please. i didn't feel that i was being offensive to anyone in particular, nor was it my intention, and if i was it was merely because the 'ill-informed' shoe fit.
edit: the two of us can hug if ya like. i think it's a good debate, and i have no feelings either way, i hope the same goes for Cimirie.... it might be kinda weird tho, i hardly know the guy.