Consecration kit from MoreBeer

[RPh_Guy]

You said "light is not a friend of most any living thing."
I pointed out that this statement is false because plants and algae are alive and need sunlight. The smiley was to help ease the blow in case you're easily offended.
I wasn't making any kind of comparison.

Do you have any sources of scientific data that indicate light is harmful for unhopped beer? If no, then what's your basis for that assertion?
I'm really interested.

Which compounds in beer are damaged by UV and/or visible light? What reactions do they undergo?

 

[passedpawn]

technically, your uncle isn't alive...

True. Undead.

 

[suprchunk]

You said "light is not a friend of most any living thing."
I pointed out that this statement is false because plants and algae are alive and need sunlight. The smiley was to help ease the blow in case you're easily offended.
I wasn't making any kind of comparison.

Do you have any sources of scientific data that indicate light is harmful for unhopped beer? If no, then what's your basis for that assertion?
I'm really interested.

Which compounds in beer are damaged by UV and/or visible light? What reactions do they undergo?

Ah, I see. You think light is good for living things. Well keep the light on it indefinitely and see. Light is not a friend of most any living thing. Either is oxygen, hydrogen, ........

But if you think that you might think the life cycle of what is in your beer and a plant can be compared.

Or you can take what someone says in the context of the subject being discussed, surprisingly it's beer in this case, and take it out of context to do what exactly?

My assertion, I guess common sense. I noticed a few others had used this as well, but somehow you took umbrage with my use of it. I see delving out help with sprigs of anecdotal humor is met with antagonism from the newbs. Take care, and well wishes.

 

[RPh_Guy]

My assertion, I guess common sense.

I was looking for science.
That's fine if you can't help. No reason to take it so personally that I doubt your assertion without seeing any scientific evidence or even an anecdote.

Probably the most research on the affect of light in unhopped fermented beverages is with wines ... However grapes contain a lot of photosensitive compounds that beer doesn't, like pigments.
Commercial white wine, rose wine, fruit wine, and cider are frequently packaged in clear bottles, so there must not be too much of an issue with light, despite retail lights being on all day and all night in some cases.

I've never heard of anyone getting a skunked sour beer in a carboy. .. or any beer for that matter. Must be pretty rare.

Brew on!

 

[bracconiere]

You are comparing plants, that need light in order to grow, with a product that has yeast, phenols, esters, and myriad other compounds in it and wonder how they differ?

in rph-guy's defense, and in my confusion....don't plants contain esters, phenols, and myriad of other compounds? lol

edit: (as a sub-note, cocaine is an ester and it needs light...)

 

[Burndog]

Help!

I brewed this per the recipe (5 gallons) noted on prior pages and added Brettanomyces. I actually added them twice as the LBS gave me the first vile which was past expiration.

It's been 10 months and while the taste is good, the sourness is not anywhere near where it should be as I did a side by side with Consecration.

Should I re-pitch more Brett? I've already close transferred half the batch to a 2.6 keg and carbonated. Really disappointed after investing so much time in this one.

 

[andrewmaixner]

Brett does not sour. You need pedio and/or hop-tolerant lacto. They can also be found in various commercial sour beer dregs.
Another option is direct lactic acid addition (generally frowned on, but an option), or blending with an amount of way-too-sour beer.

http://www.milkthefunk.com/wiki/Main_Page

 

[TrickyDick]

Agreed! Grab a bottle of good sour beer and add the dregs. Did you use the Roselare (?) yeast blend for primary?

 

[Burndog]

Agreed! Grab a bottle of good sour beer and add the dregs. Did you use the Roselare (?) yeast blend for primary?

Yes, I did use Roselare as the primary. I just ordered up some more and will split it between the 2 gals in the small keg and the remaining cart boy qty.

 

[jrgtr42]

I brewed this beer some time ago per the kit, and was happy with it.
I brewed it again a couple years ago, making some changes. Instead of the currents, I used Montmorency cherries. Instead of sticking with the staves (I tossed those in as well) I had oak cubes soaking in rum for a few months, then tossed those in. I liked this batch better than the first.
But you need to use a souring blend, Pedio, Lacto, etc, along with the Brett, to get the right character.
I used the Imperial Sour Batch Kids blend, supplemented by dregs from a few different beers I had in the meantime. If I had a sour beer while that was in secondary, I'd save a bit plus the dregs any add them in to the secondary.

 

[Jayjay1976]

I brewed up a mini-mash version last Saturday based on Morebeer's kit sheet. I fermented it warm with 3522 Ardennes and now that it's just about finished up I'm racking it to secondary onto 2lbs of Sun-Maid zante currents and pitching 3278 Lambic blend. I don't have a RR barrel chunk so I'll be adding cabernet-soaked oak chips at the ~3 month mark.