Cloning HopHands by Tired Hands Brewing Company

[grassfeeder]

maybe try to FWH it as well, making the battering additions a bit 'softer'

 

[mintyice]

I always do 0.25oz Columbus for pretty much everything and calculate my IBUs based on whirlpool additions. It can get more bitter depending on how long you wait until you hit 185F. I'll do a 5min addition, but when I cut the heat, I chill down to 185F in about a minute. If you are waiting 20mins to hit 185F instead of chilling to 185F, then those 5 minute additions get more bitter. Either just move them to right at flameout, or just add more hops at 185F.

 

[chlehb]

I actually did FWH this beer.
Getting to 85°C (185°F) for the whirlpool addition wouldn't have taken too long either, my immersion chiller is pretty fast. I'll have to read up on that DH article!

edit: Interesting article! As this beer is low IBU and my hops were stored lose than ideally (higher percentage of oxidized alpha acids), I can well imagine that the heavy DH increased my IBUs. However, the hydrometer sample I tried was already very bitter and the bitterness is rather harsh, not smooth as described in the article.

 

[AfroHopster]

So could I use like
5lbs of pale ale malt
4lbs of Thomas facuett oat malt
1.5lbs of flaked oats

 

[Oldskewl]

I actually did FWH this beer.
Getting to 85°C (185°F) for the whirlpool addition wouldn't have taken too long either, my immersion chiller is pretty fast. I'll have to read up on that DH article!

edit: Interesting article! As this beer is low IBU and my hops were stored lose than ideally (higher percentage of oxidized alpha acids), I can well imagine that the heavy DH increased my IBUs. However, the hydrometer sample I tried was already very bitter and the bitterness is rather harsh, not smooth as described in the article.

I just had my first couple glasses of my Hop Hands clone and it turned out very good! Aroma is awesome, initial hop flavor is awesome, but the aftertaste is more bitter than I remember Hop Hands being. Still a very good beer, but may try to tame the bitter finish in my next batch as well. I will see how it develops over the next week or two before I make any decisions.

So could I use like
5lbs of pale ale malt
4lbs of Thomas facuett oat malt
1.5lbs of flaked oats

I am not an expert on Oat malt, but people seem to be using similar amounts of oat malt as they would flaked malt. Your total oat% is over 50%. I would cut that back to the 15-25% range depending on what you are trying to accomplish. I am happy with the mouth feel of mine at 18%.

Not the best pic but thought I would share

 

[droder1]

Does anyone have a report yet on oat malt vs flaked oats? (As in, flavor or mouthfeel differences).

 

[tagz]

Apparently Jean has used both at tired hands. They started with flaked, and switched to malted when their supplier was out during one of their orders. He said he loved aroma it produced during mashing so much that he stuck with it. Sounded like the difference in the end product was small. Can't relay any personal experience though; I've only used flaked.

 

[grassfeeder]

Going to be doing this recipe in a couple of days. Looking forward to the results!

Brew Method: All Grain
Style Name: American IPA
Boil Time: 60 min
Batch Size: 5.5 gallons (fermentor volume)
Boil Size: 7.5 gallons
Boil Gravity: 1.052
Efficiency: 63% (brew house)


STATS:
Original Gravity: 1.072
Final Gravity: 1.018
ABV (standard): 7.06%
IBU (tinseth): 32.47
SRM (morey): 5.26

FERMENTABLES:
13 lb - American - Pale 2-Row (78.8%)
0.5 lb - Corn Sugar - Dextrose (3%)
0.5 lb - American - Caramel / Crystal 10L (3%)
0.5 lb - American - Carapils (Dextrine Malt) (3%)
1 lb - American - White Wheat (6.1%)
1 lb - Flaked Oats (6.1%)

HOPS:
1 oz - Mosaic, Type: Pellet, AA: 12.5, Use: Boil for 30 min, IBU: 32.47
2 oz - Galaxy, Type: Pellet, AA: 14.25, Use: Whirlpool for 30 min at 170 °F
2 oz - El Dorado, Type: Pellet, AA: 15.7, Use: Whirlpool for 30 min at 170 °F
2 oz - Mosaic, Type: Pellet, AA: 12.5, Use: Whirlpool for 30 min at 170 °F
3 oz - Galaxy, Type: Pellet, AA: 14.25, Use: Dry Hop for 5 days
3 oz - El Dorado, Type: Pellet, AA: 15.7, Use: Dry Hop for 5 days
3 oz - Mosaic, Type: Pellet, AA: 12.5, Use: Dry Hop for 5 days

MASH GUIDELINES:
1) Infusion, Temp: 150 F, Time: 60 min, Amount: 5.03 gal
2) Sparge, Temp: 168 F, Time: 15 min, Amount: 4.42 gal
Starting Mash Thickness: 1.25 qt/lb

YEAST:
Imperial Yeast - A04 Barbarian (vermont ale yeast)
Starter: Yes
Form: Liquid
Attenuation (avg): 73%
Flocculation: Medium
Optimum Temp: 62 - 70 F
Fermentation Temp: 65 F

 

[MerlinWerks]

Reminds me of an old Tom Waits song

 

[Oldskewl]

Reminds me of an old Tom Waits song

Had to look that one up. Couldn't think of the song. For those that don't know Tom Wait, "The Piano's been Drinking"

 

[Coff]

Does anyone have a report yet on oat malt vs flaked oats? (As in, flavor or mouthfeel differences).

Im going live with a blog post on this topic tomorrow.

 

[atom]

Im going live with a blog post on this topic tomorrow.

awesome! i've been wondering about this.

 

[crusader1612]

Im going live with a blog post on this topic tomorrow.

Good to hear.
I'll be interested to see the difference between malt and flaked.

On a side note, I've got this locked in for next week.
Simcoe / Mosaic / Nelson-Sauvin.
I will be fining with Gelatin, as per my normal process though. (no sense in changing what works right?)
I'll also be using a different yeast, but more on that when I report back.

 

[droder1]

awesome! i've been wondering about this.

Me as well. Have an 20% oat malt beer queued up for this weekend ( where I'd otherwise use flaked oats), but not a side by side. However, Ed knows this recipe well so he surely will be well nuanced in the evaluation.

On a related note, has anyone done a side by side with a pale or ipa with malted white wheat and flaked wheat? Similar curiosity there, raw adjunct vs malted.

 

[Ruckusz28]

I've used flaked wheat vs white wheat in a side by side. It seemed the flaked wheat beer had more body. The white wheat beer had less body, but still plenty to suffice for the style I was shooting for.

 

[Wahoo]

Does anyone have a report yet on oat malt vs flaked oats? (As in, flavor or mouthfeel differences).

One thing to consider is that malted oats have a substantial husk. This can be a good thing, in that it really helps with runoff, similar to the way rice hulls do.

On the other hand, it can be tricky to mill because each grain is more narrow than malted barley. I tend to run it through twice but even then it isn't finely crushes. The other thing to consider is that if you're doing a 1:1 sub of malted oats for flaked oats, flaked oats are all "meat" and malted oats have this husk, so you may take an efficiency hit. I haven't measured that but common sense tells me that should be the case.

 

[Coff]

One thing to consider is that malted oats have a substantial husk. This can be a good thing, in that it really helps with runoff, similar to the way rice hulls do.

On the other hand, it can be tricky to mill because each grain is more narrow than malted barley. I tend to run it through twice but even then it isn't finely crushes. The other thing to consider is that if you're doing a 1:1 sub of malted oats for flaked oats, flaked oats are all "meat" and malted oats have this husk, so you may take an efficiency hit. I haven't measured that but common sense tells me that should be the case.

This is exactly my experience, good advice here.

 

[atom]

Im going live with a blog post on this topic tomorrow.

ed, where's the blog??

edit: posted as soon as i asked!

 

[atom]

looks like i'll be ordering some malted oats...anyone got a good supplier?

 

[mintyice]

looks like i'll be ordering some malted oats...anyone got a good supplier?

http://www.ritebrew.com/product-p/801159.htm

 

[Coff]

ed, where's the blog??

edit: posted as soon as i asked!

Ha, I got it out there. For those interested.

http://www.alesoftheriverwards.com/2016/07/brewing-nepa-with-thomas-fawcett-malted.html

 

[Coff]

http://www.ritebrew.com/product-p/801159.htm

Wow, thats the best price Ive seen yet. Good find.

 

[Oldskewl]

Thanks for the write up Ed! I just got my Oat Malt in the mail this week. Anxious to try it in a couple weeks on another try at HopWards with Mosaic instead of Simcoe. I'll definitely double crush that Oat Malt separately. Using Breiss 2 row this time as well instead of CMC Pale Malt.

 

[atom]

Wow, thats the best price Ive seen yet. Good find.

price is good but shipping kills it for me. i think i'm going with love2brew.

 

[mintyice]

What final gravities have people been getting with 1318? I think my last few have been ending up higher than normal.

 

[jjw5015]

Just checked a DIPA I brewed 2 weeks ago with it and it went from 1.074 to 1.015 ish

 

[AfroHopster]

What final gravities have people been getting with 1318? I think my last few have been ending up higher than normal.

Yes mines started at 1.060 and only made it to 1.028 kept it at 66 for 9 days

 

[AfroHopster]

What final gravities have people been getting with 1318? I think my last few have been ending up higher than normal.

Yes mines started at 1.060 and only made it to 1.028 kept it at 66 for 9 days

 

[Oldskewl]

Using a fresh pack of 1318 mine went from 1.054 to 1.012. Gonna try the harvested yeast on the next batch.

 

[Ruckusz28]

My most recent experience with 1318 stepped up 2nd generation with a starter took a 1.088 down to 1.012 in about 15 days in the high 60sF ambient temp.