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dafad36

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What kind of success have people had with clone beer recipes. I see some seriously appetizing clone ideas in a older copy of BYO magazine that talks about hoppy ales that really interest me (Hop Rod Rye in particular). I just want to know if clone recipes are just "guidelines" or true to taste recipes. Basically, if you have used a commercial clone recipe and had great success please share.
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I've never done a clone from a recipe, just kits. I did two batches (different yeasts) of Roque Mocha Porter clone from austinhomebrew.com last week. Mini-mashes. Very tasty wort. One was just moved to the keg yesterday and is fantastic. The other goes to the secondary tommorrow. We plan on doing a comparison after turkeyday.

The RMP clone kits had simpler bills than RMP, different hops and, of course, different yeast (since pacman isn't available). Judging from the gravity samples this kit is spot on!

I have also done extract and extract with specialty grain clone kits from williams brewing and northern brewer.
 
dafad36 said:
What kind of success have people had with clone beer recipes.
I've done five brews out of Clone Brews and Beer Captured. The recipes are great, the instructions are easy to follow, and it's great to be able to brew exactly what you want to drink. For a newby like myself, I think brewing these is the way to go...it's no more difficult than using kits, and I think you learn a lot more. :cool:
 
I think you will find that "clone" recipes are guidelines only. That doesn't mean they don't make good beer, it means that if you put the commercial example right next to your beer, I'll bet they don't taste the same. In fact, I'll bet in some instances they are distant cousins twice removed.

Anytime someone gives out a recipe, especially an all-grain recipe, it's going to be different for each brewer because everyone brews a little differently. Fermentation temps, ingredient quality, how you treat your yeast, whether you bottle or keg, all of these impact the final product.

The best thing to do is find a recipe that looks interesting, brew it, taste it critically, make changes accordingly, then brew it several more times, making small adjustments each time as your taste buds guide you. Once you hit on a recipe that gives you what you want, if you pass it on to someone else, you'll find that they can brew it exactly as you describe, and it won't taste like yours. Beer is funny that way. It's hard enough just to brew the same beer twice in a row. Once upon a time, our homebrew club did an experiment where 4 of us brewed the exact same all-grain recipe. We all got our grain from the same sack, hops from the same bag, followed the exact specs (OG, mash temps, bitterness, boil time, etc), used the same yeast, and ended up with 4 different beers. Yes, they all tasted similar in that you could tell they were all British Ales, but 4 different beers nonetheless. THe only difference was the brewers and the equipment.

So, all this is a long winded way of saying - don't be dissappointed if your first shot out of the gate on a clone recipe doesn't "wow" you. It's a process - just keep tweaking.

Prosit!
 
My opinion on the matter is your "clone" version will be as good as you want it to be. That said--take the beer you want to clone, and from the clone books, set guidelines on your expectations of it. What did it tasste like the very first time you had it?
I'll give you an example from my experience. I used to LOVE Newcastle Brown Ale. I can remember the very first time I had it, I got this nutty, caramel flavor that blew me away. When I did my clone, I wanted to make sure to replicate that. I doubt you'll ever get an exact version of any brew you try to clone, but you'll learn that you may even be able to improve it according to your tastes.
I'll bet your very first version of whatever you are cloning will be as good or better than what you were shooting for.
 
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