American Pale Ale Bee Cave Brewery Haus Pale Ale

[Sudz]

Second AG batch brewing tonight. This one is it (1st was BM's Blonde). Got bad boilover on the first hop addition so I added another 0.25oz of cascades right at the start to make up for the loss of all those beautiful hop particles.

Also going to attempt the Biermuncher (Copper chiller in a grain bag-siphoning wort from the center) technique to leave some of the junk in the pot. We'll see how that goes.

Sounds interesting. Where did you pick up on this?

Cheers....

 

[Hikeon3]

Sounds interesting. Where did you pick up on this?

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f36/wort-chiller-strainer-i-admit-i-stole-great-idea-26039/#post256067

 

[wizardofza]

I just kegged this and it has absolutely no hop flavor or aroma to it. It came out really bland, and all I taste is malt. I used whole hops instead of pellets, but the target IBU is right on what Ed's original recipe has.

I hydrated my yeast appropriately, and had good action on the airlock ~12 hours after pitching. It sat solid at 66 degrees the entire time.

The only thing different is that I used Carahell instead of Crystal 10 which I couldn't find anywhere and went w/ Safale-05 instead of the Nottingham.

I had high hopes for this beer because it's close to a beer that a local brewery creates that I love. That, and all the raving everyone else has been doing over this beer intrigued me.

If anyone has any ideas on why this happened, I'm all ears.

Here's the recipe :

Recipe: American Pale Ale (Ed Wort)
Style: American Pale Ale
TYPE: All Grain

Recipe Specifications
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Batch Size: 5.50 gal
Boil Size: 7.12 gal
Estimated OG: 1.052 SG
Estimated Color: 4.7 SRM
Estimated IBU: 39.0 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amount Item Type % or IBU
8 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 76.19 %
2 lbs Vienna Malt (3.5 SRM) Grain 19.05 %
8.0 oz Carahell (Weyermann) (13.0 SRM) Grain 4.76 %
1.00 oz Cascade [7.60 %] (60 min) Hops 22.3 IBU
0.75 oz Cascade [7.60 %] (30 min) Hops 12.9 IBU
0.25 oz Cascade [7.60 %] (15 min) Hops 2.8 IBU
0.25 oz Cascade [7.60 %] (5 min) Hops 1.1 IBU
1 Pkgs Safale Dry Ale Yeast (Fermentis #US-05) Yeast-Ale


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Light Body, No Mash Out
Total Grain Weight: 10.50 lb
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Single Infusion, Light Body, No Mash Out
Step Time Name Description Step Temp
60 min Mash In Add 3.26 gal of water at 167.3 F 152.0 F

 

[EdWort]

How old were your hops?

 

[wizardofza]

I bought them a few days before I brewed from my LHBS. But that doesn't mean much I suppose if they were to have received old hops.

I'm seriously considering doing this over with only pellets or hops from another HBS. I mean, there's not much there for me to screw up.

But yeah, I never thought of the age of the hops, that may be the culprit.

 

[EdWort]

I would do it with pellet hops from a different LHBS.

 

[GoNova]

My 6th batch ever and 2nd partial mash. I tried my best to follow the recipe, but got an OG of 1.06. Anything I should do, or just let it ride. I am thinking of adding some more water right now just after pitching the yeast. Bad idea?

 

[EdWort]

Let it ride. Just age it a couple more weeks.

 

[GoNova]

Thanks Ed. I was so hoping that you would be online to give me instant advice!!!

 

[RunBikeBrew]

I made a PM batch of this a few months ago. Brewing went great, but I had some bottle carbonation problems (temp control issues). Fixed that by warming things up.

The first month or so after bottle conditioning, I kept thinking that this beer really wasn't that good. Based on everyone's comments, I assumed I must have done something wrong. I was kind of disappointed...

So yesterday, I took some of my beer to a family party. I had not had one of the Haus Pale Ales in a few weeks. Someone had obviously stolen the crappy beer out of the bottles and replaced it with an AWESOME beer. It was absolutely fantastic (got lots of complements from the family).

I know the veterans will tell me I should have expected this, but I was amazed at how the beer changed with time. It completely transformed from a mediocre/crappy beer to one of the best I've ever made in the space of about a month. I went from never wanting to make this again to wanting to re-make it as my next batch.

Nice job, Ed, and thanks!

 

[keelanfish]

Ed,

My brother and I brewed the Haus as our first all grain and first double batch last thursday. Everything went great. Ended up with a little more than 11 gallons, so the O.G. was 1.048, but we hit a little over 70% efficiency on our first try! Thanks for the straight forward and economical recipe!

Unfortunately, our smaller carboy exploded within 18 hours of pitching the yeast and we lost about 4.5 gallons. But we still have about 7 in the larger carboy, so not a total loss. We replaced the airlock on the large carboy with a blow off tube and haven't had any problems with that one.

Fast forward to today...I removed the blow off tube and replaced it with an airlock on the remaining 7 gallon carboy. There is still some airlock activity. Fermentation is in day 5 now and the temperature has been holding steady around 70 degrees.

While I had the top open, I used a theif and took a sample and adjusted for temperature, the gravity is at 1.008. You indicate that the F.G. should be 1.011. It's only been 5 days, should I be concerned? Is this an indication of mash temperatures being too low?

I tasted the sample and it wasn't bad. It was at room temp of course, and not carbonated. I didn't taste or smell as much hop as I expected. I have an extra ounce of Cascade pellets. Would you suggest transfering to a bright tank and dry hopping with a hop bag for a week? If so, would you use the whole ounce for 7 gallons?

After Pitching Yeast & Aeration (good head already!)

Tragedy - Smaller Carboy Explodes around 18 hours after pitching

 

[portlandbeergeek]

RunBikeBrew-

I've brewed this twice and I've always polished off the whole batch before it's ready, with the excpetion of the beer i'm drinking right now! After about three months in the bottle, and this beer is exceptional! Will have to try this again one of these days, and keep them out of sight for a while!

keelanfish--bummer about the blown carboy, I had no idea they'd explode without a blowoff tube! Looks to me like the mash temp was a bit low, but I don't think your gravity will go much lower than it is now. For seven gallons, i'd say a healthy half ounce would be enough to dry hop this beer. But I'm no ed...so I'd take his advice

 

[RIBeer]

LHBS doesn't stock a 10L Crystal Malt - would subbing the same amt of CaraHell make much of a difference? From what I can find, it's a light crystal malt, right?

 

[wizardofza]

LHBS doesn't stock a 10L Crystal Malt - would subbing the same amt of CaraHell make much of a difference? From what I can find, it's a light crystal malt, right?

That's what I used when I made it. I had no issues w/ it. It was the lack of hop definition that made mine a disappointment. The malt profile was fine.

I just re-ordered from another HBS and plan on doing take two next weekend. Hopefully I'll have better luck w/ the hops from this place.

 

[BrewTaster]

LHBS doesn't stock a 10L Crystal Malt - would subbing the same amt of CaraHell make much of a difference? From what I can find, it's a light crystal malt, right?

I subbed for Crystal 45 and it turned out just fine. A bit darker then the original but the taste was perfect!

 

[conpewter]

Tragedy - Smaller Carboy Explodes around 18 hours after pitching

Wow I've never seen a carboy just explode like that. Usually the airlock or the cap gives way before the bottle does and just shoots out crap all over the ceiling (from the pictures I've seen). I guess that's just another reason to always start your brews with a blow-off hose, I'd hate to loose any of my glass carboys.

 

[BeerPressure]

yeah how the hell did that carboy bust like that? All the more reason to buy buckets.

 

[jimba009]

how hot was the wort when you put it in the carboy?

 

[keelanfish]

how hot was the wort when you put it in the carboy?

I used an immersion chiller to cool to 70. It was in the 20's outside, so it cooled another 10 degrees during the time it took to finish draining into the carboys, so I don't think temperature had anything to do with it. It must have had a defect or weak spot, but we've used it for more than 3 years without problem.

Oh well, anyone with additional thoughts about dry hopping the remaining 7 gallons? I've got an extra ounce of cascade pellets.

 

[BrewTaster]

I used an immersion chiller to cool to 70. It was in the 20's outside, so it cooled another 10 degrees during the time it took to finish draining into the carboys, so I don't think temperature had anything to do with it. It must have had a defect or weak spot, but we've used it for more than 3 years without problem.

Oh well, anyone with additional thoughts about dry hopping the remaining 7 gallons? I've got an extra ounce of cascade pellets.

I will be kegging (my first beer to be kegged, WOO), a variation of this recipe on tuesday which I dry hopped with an ounce of Cascade. It seems pretty nice and tasty when i took a bit out for measuring! Go for it!!

 

[Sparky]

Brewed this AG recipe on Dec.27, 2008. The only change I made was using Crystal 60 instead of 10 since I did not want a low SRM beer.
O.G. = 1.058
F.G. = 1.010

- Recommend consuming 6-8 weeks after brewing
(I kegged and tapped (Jan.13) at 10PSI, 2 weeks, 43F)
- This beer clears up extremely well!
- Has a bite in the beginning, but mellows with each sip.
- Good Cascade taste.
- More of an IPA than an Pale Ale

Changes (okay, it is great, but tweeks to my preference)
- Increase SRM to 9 or 10 (perhaps Crystal 90)
- Decrease bitterness level, slightly

Overall, a great brew! Thanks Ed.

 

[EdWort]

- Recommend consuming 6-8 weeks after brewing
Overall, a great brew! Thanks Ed.

Thanks. Patience pays off!

 

[RIBeer]

Ok - so my first attempt at Ed's fabled Haus Pale Ale has been in the bottle for about 10 days. Coincidently, this was my first 10 gallon batch as well, and it turned out to be the brew day from hell. Everything from my propane tank freezing up on me and not bring able to get a real rolling boil going to realizing that my IC apparently had some residual water in it that had frozen and split the tubing (which I realized AFTER it had been added to the boil and then had the water turned on). Also, I don't have any room anywhere in the house that's warm, so the bottles are sitting in my basement, where it's definitely cooler than ideal conditioning temp.

The bottle I opened was still very cloudy - I chalk this up to not getting a good hot break or cold break, and barely carbonated - attribute that to the cool storage temps. The beer tasted pretty green, still a tad sweet and barely carbed.

I'm not worrying - I figure I can live with cloudy, and time will take care of the carbonation and green taste - right? I think? Maybe?

 

[BeerPressure]

How did your propane tank freeze?

 

[EdWort]

I'm not worrying - I figure I can live with cloudy, and time will take care of the carbonation and green taste - right? I think? Maybe?

Patience here will pay off big time. Let it finish conditioning fully, then let it sit in the fridge for a week before gently opening one. The longer it sits in the fridge, the better it will clear.

Go ahead and brew another batch and forget this one while it gets better.

 

[RIBeer]

It was about 15 degrees out when I brewed - there was at least 1/2" of ice all over the tank and valve, even with it sitting right next to the burner. I usually can't stand too close to the burner without cooking my ankles - nowhere near as hot this time.

 

[BeerPressure]

making another batch this weekend, i will be using 1 pound of crystal instead of the half.

 

[Jolly McStanson]

RIBeer, I'm from Newport and I froze and cracked my wort chiller too. I also found this out when I was making Edwarts pale Ale. I also had the green taste forever. Its almost like I'm extracting every bitter grassy taste from the hops and malt.

The keg just kicked with out it ever being un green. We waited 8 weeks or more and It wasn't mellowing out, so we just drank it. It was very clear however. Ill be trying to brew this beer again over and over till I get it right.

I'm thinking the water in Newport area makes it challenging to make good beer unless your making a stout. I buy my water from Crystal Springs. Its 35 cents a gallon if you go to main place. I wont ever attempted to use my well water.

 

[Displaced MassHole]

Ed-
I've tried to scan the thread, but its getting really long......anyway....have you ever tried using a first wort hop technique on this one?

I've brewed this recipe more than anyother and have been modifying it as I go for SWMBO. It sounds like FWH might be the way to go to mellow out and accentuate the hop flavor in this beer. Any thoughts or expierence with that process on this one?

 

[EdWort]

Ed-
I've tried to scan the thread, but its getting really long......anyway....have you ever tried using a first wort hop technique on this one?

I've brewed this recipe more than anyother and have been modifying it as I go for SWMBO. It sounds like FWH might be the way to go to mellow out and accentuate the hop flavor in this beer. Any thoughts or expierence with that process on this one?

Never tried it. Let us know how it works out.