Cloning HopHands by Tired Hands Brewing Company

[zodiak3000]

anyone having issues dry hopping 1318? i have one going right now and the krausen is still solid after 10 days (the beer reached FG in 4 days). i went ahead and dry hopped anyway and now the hops are just sitting on top of the krausen without much beer contact. ive tried raising temp and rousing every couple days with no luck. looking back, i probably should have cold crashed to drop the cake, then raised temp again to dry hop. hoping to get the right aroma on this one...

 

[pmcint01]

Try shaking the fermenter to clear the krausen

 

[jjbanks]

Brewed this 10 days ago and just took a sample hydrometer reading. OG: 1.042, currently at 1.010. I'll give another day or two at close to room temp to see if i can get a few more points before i dry hop.





Question: The sample i took was pretty plain tasting and almost had a lager feel. Will most of the hop flavor come from the dry hop? Should i be concerned? Did anyone else have the same results before the massive 6oz. dry hop?





I'm thinking of adding an extra ounce of hops after the dry hop to the keg as well.

 

[Coff]

Brewed this 10 days ago and just took a sample hydrometer reading. OG: 1.042, currently at 1.010. I'll give another day or two at close to room temp to see if i can get a few more points before i dry hop.

Question: The sample i took was pretty plain tasting and almost had a lager feel. Will most of the hop flavor come from the dry hop? Should i be concerned? Did anyone else have the same results before the massive 6oz. dry hop?

I'm thinking of adding an extra ounce of hops after the dry hop to the keg as well.

What yeast did you use? This beer does rely on a huge dry hop but I wouldnt say it tastes plain pre dry hop at all.

 

[jjbanks]

what yeast did you use? This beer does rely on a huge dry hop but i wouldnt say it tastes plain pre dry hop at all.

s04

 

[Coff]

s04

It definitely shouldn't be "lager like" but clean isnt too surprising. S04 works well in this beer but it really comes together after the massive dry hop.

 

[bmiller8]

Just read through this entire thread. Used to live in Philly and loved TH so I'm excited to have this on tap.

Coff, is the recipe on the first page your latest and greatest in your opinion?

 

[jjbanks]

Just read through this entire thread. Used to live in Philly and loved TH so I'm excited to have this on tap.

Coff, is the recipe on the first page your latest and greatest in your opinion?

I think their beers are actually getting better. Over the last year they've been putting out even better quality. Went there a few days ago. Alien Church IPA...wow

 

[Coff]

Just read through this entire thread. Used to live in Philly and loved TH so I'm excited to have this on tap.

Coff, is the recipe on the first page your latest and greatest in your opinion?

I just tapped a version with 1318 and have to agree with the other folks who have used it, it nails it in this beer. Whether thats the strain they use or not it gets you insanely close. I have had the most luck with 18% Oats, but the hopping imo is perfect.

 

[jjbanks]

It definitely shouldn't be "lager like" but clean isnt too surprising. S04 works well in this beer but it really comes together after the massive dry hop.

Any thoughts on adding an ounce of amarillo to the keg? Will that throw off the hop profile at all or just boost the tropical hop flavor a bit. First time kegging a homebrew tomorrow morning. THanks!

 

[ryancrook]

You should dry hop with two ounces each of amarillo Simcoe and Centennial

 

[jjbanks]

You should dry hop with two ounces each of amarillo Simcoe and Centennial

I already dry hopped it with 2 ounces of each. I'm talking about adding an ounce to the keg as I serve it for a little extra punch.

 

[ryancrook]

Ah, if you want to do that then go for it but I've made this recipe before and it's extremely punchy in the hop department already. I'm not sure if an ounce will be that impactful

 

[ryancrook]

You can always taste it first and see if it needs it!

 

[jjbanks]

You can always taste it first and see if it needs it!

I just gambled and added it in. 1 ounce of leaf Amarillo. Will be tasting with carbonation on Saturday but so far tastes great. Lots of grapefruit in my batch. Will report back with pics and notes.

 

[Coff]

Ah, if you want to do that then go for it but I've made this recipe before and it's extremely punchy in the hop department already. I'm not sure if an ounce will be that impactful

I agree with this.

But I would always taste it a see if it needs something else. But with 6oz of dry hops I cannot imagine it needing much more

 

[dstar26t]

Dryhop it once a week, if the beer lasts that long.

 

[jjbanks]

Well, well... I tasted this today which was my first kegged brew. Wow! Taste is fresh tropical and citrusy hops.

Great recipe and really my first great homebrew. I've had hop hands a few times and think if I were to have a dead on clone Id have more oats added but nevertheless, this recipe tastes great. I may actually like mine more than hophands.

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[exileonmainst]

What are people's thoughts on cold crashing this beer or fining it?

Mine was done fermenting yesterday and in the PET bottle it was a bright, hazy off-yellow color. Much like the real thing. Last night I decided to cold crash it down to 50 to hopefully compact the trub. This morning I checked it and now it's much more clear and a brownish color. Don't know what I really expected because of course that's what the cold crash does, but it doesn't really look like HopHands anymore. I'm still gonna dry hop it in the keg so maybe it will ultimately look different in the glass, but I'm wondering if I should have left the yeast and stuff in suspension? I used 1318 btw.

 

[jjbanks]

What are people's thoughts on cold crashing this beer or fining it?

Mine was done fermenting yesterday and in the PET bottle it was a bright, hazy off-yellow color. Much like the real thing. Last night I decided to cold crash it down to 50 to hopefully compact the trub. This morning I checked it and now it's much more clear and a brownish color. Don't know what I really expected because of course that's what the cold crash does, but it doesn't really look like HopHands anymore. I'm still gonna dry hop it in the keg so maybe it will ultimately look different in the glass, but I'm wondering if I should have left the yeast and stuff in suspension? I used 1318 btw.

The picture i posted above i dry hopped for a week then cold crashed for 24 hours @ 40 degrees before racking to keg. It was very clear and bright before dry hopping but after i have the hazy tired hands ipa look. I think the the dry hop will still give it a hazy color. I also added an extra ounce of keg hopping (amarillo).

 

[atom]

brewed another version of this last weekend. i went with:

80% pale ale malt
15% oats
5% golden naked oats

i always seems to get better efficiency than i plan for with these simple grainbills... got 80% and 11 gallons at 1.052.

also tried 1318 for the first time...gonna let it go for 10 days, dryhop 4 or 5 and keg.

 

[mintyice]

What are people's thoughts on cold crashing this beer or fining it?

Mine was done fermenting yesterday and in the PET bottle it was a bright, hazy off-yellow color. Much like the real thing. Last night I decided to cold crash it down to 50 to hopefully compact the trub. This morning I checked it and now it's much more clear and a brownish color. Don't know what I really expected because of course that's what the cold crash does, but it doesn't really look like HopHands anymore. I'm still gonna dry hop it in the keg so maybe it will ultimately look different in the glass, but I'm wondering if I should have left the yeast and stuff in suspension? I used 1318 btw.

You can use gelatin but it kind of changes the character. I think the yeast in suspension adds to the mouthfeel of the beer and give it a character that gets lost when you drop it all out. You can perceive it as being 'cleaner' but then it isn't as much of a clone. Let it be hazy and beautiful!

 

[Coff]

I wouldnt fine this beer. Ive hit it with gelatin before and, like Mintyice said, the hop character suffered. Cod crashing prior to dry hopping is fine, but its gonna get cloudy again once you dry hop. With time the beer will settle, I dont normally bother with anything other than cold conditioning in the keg, the fresher and less finings the better IMO.

On a recent batch with 1318 I forgot Whirlfloc, now that isnt the best idea. Its soooo murky, brought it to a wedding and it looks like juice and I was worried folks might not dig it. Twas wrong, we kicked nearly 2 kegs at a wedding of only 75 people.

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[exileonmainst]

Thanks for the replies.

When I took a sample after the cold crash (prior to dry hopping) it actually looked fine in the hydro jar. Cloudy, bright yellow/orange like it should be. The color of beer in the fermenter always throws me off. I can never predict what it will actually look like in a glass.

Shooting to tap it Saturday or Sunday. The sample was very promising even without the dry hops.

 

[ryancrook]

Anyone try dry hopping in the primary when you were at 90% attenuation? I did this with a blonde ale with great success. The hops help clear all the yeast, and the yeast cleaned up any oxygen I introduced. The results were a hazy but yeast and hop debris free beer.

 

[Coff]

Anyone try dry hopping in the primary when you were at 90% attenuation? I did this with a blonde ale with great success. The hops help clear all the yeast, and the yeast cleaned up any oxygen I introduced. The results were a hazy but yeast and hop debris free beer.

Yes, Ive done it in the past and with the beer I spoke about 2 posts up. In this case I did it bc I was under the gun to get the beer finished, as well has having 10 gallons in a Spiedel and didnt want to dry hop 2 kegs. It worked well but its not my normal process.

 

[BumpyAZ]

I'm thinking about brewing this one but I'm not a fan of centennial (i often get soapy notes from it). So, I was thinking of replacing it, probably with cascade. SWMBO tends to favor the pale ales/IPAs with more of a juicy character. So, I'm gonna go with mosaic in place of the simcoe. Think this will be a good combination for the beer?

 

[leesmith]

BumpyAZ,

I just did a version with all Mosaic....it came out good...friends and family liked it....nice aroma and smooth flavor...do what what you want and see what happens

 

[nnfdcane]

Hey guys, pretty new to home brewing and would love to give this a try! I do 1 gallon BIAB. Could someone please tell me the correct amount of grains and hops I should be using?

Thanks

 

[exileonmainst]

Brewed this three weeks ago and it's pretty damn good. Thanks for all the work on the recipe! Now I need to get back to TH for a growler so I can do a side by side. I used 1318 for the yeast and subbed in Mosiac instead of Simcoe. One thing I noticed is HopHands is currently 5.5%. I believe it used to be 4.5% and that's what the clone is targeted as? Could be wrong though. Whatever, I prefer it at a more sessionable strength for I can drink more of it.

I have a question about the head on this beer. Mine really has very little and I'm not sure why. This is my first kegged beer, so I could be doing something wrong altogether. Any ideas? Notes below:

-I really doubt there's a gas leak since it's been on the gas for over a week and the canister isn't empty.
-I dry hopped in the keg and still have all 6 ounces in there (pellets inside a tight knit voile bag) so that could be doing something.
-Initially I put the keg on 25 PSI for a day or two to try to quick-carb it, then I decreased it down to about 10 for the past 6 days or so.
-It feels lightly carbonated in the mouth and will foam slightly when shook, but the head is minimal.
-Next step I guess will be to remove the dry hop bag and maybe shake the keg?