BIAB brew stand with hoist and pump

[smokewater]

The baskets make less of a mess when you let them drain above the brew kettle. Easier to line up over the kettle.

 

[fortydegnorth]

The basket has four areas that act as standoffs and lift the basket up maybe 1/4" off the bottom. Bolts could easily be added to lift it higher.

 

[goybar]

So how does that work with your ball valve?

Clearly the ball valve would lift it higher off of the bottom than 1/4", so how does that affect the lid from sitting properly on the top?

-Chris

 

[TacoBrew]

I've done up to 25 lbs with my biab keggle, no basket. With a good stitch I wouldn't worry about the bag ripping. You will have to add more water after the mash though. I doubt you could fit full volume and the grain. Also make sure your keggle top is as wide as possible. Don't want the bag catching on the cut edge.

OP I would love your setup. Very efficient. How long does that burner take to reach mash/boil?

 

[wilserbrewer]

Water test is done. Everyone can relax now about tipping.......including me.

Tipping was never a concern to me...one could merely unhook the basket while it is still over the kettle. Rather than an outrigger, adding weight to the stand would give added stability...like a crane w/ counterweights. Already said it once...but worth saying again...nice build!

I've done up to 25 lbs with my biab keggle, no basket. With a good stitch I wouldn't worry about the bag ripping.

I have to agree, w/ a well stitched bag, ripping is not really a concern...someday soon I will load test a bag...but I would guess 100 lbs plus before a problem.

 

[fortydegnorth]

The basket sits down in the kettle, without measuring I'd say over an inch. Right now I don't have a diptube, just a weldess valve. There is enough room for the basket to fit without disturbing the valve so the basket still sits on the bottom of the kettle. To get all the liquid out I would have to tip the kettle while the pump sucks it out. I will eventually raise the kettle or modify it to allow a diptube to drain the kettle nearly dry. The lid would still fit even if it was raised off the bottom within reason.

A little creative plumbing would allow a bottom drain so the basket would still be nearly on the bottom. I'd worry about the heat on the valve at that point though.

"Tacobrew"- I haven't brewed on the stand yet so I'm not sure on how long to boil or reach temps. I'll try it out in a few weeks when my fermenters and kegs get empty.

 

[user 110623]

I don't have read all the previous poste and I don't know if someone already told you but the horizontal angle that hold the bottom of the crane was not a good choise. For the same amound of steel, a square section will be 10 time stronger than this angle. With the bucket full, it will cause torsion in the angle and angles are not good to resit to torsion. It may work, all depend of the size of the angle and the weight of basket. Trust me, I have enough structure classes to know what i'm talking about. But it's a nice build, good job.

 

[NRF]

Very nice build!

Thanks for posting the eye candy for us all to enjoy. Please let us know how that first batch comes out.

 

[fortydegnorth]

I understand all the structural things that are being talked about but you have to remember that this hoist is going to be holding 40 pounds. I could duct tape a dowel rod to the side of the stand and it would hold for a while. Most of these brew stands are incredibly over built to hold very little weight in relation to there structural stability. I would guess most Brutus stands could hold a few tons if they didn't have cheap casters. I just used what I had and I was hanging over 100 pounds off the side and the stand didn't budge. I'm willing to take the risk of using a 6" long piece of 3"x3" angle to hold less than 60 pounds for ten minutes.

 

[wilserbrewer]

I understand all the structural things that are being talked about but you have to remember that this hoist is going to be holding 40 pounds. I could duct tape a dowel rod ....

Yea I hear ya. But if you had done the stand differently, you could use the hoist to lift the front of your truck while changing out the brakes

I love this stand!

 

[LuiInIdaho]

Nice build. I love the simplicity of this stand. Nothing but the essentials.

Mark

 

[BrewHaas]

Update please!

 

[jtcweb]

Can you give me details on the natural gas burner? This is exactly where I want to be - BIAB over natural gas with 5 or 10 gallons final output.

 

[speedoguy]

Have you Brewed with this rig yet? If so how did that go? Im Looking to build something based on this design, It looks fantastic.

 

[fortydegnorth]

I hate to admit it, but I haven't brewed with this stand yet. Last year I was on a roll brewing and this year has been filled with other projects and it's been incredibly hot for here. I recently built a fermentation chamber so the heat won't matter as much. I'll be back to brewing soon. The burner is a typical wok burner and it puts out some serious heat. I have no doubts that this will brew the same quality of beer that my Brutus system did. Thanks for the compliments.

 

[pigroaster]

Looks like a winner design which should be manufactured real soon. Nice ideas in action and compact! Great for guys like me with lifting issues!

 

[limulus]

Very cool idea. It reminds me of two things...the 200L Braumeister and this shop crane I have in my garage. Please pardon the mess, I was working on my boat.

 

[KPSquared]

You have inspired me sir! I'm totally into overkill just because it's fun to build stuff big, I usually love how it looks, and peoples reactions are great (especially the "why didn't you do it this other way, it's WAY easier" people)

I'm planning a all in one eBIAB set-up, with your stand and crane idea as inspiration. Don't know when I'll actually get this project off the ground, but keep an eye out!

Maybe it's just cause my favorite colour is red. . .

 

[TitusCooker]

Hey Fortydegnorth,

I have attempted something similar with a aluminum kettle and the inserted basket. The problem I found, on a 10 gal BIAB setup, is that the weight and the handle are incompatible. When raising the basket, the handle pulls the sides in. This was with only about 20 lbs of grain. I'm curious how a fully loaded basket like yours will work with the weight of the grain and water. Have you tried a dead pull yet? Toss a number of weights into it, to simulate grain and water, and pull it up with your winch?

A cross beam handle would evenly distribute the weight. The rest of the rig is gorgeous. My next brewery build, I would like to incorporate some of your ideas. Very well done.

 

[rekoob]

I have one word... WOW!
Awesome build.

 

[Layne]

Great loooking rig!

 

[slyk9]

I too am eagerly awaiting the first brew report! This design has so much potential. All in one BIAB with a small footprint. It looks like something that could be fabricated for a reasonable price. There's a guy on the Aussie Homebrewer site that is doing something similar but it doesn't look nearly as sturdy.
http://www.aussiehomebrewer.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=43286


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[speedoguy]

Hey Fortydegnorth,

I have attempted something similar with a aluminum kettle and the inserted basket. The problem I found, on a 10 gal BIAB setup, is that the weight and the handle are incompatible. When raising the basket, the handle pulls the sides in. This was with only about 20 lbs of grain. I'm curious how a fully loaded basket like yours will work with the weight of the grain and water. Have you tried a dead pull yet? Toss a number of weights into it, to simulate grain and water, and pull it up with your winch?

A cross beam handle would evenly distribute the weight. The rest of the rig is gorgeous. My next brewery build, I would like to incorporate some of your ideas. Very well done.

Curious as to which pot/ steamer basket you are using? I was going to attempt to build this with pot and steamer

http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-202038911/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&keyword=turkey+fryer&storeId=10051#.UCwqtqBlN8E

 

[KPSquared]

I'm sure that would work. Op used a bayou classic. I would try and flex the basket before I bought it. You'd have a good idea if strength that way.

 

[fortydegnorth]

I'm getting closer to brewing again. Kegs are empty and the weather is cooling off finally. I'm trying to finish another project, a sand rail build, before brewing. So many projects with so little time. Thanks for all the comments. Full brewing report soon I hope.

 

[fortydegnorth]

As far as the sides of the basket pulling in with weight, the bayou classic pots are more than strong enough. To test the tipping capacity I stacked over 40# of weight into the basket, hanging from the handle, and it didn't move at all. The trick is a heavy stainless basket with a rolled upper lip for strength. Aluminum is probably fine too if it's thick enough with a reinforced lip.

 

[TitusCooker]

I think my 10 gal bayou classic pot would have been fine if I hadn't tried to modify it, which required removing the handle, and it got a bit of a kink in the rolled lip. The handle also got trimmed a little, which might account for the pulling in more than their stock design. Glad to hear it has held up for you with such a larger version. I have built a 3 tier and use BIAB with a set of pipes in a tripod configuration (and a chain puller), but eventually want to combine the two... And by that I mean a single unit, where I can do standard 3 keggle all grain brew and/or with a arm and winch attachment to do BIAB's. Since seeing this, I even contemplated having that piece be removable and standalone, as needed.

 

[TitusCooker]

Speedoguy,
I had the bayou classic 40 quart. Very similar to that picture, but as it was pointed out, I removed the handle and put it back after adding a cloth bag, and put a little damage on the rolled lip, not to mention the handle got shortened. So, I probably caused my own problem. I might just have to replace the inner steamer basket. I will say that the 10 gal is just enough to do a 5 gal batch of a 1.075 beer. Your 80 quart should be good for a 10 gal batch.

 

[NYC]

Awesome build, subscribed!

 

[speedoguy]

Speedoguy,
I had the bayou classic 40 quart. Very similar to that picture, but as it was pointed out, I removed the handle and put it back after adding a cloth bag, and put a little damage on the rolled lip, not to mention the handle got shortened. So, I probably caused my own problem. I might just have to replace the inner steamer basket. I will say that the 10 gal is just enough to do a 5 gal batch of a 1.075 beer. Your 80 quart should be good for a 10 gal batch.

I purchased the brinkman 80 qt pot, I just loaded it with 2 20lbs dumb dumb bells, it didnt flex at all when I lifted it :rockin:


I'm in the process of building my weldless version of this stand, everything has gone pretty smooth so far, now I'm getting to the part that I have been fearing, building the hoist. I might end up having to find someone to weld one for me