Best Stainless Conical???

[Doctor_M]

Is this a commercial brewery I am assuming?

Can I ask why the Brewers Hardware and Glacier are the winners? Lack of weldless fittings and true sanitary CIP solution?

TD

Yes it is a "commercial" brewery but on my level I am more like an advanced home brewer that gets paid to brew home brew sized batches. I brew on a Sabco Brew Magic two batches a day four times a week. We have a 20 gallon boil kettle so I net 16 or so gallons post boil. Our 10bbl is ordered and should be here and installed in March.

And yes they win because of welded TC, their lid/ gasket design. I realize unlike Blichmann and Brewtech you have to CIP but that wasnt what was asked.

If I had to choose one I would go with Brewers Hardware since it comes with butterfly valves unlike Glacier that comes with ball valves (those can be replaced though)

 

[augiedoggy]

Yes it is a "commercial" brewery but on my level I am more like an advanced home brewer that gets paid to brew home brew sized batches. I brew on a Sabco Brew Magic two batches a day four times a week. We have a 20 gallon boil kettle so I net 16 or so gallons post boil. Our 10bbl is ordered and should be here and installed in March.

And yes they win because of welded TC, their lid/ gasket design. I realize unlike Blichmann and Brewtech you have to CIP but that wasnt what was asked.

If I had to choose one I would go with Brewers Hardware since it comes with butterfly valves unlike Glacier that comes with ball valves (those can be replaced though)

The guys that make Glaciers and brew hardware fermenters sell this series of smaller home brewing conicals too although I havent seen them being distributed by anyone stateside yet.. I'll admit they kinda look like repurposed milk containers but have a nice sealing system on to to pressurize them.

http://www.aliexpress.com/store/pro...r-fruit-wine-fermenter/326617_1806945757.html
I saved this New Tek machinery in my favorites... They make and offer a lot of nano and micro brewing equipment it seems. It is odd they advertise the butterfly valves with the brew hardware style ones but make no mention of them on their more expensive glacier ones like you said.

 

[branman]

I agree with Doctor M, the ability to pressurize, the easy break down and sanitizing, for me the option to extend the legs and put a sight tube on for capturing yeast and what not, and the insulated jacketed ones I would think would be easier to deal with than coils (don't have that one yet). IMO that's what sets Brewershardware out front. Down side is they're not cheap but you will have to pay if you want "the best SS Conical"

 

[rivalry15]

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[rivalry15]

I have a Half Barrel BME Chronical that I haven't used yet. Mainly because I need to setup temp control for it since it wont fit in my existing fermchamber.

Anyway, my only negative thoughts on it are exactly on the weldless sample valve, thermal probe and chiller coil when everything else is sanitary tri-clover. I'm guessing this is a cost savings move but I think its the biggest drawback that I can see so far. Other than that it seems like a nice upgrade over my better Bottles and Big Mouth Bubblers and I cant wait to use it.

Question: Any tips on ensuring that the weldless fittings dont leak when I get the wort in this thing? That's my biggest concern...

I have a brew bucket with the same fittings. As long as you tighten them enough without warping the o-ring, you'll be fine. I have yet to see any leaks out of the fittings.

 

[tjpfeister]

Figures this thread would take off AFTER I purchase my own conical. Well, I'll throw my squirt of fuel on this little fire in hopes that more discussion on the matter occurs for future purchasers.

First, let me say that I am still working my new fermenter into my system and I am sure that there will be more complications that arise as I do such. That said, I'll run down the reasons for my purchase and why I am satisfied or otherwise.

I am not sure if the OP made a decision yet, but as the previous seven pages point out, THERE ARE A LOT OF CHOICES. Money talks, and is a factor for many homebrewers. I work a middleclass job, have three kids to feed, and a wife who would murder me if I bought what I really wanted. So, like most of the rest of you, I did a price vs. quality comparison. In my mind, that basically brought it down to one of two choices: SSbrewtech or BruGear.

Like many others, I did not like the "large" percentage of negative publicity BruGear has accumulated... But what needs to be considered is the relatively small amount of reviews out there. Negative reviews are to be expected as butt-hurt individuals have a hurt in their butt... This happens. Now, by comparison, SSbrewtech has GREAT reviews and an amazing FAQ section supporting their product. Where BruGear stumbles in public relations, SSbrewtech excels! But, let us address the elephant in the room: NO ONE WANTS TO SPEND THIS MUCH AND HAVE WELDLESS FITTINGS. The very thought of bulkhead fittings brings back memories of building my first mashtun out of an igloo cooler, and I was not having that. I was willing to pay more to avoid that silly hole. As the BruGear unit is very similar, this is what ultimately led me to my decision.

I placed my order for a Bru-Gear 14 gallon Profermenter and had it one week later, shipped to my shop, with the TC ball valve upgrade for approximately $585. Now, unfortunately, BruGear forgot one of the five promised 1.5" clamps. I made them aware of their mistake by way of their website and waited 24 hours without response. Not to panic yet, I dug through my digital receipt and found a direct email address. I received an apology from them exactly 1 hour after emailing them, they got the clamp in the mail the next day with expedited shipping. 2 days later, it was in my possession. Unfortunate? Yes. Bad customer service? Hell-no!

So I've had the conical in my possession for a couple weeks now, I finally found some time to give it a thorough cleaning yesterday and contemplate what fittings, sight-glass, CIP ball, etc I would like to put on it. I've made a short list of things that I will have to change, these make my "cons" list. So here's my pros and cons as compared to the SSbrewtech option of the same price-point:


PROS
- sanitary tri-clamp thermowell and a nice bi-metal thermometer (chronical has a weldless fitting a digital thermometer)
- 3" TC opening on lid (chronical has 1.5")
- 1" ball valve for racking and 1.5" butterfly valve for dumping (chronical has 1/2" and 3/4" respectively)
- Racking arm is a fully welded assembly (chronical has on o-ring fit dealy that pushes into the valve port)
- Includes a 1.5" TC to 1/2" 90* barb for blow-off (chronical includes a rubber stopper for an airlock)

CONS
- No leg extensions, feet welded on in a fashion that will require cutting the legs off to build a feasible extension (chronical has threaded leg extensions, a convenient accessory if you are over 4' tall)
- Racking tube, as built, will leave behind 3 quarts of liquid. Seems like a lot of waste, considering the ability to dump trub/yeast out of the bottom valve. (The SSBT FAQ states that the chronical leaves behind less than 1 quart.)
- Shipping. There's no way around it, you have to get it shipped from Bru-Gear themselves... I know, we all hate paying shipping. I saved a few coins shipping it to my shop, which is a commercial address. (chronicals are available from several retailers who offer free or cheap shipping, and are currently being offered with free shipping direct from the manufacturer)


Over-all, I am happy with my purchase and would do it again. Do I think that SSbrewtech has a great product? Yes, but I think that for the same price, that the Bru-Gear unit is a better deal. But I am frustrated that I will have to physically modify this brand new unit to get (what I consider) common sense results.


I'll upload photos from my phone in the next post. I hope that this helps someone else's decision making process.

 

[tjpfeister]

Picture 1 - the 3 quarts left behind
Picture 2 - the racking tube assembly that will require modification
Picture 3 - the 1/2" blowoff
Picture 4 - the feet that will make it tricky to add leg extensions

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[tjpfeister]

I use a $60 "cooling jacket " from coolzone and it work great in controlling cooling... But it takes away from the bling factor that so many here seem to value more than anything.

Augie, thanks for the heads-up. At that pricepoint, I think I have found my temporary (maybe permanent) temperature control solution. I just couldn't justify the price of an immersion type coil at this time. But I am forced to wonder at how efficient the jacket will be. IE- could it be used for cold crashing? What's the lowest temp you have achieved with it, if you dont mind me asking?

 

[augiedoggy]

Augie, thanks for the heads-up. At that pricepoint, I think I have found my temporary (maybe permanent) temperature control solution. I just couldn't justify the price of an immersion type coil at this time. But I am forced to wonder at how efficient the jacket will be. IE- could it be used for cold crashing? What's the lowest temp you have achieved with it, if you dont mind me asking?

I have the thermostat on my chiller glycol set above freezing (around 36-38 degrees) That said I accidentally pulled a probe out of my thermowell one before siliconing them in and the conical I have a discharge hose wrapped around as a cooling jackets was at 44 degrees the next morning when I realized it with 11 gallons in it. this was over an 8 hor period though.
The lowest I have every brought my stout conical down with the cooling jacket from cool zone was 46 and that was intentional.

I'm sure if I replaced the thermostat on my chiller to go lower I could easily obtain colder temps if I wanted.

The blue discharge hose is quicker reacting than the cooling jacket. (brings 11 gallons from 76 to 55 in about 1.5-2 hrs) and if I had to do it again I would likely use it on all 3 of my conicals. (totall cost was under $20)
I do clean in place now because I havent gotten quick disconnects yet. I have more info on this at the end of my build thread below and in my "conical from PA" thread.

 

[-CHRIS-]

Love my Bru-Gear, have around 10 batches through it. Totally sanitary. I don't use the racking port anymore, I just pressurize the fermenter and blow everything out of the bottom.

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/showthread.php?t=536839

Chris

 

[TrickyDick]

I'm looking at the Stout shorty 15 gallon conicals to replace my plastic conicals. Instead of the indwelling cooling coils, using external wrapped around discharge hose with DIY fittings and connect to my DIY glycol/BCS system for fermentation. The Stout kettles are full weldless with CIP functionality. Only issue is that for a set of three, which is what I'd like, will be about 2k delivered...... saving the pennies...


TD

 

[Kirbuno]

Brewers Hardware if you want serious equipment.

I bought one from Toledo Spinning Company from ebay for what I thought was a good deal. It might be OK if you only siphon and have no pressure involved. I use the "Closed system brewing technique" you can find in this forum. That involves pressurizing the system. Pretty much you want to get away from any design that uses a wide opening clamping type system to hold on the lid. That design concept makes it hard to keep any kind of pressure.

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/showthread.php?t=44344&highlight=closed+system

Brewers Hardware uses a tri-clamp system for every opening in the fermenter. This allow you to have a leak free system that you can use pressure to ferment, transfer your beer, even to push the beer through a filter system while doing the transfer.

It is easy to clean as well. I have been loving their fermenter. After knowing what to look for I can see few other fermenters that come close to the quality these guys provide. Their wort strainer is to die for.

Can't go wrong. Wish I wouldn't have gone cheap first. Just sayin.

 

[augiedoggy]

Brewers Hardware if you want serious equipment.

I bought one from Toledo Spinning Company from ebay for what I thought was a good deal. It might be OK if you only siphon and have no pressure involved. I use the "Closed system brewing technique" you can find in this forum. That involves pressurizing the system. Pretty much you want to get away from any design that uses a wide opening clamping type system to hold on the lid. That design concept makes it hard to keep any kind of pressure.

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/showthread.php?t=44344&highlight=closed+system

Brewers Hardware uses a tri-clamp system for every opening in the fermenter. This allow you to have a leak free system that you can use pressure to ferment, transfer your beer, even to push the beer through a filter system while doing the transfer.

It is easy to clean as well. I have been loving their fermenter. After knowing what to look for I can see few other fermenters that come close to the quality these guys provide. Their wort strainer is to die for.

Can't go wrong. Wish I wouldn't have gone cheap first. Just sayin.

The system Spike sells (made by toledo metal spinning as well as the knock off from china that I purchased from AHB for $300 shipped (heres the manufacturer alibaba page http://www.alibaba.com/product-deta...95238257.html?spm=a2700.7724838.30.312.T1d8wC

uses a Triclamp style sealing system which allows it to be pressurized.. I know bacause Ive done it with mine.. then again I was able to pressurize my stout conical with 5psi for transfering with no issues either so...


As already mentioned though, If someone really wants the one brewers hardware sells I think they can get it cheaper with shipping by skipping the middleman here
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/15-G..._8&btsid=49b54cf7-e6d7-4901-bb97-dd71df5da266

They even have a smaller 7 gallon version than brewers hardware carries here
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/30L-...75236.html?spm=2114.10010108.1000014.8.dwuw8C

personally I have been pricing stuff out in anticipation of possible opening a nano soon and I intend on going with Bubbas barrels fermenters.

http://www.bubbasbarrels.com/catalog/conical-fermenters-0 the bases are made by toledo metal spinning from what I can see and I know someone who uses them with good results.

 

[Doctor_M]

The system Spike sells (made by toledo metal spinning as well as the knock off from china that I purchased from AHB for $300 shipped (heres the manufacturer alibaba page http://www.alibaba.com/product-deta...95238257.html?spm=a2700.7724838.30.312.T1d8wC

uses a Triclamp style sealing system which allows it to be pressurized.. I know bacause Ive done it with mine.. then again I was able to pressurize my stout conical with 5psi for transfering with no issues either so...


As already mentioned though, If someone really wants the one brewers hardware sells I think they can get it cheaper with shipping by skipping the middleman here
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/15-G..._8&btsid=49b54cf7-e6d7-4901-bb97-dd71df5da266

They even have a smaller 7 gallon version than brewers hardware carries here
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/30L-...75236.html?spm=2114.10010108.1000014.8.dwuw8C

personally I have been pricing stuff out in anticipation of possible opening a nano soon and I intend on going with Bubbas barrels fermenters.

http://www.bubbasbarrels.com/catalog/conical-fermenters-0 the bases are made by toledo metal spinning from what I can see and I know someone who uses them with good results.

Those bubba barrels utilize a clamp / gasket system similar to Blichmann it seems. Cleaning them even using a spray ball is going to be a PITA. We use Blichmanns currently at the Nano I brew at and as I mentioned earlier I can't wait to get rid of them.

The price is great though.

 

[Kirbuno]

The system Spike sells (made by toledo metal spinning as well as the knock off from china that I purchased from AHB for $300 shipped (heres the manufacturer alibaba page http://www.alibaba.com/product-deta...95238257.html?spm=a2700.7724838.30.312.T1d8wC

uses a Triclamp style sealing system which allows it to be pressurized.. I know bacause Ive done it with mine.. then again I was able to pressurize my stout conical with 5psi for transfering with no issues either so...


As already mentioned though, If someone really wants the one brewers hardware sells I think they can get it cheaper with shipping by skipping the middleman here
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/15-G..._8&btsid=49b54cf7-e6d7-4901-bb97-dd71df5da266

They even have a smaller 7 gallon version than brewers hardware carries here
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/30L-...75236.html?spm=2114.10010108.1000014.8.dwuw8C

personally I have been pricing stuff out in anticipation of possible opening a nano soon and I intend on going with Bubbas barrels fermenters.

http://www.bubbasbarrels.com/catalog/conical-fermenters-0 the bases are made by toledo metal spinning from what I can see and I know someone who uses them with good results.

I see your point. I can see I wasn't completely clear in my explanation. I meant that every outlet, including the top is a tri-clamp fitting on the BH fermenter. It is the top that gives out. Yes you may be able to (for a short duration of time while pushing your beer out of the fermenter) be able to get up to 5 psi. However I ferment at around 7 psi for the entire ferment period so the vessel has to hold the pressure indefinitely. When I push to my corny's I may have closer to around 12 psi sometimes more for various reasons. The design you show will not do either at all. See photo of failure below.

 

[Kirbuno]

Looking at the shipping on the Ali-express it seems to add up fairly quickly, I didn't take the time to figure how much shipping from BH is. I had the advantage of stopping by the shop in LA.
The Ali one has a 1" bottom drain, while the BH has a 2" The workmanship is dramatically warped looking on the Ali one as well. I suspect there are other items in quality if you were to place them side by side, but it does look like you might be able to save around a $100 bucks for a lesser quality fermenter. I was just done with the lesser quality stuff. Save a buck and regret it later seems to be par for the course.
Best of luck on deciding which way to go. I'm sure you will get some good brews either way.

 

[TrickyDick]

As with most things, you tend to get what you pay for: except with wine, golf clubs, or anything with the Blichman label on it.
I say this a little tongue in cheek though. As with anything, there are levels of quality. If you are a professional race driver, an off the lot performance car at any price isn't going to cut it. For a weekend warrior though, it will, and for a fraction of the price the pro is paying (though he is likely not paying for the stuff to begin with).
Point is, for a homebrewer, the effort of cleaning the seals isn't usually a big issue between each batch, so even the blichmann is fine.

The BH fermenters are pricey, especially the jacketed versions. I'm sure you will love it though, as it is hard to fault from the sounds of things.

I think the gist of the thread though is how can get the (least expensive) best conical (and what are the tradeoffs).

I am curious about the post Kirbuno made showing a failure on a seal under pressurized fermentation. Can I ask why do you ferment at 7psi, how you supply the pressure, and what is the benefit? I understand that there is hydrostatic pressure in all fermenting vessels due to volume of fluid and height of the vessel. Most commonly (I assume) closed fermentation with an airlock/blow-off is performed with no significant head pressure above the wort/beer.

TD

 

[iijakii]

I am curious about the post Kirbuno made showing a failure on a seal under pressurized fermentation. Can I ask why do you ferment at 7psi, how you supply the pressure, and what is the benefit? I understand that there is hydrostatic pressure in all fermenting vessels due to volume of fluid and height of the vessel. Most commonly (I assume) closed fermentation with an airlock/blow-off is performed with no significant head pressure above the wort/beer.

TD

Look up spundling valves. There's a whole thread on fermenting under pressure somewhere around here. Basically guaranteed no oxygen, beer is already partially carbonated, also I think there's reports of either quicker fermentation or less esthers or something when under pressure. Cant recall which. I'd love to do that but yeah, definitely need a rated one. Especially not one with a flat lid.

The brewershardware looks great. Maybe after I win the lotto.

 

[augiedoggy]

Those bubba barrels utilize a clamp / gasket system similar to Blichmann it seems. Cleaning them even using a spray ball is going to be a PITA. We use Blichmanns currently at the Nano I brew at and as I mentioned earlier I can't wait to get rid of them.

The price is great though.

I agree your totally right.. The person who told me about them told me they are a pain because sometimes they leak if you dont get them together just right... Its more about value for the price in my situation.

 

[augiedoggy]

Looking at the shipping on the Ali-express it seems to add up fairly quickly, I didn't take the time to figure how much shipping from BH is. I had the advantage of stopping by the shop in LA.
The Ali one has a 1" bottom drain, while the BH has a 2" The workmanship is dramatically warped looking on the Ali one as well. I suspect there are other items in quality if you were to place them side by side, but it does look like you might be able to save around a $100 bucks for a lesser quality fermenter. I was just done with the lesser quality stuff. Save a buck and regret it later seems to be par for the course.
Best of luck on deciding which way to go. I'm sure you will get some good brews either way.

Well I dont think you realize the ones on ali are from the same manufacturer as BH buys them from... They will make them to different specs and when BH orders a pallet they likely spec the 2" valve... otherwise its not really a matter of quality... I have found just about every stainless conical that isnt made in the states on alibaba or aliexpress regardless of who originally designed them if they are made there they will eventually be sold direct. (except the SS brewtech/brugear ones.)

 

[augiedoggy]

I see your point. I can see I wasn't completely clear in my explanation. I meant that every outlet, including the top is a tri-clamp fitting on the BH fermenter. It is the top that gives out. Yes you may be able to (for a short duration of time while pushing your beer out of the fermenter) be able to get up to 5 psi. However I ferment at around 7 psi for the entire ferment period so the vessel has to hold the pressure indefinitely. When I push to my corny's I may have closer to around 12 psi sometimes more for various reasons. The design you show will not do either at all. See photo of failure below.

Gotcha... I have the conical the your pictures show and I believe for the heavy gauge lid to be bent like that it took something other than just 8psi to deform it...

 

[Kirbuno]

As with most things, you tend to get what you pay for: except with wine, golf clubs, or anything with the Blichman label on it.
I say this a little tongue in cheek though. As with anything, there are levels of quality. If you are a professional race driver, an off the lot performance car at any price isn't going to cut it. For a weekend warrior though, it will, and for a fraction of the price the pro is paying (though he is likely not paying for the stuff to begin with).
Point is, for a homebrewer, the effort of cleaning the seals isn't usually a big issue between each batch, so even the blichmann is fine.

The BH fermenters are pricey, especially the jacketed versions. I'm sure you will love it though, as it is hard to fault from the sounds of things.

I think the gist of the thread though is how can get the (least expensive) best conical (and what are the tradeoffs).

I am curious about the post Kirbuno made showing a failure on a seal under pressurized fermentation. Can I ask why do you ferment at 7psi, how you supply the pressure, and what is the benefit? I understand that there is hydrostatic pressure in all fermenting vessels due to volume of fluid and height of the vessel. Most commonly (I assume) closed fermentation with an airlock/blow-off is performed with no significant head pressure above the wort/beer.

TD

TD, The carbonation comes from the yeast. I like to start of slow and work up to 7 psi. There is a huge string of over 2,000 replys on this subject.

Long version original: https://www.homebrewtalk.com/showthre...=closed+system

I like it for many reasons, don't want to start a whole new conversation and hijack this thread. Here is a short version on a different website of some of the comments for you to look through if you are interested, but not wanting to go through the original site.

http://biabrewer.info/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=1933&start=0

 

[Kirbuno]

AD - Seems weird, but it did it at the point where the clamp bracket was, there is just no strength in a flat edge like that. I tried tighting the clamp band more but just ended up ruining the silicone. I sold it to someone who was not interested in the same direction I have taken so got most of my money back, not counting shipping.

 

[TrickyDick]

Finally getting ready to retro-fit SS "lids" to my Plastic conicals. I am not expecting them to perform well. Too many places that can harbor infection. Heck - maybe I use them for sour brewing...

Can we summarize regarding the various brands discussed so far? Be nice for someone to make up a table/chart that includes weldless/welded, CIP capability, Pressure ability (and max psi), Temp control included (submerged coils/jacket), Sanitary fittings on ALL connections, Capacity available, Cost, Customer Support

For me, the single most important part is CIP followed by sanitary design (and frankly unless is a DIY thing I can't imagine you could buy CIP without it being sanitary, but apparently the BME Chronical this is the case with at least one weldless fitting... dumb.... I do not need to pressure rack. I would like integrated jacket or submersible coils, but I don't think submersible coils will be sanitary. For now I am leaning to the Stout Wide 15gal conical.

TD

 

[Nagorg]

For me, the single most important part is CIP followed by sanitary design (and frankly unless is a DIY thing I can't imagine you could buy CIP without it being sanitary, but apparently the BME Chronical this is the case with at least one weldless fitting... dumb.... I do not need to pressure rack. I would like integrated jacket or submersible coils, but I don't think submersible coils will be sanitary. For now I am leaning to the Stout Wide 15gal conical.
TD

I hear ya on the weldless fitting on a conical that's mostly TC. But, its not that big of a deal really.
My walk-through of using my BME Chronical:
https://www.homebrewtalk.com/showthread.php?t=579210

 

[jabba11]

I have the 14 gallon SS brewtech BME. I get what folks are saying about the weldless fittings but found that along with the temp system this thing was by far the best bang for the buck I could get in a SS conical. its not "the best" conical. its the best that fit what I wanted it to do in a price range I could afford. I haven't had it very long but here's my experience. I pressure push beer with it. It seems folks seem to think you cant on here for some reason. You have to be a little careful doing it is all. I put it together carefully. No leaks in the first two ferments (on my third now). Cleaning it isn't too difficult even with the coils in place. I have a walk in shower I walk in there with it and use a hand held shower sprayer ot rinse it out good then use a bottle brush etc on the coils. its a little labor intensive compared to my speidels but again its worth it and hey I don't like to clean things but this is a hobby and I spend my time doing it and doing it correctly. In the end if I had unlimited buck I would have went with BH jacketed conicals at more than twice the price. That's where Brewtech is though and I don't think they are trying to compete really against that product. Its like I drove a 96 chevy caprice, and moved up to a 2016 Camaro. Would I like to drive a ferarri? Sure maybe one day but that aint where im at.

 

[Nagorg]

FWIW, Spike brewing is working on a new conical that looks like it may be worth waiting for. No firm details other than all TC fittings and a really nice sample valve. Pressure transfers seems to be an issue for many conical s that aren't designed to handle higher pressures. That said, you can do it as jabba11 mentions and you can see that in my thread too.

http://spikebrewing.com/collections/fermenters/products/1-2bbl-stainless-steel-conical-fermenter

 

[Bowtiebrewery]

FWIW, Spike brewing is working on a new conical that looks like it may be worth waiting for. No firm details other than all TC fittings and a really nice dump valve. Pressure transfers seems to be an issue for many conical s that aren't designed to handle higher pressures. That said, you can do it as jabba11 mentions and you can see that in my thread too.

http://spikebrewing.com/collections/fermenters/products/1-2bbl-stainless-steel-conical-fermenter

Agree here. Interested to see if he does the domed top on it. Would be really awesome if he puts like a 6" manway in the top! Doubtful, but still would be awesome! BH and Glacier do that and its soooo nice...

 

[Phischy]

Morebeer.com uses the cones from Toledo Metal Spinning as well.

 

[Tombsy]

Has anyone tried these?

https://moonshinedistiller.com/stainless-steel-conical-fermenter-8-gallon