Can you Brew It recipe for Stone Arrogant Bastard

[BeerPressure]

I don't remember seeing bags of Special B when I was at stone, at least, not enough to warrant the amount that they brew Arrogant Bastard. But yeah, lots of bags of C150 though.

permo: I've seen at stone sometimes they throw in a keg-hopped version on cask, so the precedent is there.

Theyre secretive about the A.B. recipe so maybe they hide special b bags?

 

[maida7]

Theyre secretive about the A.B. recipe so maybe they hide special b bags?

That would make it "Secret B"

 

[Hoppocrates]

I am wondering how they came up with the second recipe? I am wondering if C150 might be the lone dark crystal as opposed to special B? I know stone uses C150.....I am not sayin...but I am just sayin.

regardless, I am brewing this new one up and convention be damned, I am dry hopping with centennial and columbus. Aromatic Bastard!

I think they said that they saw an interview from many years ago that said the inspiration for this beer was a single hop, single malt, single specialty grain beer. Then they used the IPA as a basis, though I do not remember exactly how...

 

[EarthBound]

I was searching for this recipe for differences on the net and did read that Stone always use WLP007 for their high-grav beers which I'm pretty sure is not accurate.

The recipes that Stone has published ( , ) all use WLP002.

I'll keep an eye out for updates to this recipe.

That you for posting those recipes.

 

[balto charlie]

I was looking to use up 4 ounces of Chinook leaf, looks like I found my recipe. Thanks
Do we know what the FG is for AB? Mash temp 154F?? Thanks

 

[EricCSU]

I was looking to use up 4 ounces of Chinook leaf, looks like I found my recipe. Thanks
Do we know what the FG is for AB? Mash temp 154F?? Thanks

I will provide an updated recipe when I have time and the rebrew episode is released on iTunes.

Eric

 

[EricCSU]

Hey, don't forget you left the 2nd post in this thread as a future place holder for the re-brew recipe.

I wish I could do that. Editing old posts is disabled.

Eric

 

[MikeG]

I was looking to use up 4 ounces of Chinook leaf, looks like I found my recipe. Thanks
Do we know what the FG is for AB? Mash temp 154F?? Thanks

BeerPressure posted 148F for mash temp. I set my recipe up for a SG for 1.066 like he had and I'm guessing I'll end up with 1.012-1.016 for my FG. I plan on brewing on Sunday, made my starter yesterday (Thanksgiving).

 

[balto charlie]

thanks, If I go 90/10 w/ 2 row and SB my SRM is too dark so I backed off on the SB. Might be my computer screen though. Here's what I got so far w/ efficiency @ 75%. Feel free to critique.

Arrogant Bastard Clone
American Strong Ale

Type: All Grain
Date: 12/4/2010
Batch Size: 5.50 gal
Boil Size: 7.33 gal Asst Brewer:
Boil Time: 90 min Equipment: Brew Pot (12.5 gal) and Igloo Cooler (10 Gal)
Taste Rating(out of 50): ? Brewhouse Efficiency: 75%

Ingredients

Amount Item Type % or IBU
12.50 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) UK (3.0 SRM) Grain 91.58 %
1.15 lb Special B Malt (180.0 SRM) Grain 8.42 %
1.00 oz Chinook [12.40 %] (85 min) Hops 35.8 IBU
1.00 oz Chinook [12.40 %] (45 min) Hops 31.0 IBU
1.00 oz Chinook [12.40 %] (15 min) Hops 16.7 IBU
1.00 oz Chinook [12.40 %] (0 min) Hops -
1 Pkgs Dry English Ale (White Labs #WLP007) Yeast-Ale



Beer Profile

Est Original Gravity: 1.066 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.016 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 6.55 %
Bitterness: 83.5 IBU Calories: 43 cal/pint
Est Color: 20.1 SRM Color: Color


Mash Profile

Mash Name: Single Infusion, Light Body, Batch Sparge Total Grain Weight: 13.65 lb
Sparge Water: 4.95 gal Grain Temperature: 72.0 F
Sparge Temperature: 168.0 F TunTemperature: 72.0 F
Adjust Temp for Equipment: FALSE Mash PH: 5.4 PH

Single Infusion, Light Body, Batch Sparge Step Time Name Description Step Temp
75 min Mash In Add 17.06 qt of water at 161.4 F 150.0 F

 

[MikeG]

thanks, If I go 90/10 w/ 2 row and SB my SRM is too dark so I backed off on the SB. Might be my computer screen though. Here's what I got so far w/ efficiency @ 75%. Feel free to critique.

...

Looks pretty good to me. I'll post mine below, keeping the 90/10 and the color is a little darker. I'm going to try to ferment mine a little warmer, trickier to do for me since my basement is now at 65F.

 

[MikeG]

My version: 6 gal. The hops I'll just convert to 7/8 oz since I have it in bulk; if I was buying an oz at a time I would round up and simply add the full oz. Will prob end up mashing closer to 150F, not that big of a deal to me and try to keep the fermentation temps closer to 70F if possible.

Recipe Specifications
--------------------------
Batch Size: 6.00 gal
Boil Size: 8.38 gal
Estimated OG: 1.067 SG
Estimated Color: 21.7 SRM
Estimated IBU: 74.5 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00 %
Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Ingredients:
------------
Amount Item Type % or IBU
13.50 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 90.00 %
1.50 lb Special B Malt (180.0 SRM) Grain 10.00 %
0.85 oz Chinook [13.00 %] (85 min) Hops 32.0 IBU
0.85 oz Chinook [13.00 %] (45 min) Hops 27.6 IBU
0.85 oz Chinook [13.00 %] (15 min) Hops 14.9 IBU
0.85 oz Chinook [13.00 %] (0 min) Hops -
1 Pkgs Dry English Ale (White Labs #WLP007) Yeast-Ale


Mash Schedule: My Mash
Total Grain Weight: 15.00 lb
----------------------------
My Mash
Step Time Name Description Step Temp
40 min Step Add 18.75 qt of water at 159.1 F 148.0 F

 

[oldschool]

On their first attempt, I could have told them up front that it wasn't enough hops

 

[HItransplant]

anyone have an idea/suggestion on mash thickness?

also, I have about 1.75 oz of colombus hops that Im thinking about using for the first addition or two (dont want it to go to waste).. i know that will make it a different beer...Im just wondering:

1. How different?
2. should I just match IBU contribution for my addition weights?
3. Will this change the flavor so much that I should I just leave the colombus in the freezer and buy another 2 oz of chinook.

thoughts?

im gonna brew this next weekend so any suggestions would be great.

cheers.

 

[samc]

If you want to be as close as possible, use the Chinook like they suggest. With Colombus you will have a fine beer, it just won't be AB.

I've subbed things before on clones and been elated and disappointed depending on how wild and crazy I got.

 

[HItransplant]

If you want to be as close as possible, use the Chinook like they suggest. With Colombus you will have a fine beer, it just won't be AB.

I've subbed things before on clones and been elated and disappointed depending on how wild and crazy I got.

thanks samc


anyone have a suggestion for mash thickness? 1.1, 1.3?

Looks like MikeG is going with 1.25, so, unless anyone has a better suggestion, Ill go with that.

 

[HItransplant]

water profile?

 

[Freezeblade]

water profile?

If it's anything like the rest of the stone beers, they take the local San Diego water, dilute it 50/50 with RO water, and then use salts to get as close to London Water as possible.

San Diego water profile:
Ca++: 37
CO3--: 115
Cl-: 95
Mg++: 18
Na+: 83
SO4--: 160

At least, that's what I've heard.

 

[pipapat]

this is madness if its that simple.

keep me posted.

 

[balto charlie]

anyone have an idea/suggestion on mash thickness?

also, I have about 1.75 oz of colombus hops that Im thinking about using for the first addition or two (dont want it to go to waste).. i know that will make it a different beer...Im just wondering:

1. How different?
2. should I just match IBU contribution for my addition weights?
3. Will this change the flavor so much that I should I just leave the colombus in the freezer and buy another 2 oz of chinook.

thoughts?

im gonna brew this next weekend so any suggestions would be great.

cheers.

I'm also brewing this on the weekend. I see no problem using the Colombus for the 85 minute bittering, make sure IBUs match. After that(45....0) I would use Chinook. I am going with 1.25 mash thickness. I also switched my grains to get to 90/10 w/ OG1.066. I'll post later. I'm going with a 5.5 gallon brew, numbers are close to Mikes but lower as he went with 6 gallons. I hope to make my starter this Thursday for a Saturday or Sunday brew.

 

[pipapat]

if i didnt have a mead too bottle along with kegging 3 batches i would brew this Sunday.

 

[DrawTap88]

Not that I have been following this thread at all, but I just made a beer using the first-wort hopping method and I thought that brought the same hop taste that I got from SAB. Just thought I'd toss that hand grenade out there for you guys.

 

[HexKrak]

I didn't realize how much a smaller boil would affect hop utilization (more learning provided by the College of hard Knocks) so mine won't be nearly bitter enough, but here's the details on my first partial mash AB attempt.

http://beer.hexkrak.com/2010/11/23/my-first-arrogant-bastard-clone-attempt/

Next time I'm going to mash more 2 row and cut some of the Light LME since I found I still had plenty of room in my brew pot. I'll also fix my hops schedule so that I come out around 67 IBU.

 

[balto charlie]

Here' my recipe for AB Saturday brew: (still too dark)
Arrogant Bastard Clone
Old Ale (This is considered an American Strong Ale)

Type: All Grain
Date: 12/4/2010
Batch Size: 5.50 gal
Boil Size: 7.33 gal Asst Brewer:
Boil Time: 90 min Equipment: Brew Pot (12.5 gal) and Igloo Cooler (10 Gal)
Taste Rating(out of 50): 35.0 Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00

Ingredients

Amount Item Type % or IBU
12.42 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) UK (3.0 SRM) Grain 90.00 %
1.38 lb Special B Malt (180.0 SRM) Grain 10.00 %
0.90 oz Chinook [12.40 %] (85 min) Hops 32.1 IBU
0.90 oz Chinook [12.40 %] (45 min) Hops 27.7 IBU
0.90 oz Chinook [12.40 %] (15 min) Hops 15.0 IBU
0.90 oz Chinook [12.40 %] (0 min) Hops -
1 Pkgs Dry English Ale (White Labs #WLP007) Yeast-Ale

Beer Profile

Est Original Gravity: 1.066 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.016 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 6.61 %
Bitterness: 74.9 IBU Calories: 43 cal/pint
Est Color: 22.4 SRM Color: Color

Mash Profile

Mash Name:
Single Infusion, Light Body, Batch Sparge Total Grain Weight: 13.80 lb
Sparge Water: 4.92 gal Grain Temperature: 72.0 F
Sparge Temperature: 168.0 F TunTemperature: 72.0 F
Adjust Temp for Equipment: FALSE Mash PH: 5.4 PH

Single Infusion, Light Body, Batch Sparge Step Time Name Description Step Temp
75 min Mash In Add 17.25 qt of water at 161.4 F 150.0 F

 

[BeerPressure]

http://thebrewingnetwork.com/shows/697

here it is.

 

[balto charlie]

Made my 007 starter last night. Saturday or Sunday will be brew day! Going to cold around here.

 

[EricCSU]

Here is the updated recipe from the re-brew show:

SG: 1066
IBU 94.8
SRM 22.5

90 minute boil

90% US 2-row 6.5kg
10% Special B 730g

24g chinook 13%AA @ 85m
24g chinook @ 45m
24g chinook @15m
24g chinook @ 0m

WLP007

Mash at 148F

Notes:
The majority deemed this cloned, but Tasty (the brewer) believes that he could get the recipe closer and would like to brew this again. Jamil believes that the only difference is a slight change in aroma, which he believes is due to pasteurization of the Stone AB.

 

[HItransplant]

Made my 007 starter last night. Saturday or Sunday will be brew day! Going to cold around here.

sweet, Im gonna try this recipe this weekend too!! Making the starter tonight for a monday brew day.

let us know how it goes .

 

[bmason1623]

would S-04 (and two packages) be recommended instead of WLP007 which I don't have a source for? TIA

 

[Hoppocrates]

1 package should do it (mrmalty says 1.3) and I would not hesitate to use S-04 in place of WLP007...

 

[bmason1623]

1 package should do it (mrmalty says 1.3) and I would not hesitate to use S-04 in place of WLP007...

Is there any harm in using 2 packets?