American IPA Bell's Two Hearted Ale Clone (close as they come)

[eschatz]

The world turns on HBT!

See guys, we really do make a difference! :fro:

 

[gfranks7807]

Guys - I asked Bells if the 1.058 OG is correct and they said no. It should be 1.064. They've corrected their website to reflect the new OG.

 

[LooyvilleLarry]

So, eschatz, are you going to bump the grain bill up on that ?

 

[MeetsCriteria]

It never made sense to me how 1.058 could be correct. Seems like 1.064 and a lower mash temp might get you there. Oh, I wish I could get Bell's in CA to see what the real thing tastes like! Guess I'll just have to settle for Alesmith, Stone, Green Flash, Russian River...

Seriously, this thing smells so great, not sure if it could get much better!

 

[gfranks7807]

They also said that 7% ABV is correct and they get there using a mash temp around 150F and a yeast strain that easily attenuates into the low to mid 80% range.

 

[gfranks7807]

What yeast have you guys decided on for this beer? I've seen at least 6 different recommendations.

 

[FlyingHorse]

What yeast have you guys decided on for this beer? I've seen at least 6 different recommendations.

I've only made it with the yeast cultured from the real deal, but I have a hard time believing any of the other suggestions would get you exactly there. I think you need the attenuation of Notty or S-05, with a little of the estery profile of WLP051 etc.

If you can't get the original, I'd choose attenuation over esters, and go with Nottingham (as eschatz says in the OP).

 

[brokenanchor]

Hater...I'll ship you some Bells (Hopslam and Two Hearted) as well as some Odell's IPA for some Stone Ruination and some Pliny the Elder

It never made sense to me how 1.058 could be correct. Seems like 1.064 and a lower mash temp might get you there. Oh, I wish I could get Bell's in CA to see what the real thing tastes like! Guess I'll just have to settle for Alesmith, Stone, Green Flash, Russian River...

Seriously, this thing smells so great, not sure if it could get much better!

Lower mash temp and an addition of a few ounces of maltodextrin (if you go that route) would do the trick for stabilizing the mouth feel.

 

[LooyvilleLarry]

brokenanchor - you should include a bottle of Oberon, so he will move east

 

[slbradley01]

Just finished brewing up a ten gallon batch using this recipe. OG was 1.062. Mashed at 150 which dropped to 149. Used the Nottingham Yeast. Made a mistake on the grain bill (had lots of helpers) Used 4lb of Crystal instead of 1lb, 2lbs Vienna instead of 4lb. My helpers added the crystal and stirred it up before I could stop them. Oh well, **** happens. What do you expect when you start drinking at 10AM?? All that grain kind of looks alike anyhow. May have created something yummy, sure smelled good. Any insight on how this will affect the final brew??

On another note, my new Crankenstin grain mill works WICKID PISSA.... (Thats Bostonian for great)

 

[tmoney1224]

Brewed this on Friday, with the following changes:

Reduced 60min hops to .75 and added the extra .25 at 45 minutes
Mashed at 151-152
I will dry hop with 1oz for 7 days

 

[eschatz]

Sounds great! Let us know how that bittering schedule works for you.

 

[dmaher]

Comparison: easchatz recipe brewed twice, first batch using WLP051 and second batch using Nottingham.

Conclusion:
The Nottingham makes a drier, crisper, thinner beer. The WLP051 seems to have more body and slightly sweeter. My conclusion is that the WPL051 came closer to producing the TH clone then with Notty. Both beers are very good and it comes down to personal taste.

What I have come to focus on is the balance between sweetness and bittering. I like when the bitterness cuts the sweetnes to creat a clean, dry taste. For me Notty cleans up the beer so well that it creates something that is more crisp (less sweet) then WLP051. WLP051 leaves behined a slightly sweeter beer that, for me, is balanced very well by 55 IBU's of Centennial making for a well balanced TH clone.

All that being said the real truth comes out when a second batch produces the exact same beer. I'm brewing again this weekend using WLP051 to see if I can duplicate batch one.

 

[eschatz]

Comparison: easchatz recipe brewed twice, first batch using WLP051 and second batch using Nottingham.

Conclusion:
The Nottingham makes a drier, crisper, thinner beer. The WLP051 seems to have more body and slightly sweeter. My conclusion is that the WPL051 came closer to producing the TH clone then with Notty. Both beers are very good and it comes down to personal taste.

What I have come to focus on is the balance between sweetness and bittering. I like when the bitterness cuts the sweetnes to creat a clean, dry taste. For me Notty cleans up the beer so well that it creates something that is more crisp (less sweet) then WLP051. WLP051 leaves behined a slightly sweeter beer that, for me, is balanced very well by 55 IBU's of Centennial making for a well balanced TH clone.

All that being said the real truth comes out when a second batch produces the exact same beer. I'm brewing again this weekend using WLP051 to see if I can duplicate batch one.

This is what I'm looking for. Thanks for the info. I'll brew my next batch with 051 and see how it works. Awesome job!

 

[dmaher]

eschatz, are you still using?

10.00 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 76.92 %
2.00 lb Vienna Malt (3.5 SRM) Grain 15.38 %
0.50 lb Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM) Grain 3.85 %
0.50 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 20L (20.0 SRM) Grain 3.85 %

I notice a few reply's back that someone had changed but didn't know if you had kept to your original.

 

[eschatz]

I keep to my original but I'm thinking about changing some things. It's an evolving beer. Pretty much whatever beer you go with from this thread is going to be great. The question is how close are we getting to Bell's 2 Hearted!

 

[eschatz]

I'm dry hopping this with 4 oz of centennial right now. hopefully this will bring that big aroma that I'm looking for. it'll be on the hops for 7 days.

 

[dmaher]

Are you using leaf hops for the dry? I find much more pleasant aroma then pellet.

Brewed these two this weekend. All hops were leaf from FreshHops.

Two Hearted Clone - I used the hop schedule from BYO recipe just to see the difference. Also the BYO recipe calls for Crystal 10L rather than 20L so I changed that as well.
10.00 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 76.92 %
2.00 lb Vienna Malt (3.5 SRM) Grain 15.38 %
0.50 lb Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM) Grain 3.85 %
0.50 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 10L (10.0 SRM) Grain 3.85 %
2.00 oz Centennial [9.00 %] (Dry Hop 9 days) Hops -
0.75 oz Centennial [9.00 %] (60 min) Hops 18.0 IBU
0.75 oz Centennial [9.00 %] (45 min) Hops 16.5 IBU
0.75 oz Centennial [9.00 %] (30 min) Hops 13.8 IBU
0.75 oz Centennial [9.00 %] (15 min) Hops 8.9 IBU
1.25 oz Centennial [9.00 %] (0 min) Hops -
1.10 items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 min) Misc
1 Pkgs California Ale V (White Labs #WLP051) Yeast-Ale


Simcoe IPA Clone Variation - I know this is a TH thread but the base grain recipe that eschatz has come up with is solid. I just up'd the Pale Malt by 2lbs (looking for a bit more alcohol) replaced Crystal 20L with Crystal 10L and stuck with eschatz hop schedule but replaced with Simco.
12.00 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 80.00 %
2.00 lb Vienna Malt (3.5 SRM) Grain 13.33 %
0.50 lb Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM) Grain 3.33 %
0.50 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 10L (10.0 SRM) Grain 3.33 %
1.25 oz Simcoe [12.20 %] (60 min) Hops 37.6 IBU
2.00 oz Simcoe [12.20 %] (Dry Hop 7 days) Hops -
1.25 oz Simcoe [12.20 %] (15 min) Hops 18.6 IBU
1.25 oz Simcoe [12.20 %] (5 min) Hops 7.5 IBU
1.25 oz Simcoe [12.20 %] (0 min) Hops -
1.10 items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 min) Misc
1 Pkgs California Ale V (White Labs #WLP051) Yeast-Ale

 

[eschatz]

Are you using leaf hops for the dry? I find much more pleasant aroma then pellet.

I used pellet hops. I usually find that the whole leaf hops that I find are not as strong as the pellets. That might just be because I'm in Indiana though.

 

[dmaher]

eschatz, yeah that is a possiblity. Whole hops are the only thing I don't buy from my local hbs. I order direct from freshops or hopsdirect.

 

[eschatz]

I've only dealt with leaf and whole on rare occasions and I've always been more impressed by the consistancy of pellets.

 

[DrunkenPig]

Just brewed this clone today. My concern was with the yeast so i decided to just use California ale WLP001. When i got home it turns out the lady gave me California V ale WLP0051. Hopefully this works out better? OG is at 1.064 so i know i did something right. Using 1lb of Crystal 10L, and 4 1oz centennial hops at 0, 40, 55 min, then final oz in the dry hop in secondary.

 

[slbradley01]

Just racked my 10 gal batch to secondary. 1.014 FG. Dry hopped with 1 oz. centenial. Smelled yummy! Can't wait to taste.

 

[eschatz]

For a 10gal batch dry hop with 2 oz. Take it off of the hops after 7 days. You'll love the beer.

 

[brokenanchor]

Has anyone tried hopbursting this recipe? Here's an article by Jamil about it.

Fourteen Essential Questions About Yeast Starters

 

[dmaher]

Ok, these two going to keg, cool and carbonate. One note, the WLP051 took 17 days to reach 1.012. I didn't use a starter and only shook carboy to airate. Didn't go to secondary as gravity wasn't reached. I added dry hops day 13/14. Stored at 68. Gravity sample tasted very good.

Two Hearted Clone - I used the hop schedule from BYO recipe just to see the difference. Also the BYO recipe calls for Crystal 10L rather than 20L so I changed that as well.
10.00 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 76.92 %
2.00 lb Vienna Malt (3.5 SRM) Grain 15.38 %
0.50 lb Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM) Grain 3.85 %
0.50 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 10L (10.0 SRM) Grain 3.85 %
2.00 oz Centennial [9.00 %] (Dry Hop 9 days) Hops -
0.75 oz Centennial [9.00 %] (60 min) Hops 18.0 IBU
0.75 oz Centennial [9.00 %] (45 min) Hops 16.5 IBU
0.75 oz Centennial [9.00 %] (30 min) Hops 13.8 IBU
0.75 oz Centennial [9.00 %] (15 min) Hops 8.9 IBU
1.25 oz Centennial [9.00 %] (0 min) Hops -
1.10 items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 min) Misc
1 Pkgs California Ale V (White Labs #WLP051) Yeast-Ale


Simcoe IPA Clone Variation - I know this is a TH thread but the base grain recipe that eschatz has come up with is solid. I just up'd the Pale Malt by 2lbs (looking for a bit more alcohol) replaced Crystal 20L with Crystal 10L and stuck with eschatz hop schedule but replaced with Simco.
12.00 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 80.00 %
2.00 lb Vienna Malt (3.5 SRM) Grain 13.33 %
0.50 lb Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM) Grain 3.33 %
0.50 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt - 10L (10.0 SRM) Grain 3.33 %
1.25 oz Simcoe [12.20 %] (60 min) Hops 37.6 IBU
2.00 oz Simcoe [12.20 %] (Dry Hop 7 days) Hops -
1.25 oz Simcoe [12.20 %] (15 min) Hops 18.6 IBU
1.25 oz Simcoe [12.20 %] (5 min) Hops 7.5 IBU
1.25 oz Simcoe [12.20 %] (0 min) Hops -
1.10 items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 min) Misc
1 Pkgs California Ale V (White Labs #WLP051) Yeast-Ale

 

[dmaher]

Everyone who loves hoppy beers should buy the Hop Lovers Guide from BYO. There is great info and a ton of great recipes. Here is the recipe for TH.

Two Hearted BYO Recipe
OG=1.058, FG-1.012
IBU=56 SRM=8 ABV=5.9%

9.0lbs 5oz 2-row pale malt
2.0lbs Vienna malt
0.5lbs crystal (10 L)
0.33lbs Carapils malt (6 L)

5.5 AAU Centennial 60
5.5 AAU Centennial 45
5.5 AAU Centennial 30
5.5 AAU Centennial 15
.33oz Centennial (0 min)
.33oz Centennial (dry hop)

Wyeast 1272 or WLP051 or yeast cultured from bottle of TH

Mash at 152 for 60
Boil for 75
Ferment at 70
Dry hop for three days in secondary

 

[dcgrp]

I made the recipe in the OP 10 days ago with harvested yeast from two bottles of TH. Only got 68% efficiency, but this was my first AG, so I'm pretty happy with that.

Just transferred to secondary today. The Bell's yeast took it from 1.058 to 1.010 for an apparent attenuation of 82%. The hydrometer sample tasted great (way better than any extract hydro samples I have tasted). SWMBO was impressed. TH is her favorite beer, and she said that the hydro sample definitely reminded her of it. I definitely recommend harvesting some TH yeast if you can. Seems to be a very good strain for a nice, clean IPA.

Currently dry-hopping with 1 oz. of centennial.

I can't wait to taste the finished version.

 

[eschatz]

Everyone who loves hoppy beers should buy the Hop Lovers Guide from BYO. There is great info and a ton of great recipes. Here is the recipe for TH.

Two Hearted BYO Recipe
OG=1.058, FG-1.012
IBU=56 SRM=8 ABV=5.9%

9.0lbs 5oz 2-row pale malt
2.0lbs Vienna malt
0.5lbs crystal (10 L)
0.33lbs Carapils malt (6 L)

5.5 AAU Centennial 60
5.5 AAU Centennial 45
5.5 AAU Centennial 30
5.5 AAU Centennial 15
.33oz Centennial (0 min)
.33oz Centennial (dry hop)

Wyeast 1272 or WLP051 or yeast cultured from bottle of TH

Mash at 152 for 60
Boil for 75
Ferment at 70
Dry hop for three days in secondary

Awesome! I was pretty close!

 

[-TH-]

... SWMBO was impressed. TH is her favorite beer,...

Hang on to that one!