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brentt03

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I know it sounds crazy, but I'm from the country and there's nothing like the smell of fired tobacco barns in the cool fall air. So how about making a smoked porter or stout by smoking tobacco leaves just like they do in the barn?? Crazy? Possible??
 
Possible... Yes!

Crazy... YES!

Would I drink it? He!! no!

Sorry, but I think it's a really bad idea. Tobacco has some nasty, dangerous stuff in it!
 
Stauffbier said:
Possible... Yes!

Crazy... YES!

Would I drink it? He!! no!

Sorry, but I think it's a really bad idea. Tobacco has some nasty, dangerous stuff in it!

Agreed.
 
I remember a similar thread awhile back. I say if u want to try it than try it. Write down your recipe and tasting thoughts. If it works out for u than great. That's brewing. I personally think raw tobacco uncured smells great, I wouldnt ever smoke, chew, or brew with it but that's just me. Judging by the cig butts and spit bottles I'd guess that I'm not an authority on the subject.
 
I remember a similar thread awhile back. I say if u want to try it than try it. Write down your recipe and tasting thoughts. If it works out for u than great. That's brewing. I personally think raw tobacco uncured smells great, I wouldnt ever smoke, chew, or brew with it but that's just me. Judging by the cig butts and spit bottles I'd guess that I'm not an authority on the subject.

I remember that thread too, and if I remember correct the general consensus was that you would basically be creating poisonous beer.

I'm all for experimenting, but some things just shouldn't be done.

Just my opinion, though...
 
yeah, I remember that as well and also recall the consensus was poisonous beer.
 
I don't mind smoking, chewing, or dipping tobacco on occasion, but have you ever swallowed tobacco juice before? Either from chewing tobacco or dip?

I don't know about you, but even a little bit makes me feel sick to my stomach. I would imagine beer with tobacco in it would make me even sicker from the larger quantity. I'm sure it would smell nice though....
 
Stauffbier said:
I remember that thread too, and if I remember correct the general consensus was that you would basically be creating poisonous beer.

I'm all for experimenting, but some things just shouldn't be done.

Just my opinion, though...

Totally agree, but I also Agree that smoking and chewing are poisonous and people continue to do it anyway. Not placating, just saying. bTW altria is a wicked corp/stock again just saying. I never got the smoking or chewing thing but I see it everywhere. Probably not the best idea but there is also the caffiene/alcohol industry creating some nasty stuff that folks actually like and buy.
 
knowing full well the negative health effects of tobacco and the fact there are likely a good amount of pesticide on non-organic tobacco, I'd say

a) dont burn it, your beer will taste like ash

b) add it to the secondary. The concept should be similar to adding tea leaves to your beer. you could do this by making a tobacco tea then adding the water or just adding a few ounces of leaves straight into the secondary and letting it steep at room temp for a couple weeks. my guess is your result will largely depend on the type of tobacco you use.

c)find organic or all natural tobacco. the last thing you need is pesticide in your beer.

d)experiment on small batches, since this is such a radical idea.

e)look in to nicotine extraction and find out if it is soluble in water, sugar, or alcohol. i dont think mixing alcohol and nicotine would necessarily be unsafe, but it's worth looking into.

Personally I would prefer to just smoke a macanudo and drink my homebrew. but for the most part i like things simple and separate.
 
Kinda my thoughts as well and I definitely don't wanna make poisonous beer!!! I'll just keep it as a crazy idea I had lol!!

people should have no illusions, any beverage containing alcohol is poisonous to the human body. we can tolerate and process a certain amount with relatively low long term negative health effects. But this doesnt change the fact that alcohol is a poison, and its effect is inebriation. so technically we all make poisonous beer :p

I say give it a try in a one gallon batch. worst case scenario your out 20 bucks and you know you tried.
 
I have seen nicotine poison made. They took tobacco out of a couple cigs and boiled the **** out of it and then strained the solids out. The result was a black resinous goo that was used on top of bait in rat traps. The **** was extremely lethal.

Please do not put tobacco in your beer
 
A good way to make an organic insecticide, not good for beer. Ingesting nicotine is a bad idea.

From your friendly nation poison control center:

"The LD50 of nicotine is 30–60 mg (0.5–1.0 mg/kg) can be a lethal dosage for adult humans. Nicotine therefore has a high toxicity in comparison to many other alkaloids such as cocaine"
 
Not again...these things need to die, before someone on here does.

This is a NEW reference on the dangers of doing this...it's geared towards bartenders, and really folks like us, who want to play with tobacco in alcohol. Read it.

I'll even make it easy for you, since it's SO IMPORTANT that you understand this.

We've recently become aware of a surge in the number of bartenders creating homemade tobacco spirit infusions and bitters - most of which simply involve leaving a cigar in a bottle of spirit. Often, these are presented in competitions, but we've also seen five-star hotel bars with such products on the back-bar and are generally conscious of it becoming more widespread. It worried us a bit, thinking about the potential risks of toxicity in such a concentrated form, and then we discovered that Darcy S. O'Neil, a molecular pathologist and occasional bartender, already shared our concerns.

For some reason bartenders are drawn to the idea of infusing spirits with tobacco. After I made a statement that "tobacco infusions are a bad idea", I've had a number of people ask me why. The simple answer is toxicity, but that answer doesn't provide the details intelligent bartenders are looking for, so I've expanded on the question. If you are thinking about doing a tobacco infusion, this is a must-read article. If you go to bars where a tobacco-infused cocktail might show up on the menu, this is a must-read article.

Having worked in labs for a good part of my life, I've been subjected to enough safety training and accident reviews to have a healthy respect for the dangers that lurk below seemingly innocuous things.

A couple of days a week I work in a histology lab where I spend my time preparing tissue samples for researchers. One of the pieces of equipment we use is a microtome, which cuts sections of tissue as fine as 3 microns. For perspective, a human hair is roughly 100 microns. The trick to cutting things so fine is to use a really sharp blade. Now, no matter how many times we tell people to use extreme caution when cutting, there are always a few nasty cuts. It takes almost no pressure for the blade to slice through flesh resulting in a blood, stitches and a lot of paper work.

To date I have not cut myself, but there have been a few close calls. Please don't tell me to knock on wood. The reason I've avoided carving up my digits is because I'm keenly aware of the dangers. I'm almost robotic in my use of the safety devices and my reactions when something goes wrong.

So what does this have to do with infusing spirits with tobacco? Well, it just demonstrates that no matter what position you are in, you must be aware of the dangers and take precautions. In the case of tobacco infusions, the nicotine in tobacco is extremely toxic. To compare, here are some numbers for other well know toxins:

Lethal Dose
Arsenic 200mg
Strychnine 75mg
Hydrogen Cyanide 60mg
Nicotine 60mg

You are reading that correctly: nicotine is just as toxic as hydrogen cyanide (HCN). Considering HCN was used for chemical warfare purposes and suicide pills, the fact that nicotine is equally as toxic should give a person pause before incorporating it into a drink. Also, even if you don't hit the toxic levels, there are still serious side-effects with lower doses.

Let's do some maths to understand where a tobacco-infused spirit can go wrong.

A single cigarette contains 10 to 20mg of nicotine, but a smoker only gets a fraction of that amount, typically 2 to 3mg of nicotine with the other portion being burned away or not inhaled, but still a buzz worthy dose. In a liquid extraction or infusion process the yield of nicotine will be much higher.

Let's say you take 5 grams of tobacco, with 15mg of nicotine per gram, and infuse that into 250ml of vodka. That means that each 30ml (one ounce) of infused vodka will have roughly 9mg of nicotine. Even though it's not at the toxic level, if someone were to do a shot, they'd get a seriously objectionable rush. A few rounds of cocktails made with this infusion would lead to bad results.

The second problem is that non-smokers have no tolerance for nicotine. I don't smoke, but I know many people that do and they always talk about the rush they had when they started smoking, many of them said they felt ill after their first cigarette. Let's say that's only 2mg of nicotine, if a non-smoker sucked back a cocktail with 3 or 4mg of nicotine it would probably be a very unpleasant experience.

Then of course there is the compounded hangover of nicotine and alcohol withdrawal. Probably not fun.

I trust bartenders to make Manhattans and Margaritas, and many times they can't even get those simple recipes right. Knowing that, would you trust them enough to dose your cocktail with hydrogen cyanide? How about the equally toxic nicotine? Unlike other things, I find that nicotine is a bit too toxic to work with safely and I'm apprehensive at the thought of drinking tobacco-infused cocktails. Even if they aren't lethal, there are still the unpleasant side-effects I can live without.

As for the concept of cold-smoking a spirit (i.e. infusing the smoke into the spirit) this is a safer approach, since the nicotine levels will be lower. I have tried a sample of this before and the end result can be quite harsh. The flavour was reminiscent of a cigarette butt in beer bottle. Yes, back before smoking was banned in bars, I was unfortunate enough to take a swig of a bottle of beer that someone used as an ashtray. You can't forget that flavour. It makes me wonder why people would even want to drink a Nicotini.

If you operate a bar, or work in at one, I'd say you definitely need to consider liability issues if you are serving tobacco infused cocktails. There have been a number of questions about making a distillate with tobacco and whether the nicotine would distill over. As far as I can tell if you made an infusion of tobacco and distilled it, the nictine would not be in the final product. The boiling point of nicotine is 247C so it's unlikely to pass over during distillation.

This article is reproduced with kind permission of Darcy S. O'Neil who first published it earlier this year on his www.artofdrink.com blog

Hot steep/cold steep it doesn't matter. Read what I posted above. We've dealt with this before on here, that's why I keep the info handy, for when someone gets this idea in their head..

I grew up in a time when just about everyone with a garden had a jar of cigarettes in water. Back in the 70's it was thought to be a good idea for gardeners who had to deal with aphids to take a bunch of cigarettes and steep them in water in a mason jar, and whenever you had aphids to spray some of that on the plant. All the grown ups had these jars of brown liquid usually up on the top shelf of the garage out of reach. I was a kid was told to keep away, but you know how some kids are, you tell them and they then can't stay away. And even if you can't read, you can climb, and that jar is mighty tempting.

A kid in my town died from drinking some.

If this isn't enough info to show you what a stupid and dangerous idea this is, I can fill this thread with it.
 
brentt03 said:
Kinda my thoughts as well and I definitely don't wanna make poisonous beer!!! I'll just keep it as a crazy idea I had lol!!

From OP. So can we nip this in the bud and agree to stop this thread?
 
Reminds me of the Simpsons Tomacco episode.

It tastes like Grandma...I want some more!
 
Yeah, all the methods of tobacco use only give you a small amount of nicotine but you can die from the tiniest amounts if ingested. Much like inmates dying in tobacco-free jails who swallow bags of contraband tobacco and have them burst in their stomach. Doesn't seem like a pleasant death either.
 
the only problem I see is getting sick from the tobacco. Drinking 5 gallons (or however much) of a tobacco beer won't give u cancer (unless its repeated for years) but it would be like drinking a bottle of chew spit with beer added. Sounds like it would turn your stomach after an all nighter or a six pack/ "sick pack" also unaged/unfermented tobacco has high concentrations of nicotine, could make your very sick. Probably sicker than the first time you ever used tobacco
 
the only problem I see is getting sick from the tobacco. Drinking 5 gallons (or however much) of a tobacco beer won't give u cancer (unless its repeated for years) but it would be like drinking a bottle of chew spit with beer added. Sounds like it would turn your stomach after an all nighter or a six pack/ "sick pack" also unaged/unfermented tobacco has high concentrations of nicotine, could make your very sick. Probably sicker than the first time you ever used tobacco

Did you read what I posted, It can make you very dead. Not talking about the cancer aspects...talking about the POISON aspect of it when putting it into a liquid form.

Is this so hard for folks to grasp?
 
Revvy said:
Did you read what I posted, It can make you very dead. Not talking about the cancer aspects...talking about the POISON aspect of it when putting it into a liquid form.

Is this so hard for folks to grasp?

I got it. It may give you a buzz. It may kill you. But with no way to measure the nicotine level it's Russian roulette.
 
Using tobacco in the beer is a really bad idea, granted. What about smoking grains using tobacco? You should get far far less nicotine that way. I wonder what sort of smell(stale cig smoke stinks)/taste(probably terrible)/would the nicotine instill in the grains? Not that I want to do it, but I can ponder.

Note: Please do not kill yourself brewing with tobacco.
 

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