Beginning brewers - You can start with all grain

[Yooper]

BIAB still looks like a simpler method to me than whatever you want to call the three vessel system, which was the reason I brought it up originally and differentiated it. That was my only intention there.

Let it go. Stop arguing semantics, and if you don't know what you're talking about, stop defending your position.

BIAB is all grain. HERMS is all grain. Using a MLT is all grain. RIMS is all grain. The vessels don't matter- the ingredients do.

Using all grain, and no malt extract = ALL GRAIN.

It's that simple, it really is.

BIAB can use one vessel, or two, or like me, THREE! I use a bag in my MLT in my HERMS (three vessels, with a tippy dump and a bag).

BIAB is not an intermediate step, it simply a way to use other equipment in a way that works for a brewer.

 

[madscientist451]

I also skipped extract and started with BIAB back when everyone was skeptical that BIAB actually worked. The first beer actually came out pretty decent.
Since then I've experimented with extract, moved the BIAB bag to a round cooler and now thinking of going back to single vessel, full volume BIAB to see if I can make it work and speed up the brew session.

 

[AZCoolerBrewer]

I also skipped extract and started with BIAB back when everyone was skeptical that BIAB actually worked. The first beer actually came out pretty decent.
Since then I've experimented with extract, moved the BIAB bag to a round cooler and now thinking of going back to single vessel, full volume BIAB to see if I can make it work and speed up the brew session.

I’ve tried full volume single vessel BIAB and feel like the benefit of not having to sparge is negligible for what I’m trying to accomplish. I’ve thought of going to round cooler MIAB. Are you going single vessel because you want to go electric, or is there some draw back for using a brew bag in a circular MLT that I don’t know about since I haven’t tried it?

 

[madscientist451]

Are you going single vessel because you want to go electric, or is there some draw back for using a brew bag in a circular MLT that I don’t know about since I haven’t tried it?

Just don't have much time for brewing these days, so I figured it would save time to just go full volume BIAB; no recirculation, no sparging, so probably lower efficiency, I'll just add more grain.
Also having the mash already in the brew pot should cut the ramp up to boil time somewhat.
When I first tried BIAB, I didn't have good kettle insulation, since then, I bought a keggle mash tun that came with very nice insulation that also fits my brew pot so I'm going to give it a try and see how much brew time I can shave off.

 

[davidabcd]

So, I'll probably get launched for this and this post deleted before ten or twenty people have seen it, but I'm willing to accept the consequences. I'm getting tired of being told I don't know what I'm talking about when, everywhere but this particular thread, says I do. I've been warned twice (once, privately and correctly for going off-topic--sorry about that).
I'm pretty sure that what I put below will somehow be refuted or shunned and do no good but I'll post it anyway because it's the truth and what I've been trying to say.

***Many of you have been very helpful and wonderful to talk beer with or other stuff.***

I was beginning to believe that what I was saying (BIAB could be perceived as a step to traditional AG) was wacky even though the exact thing is said multiple times here (I won't quote those people to spare them the hassle) and in other places.
Why a few or many of the posters think I don't know that there are multiple ways to do AG and so keep listing them, over and over, is beyond me. I can only repeat, so many times, that I know what AG is and what extract is. Not complicated. I also wasn't hiding behind a few words: I was being exact in my meaning and speaking plainly.
With a few minutes search:

5 Benefits of Brew in a Bag (BIAB)
https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/how-to-brew/5-benefits-of-brew-in-a-bag-biab/
Brew in a bag (BIAB) continues to grow in popularity as a cheaper and simplified way to pursue all-grain brewing. Here are five benefits of BIAB when moving to the mash.
1. Minimal Investment
[you can read it by going to the address--saving space]
2. Simplified Procedures While you must pay careful attention to mash rest temperatures and duration, the all-grain process is actually simplified when doing BIAB.
Traditional steps like the vorlauf, latuering and sparging are basically skipped, though the same results achieved as if mashing and lautering in a tun.


https://ashevillebrewers.com/pages/all-grain-brewing
Here we discuss two methods of the all-grain brewing method- the more basic Brew in a Bag (BIAB) method and what we'll refer to as the "full-scale" method. The latter is the most common method; it's employed by commercial brewers and is typically the method meant when people refer to all-grain brewing. People often use BIAB as an intermediate step between extract brewing and full-scale all-grain brewing because it requires less equipment.


“Brew In A Bag (BIAB) All Grain Brewing Method from Brewer's Friend
https://www.brewersfriend.com/2009/06/20/brew-in-a-bag-biab-all-grain-brewing-method/
Saturday, June 20th, 2009
BIAB is an acronym for Brew In A Bag. It is a dead simple all grain brewing technique. All it requires is a large grain straining bag, 15 gallon kettle and a propane burner. This method is excellent for brewers who are wishing to convert from extract brewing to all grain, because you can make that leap for a very minimal cost.”
Edit: Never so happy to be wrong! I did not want to be banned. I like HBT, mostly. So that's good. In retrospect, I have no experience with being ejected or forums since this is my first one ever, so I don't know much. I suppose I could read the rules section.