Barleywine Question

[Lukass]

Hey all,

Has anyone ever brewed the beer – Dema Goddess ale? it is an extract kit from Sam Calagione's book, Xtreme Brewing. I've got a healthy yeast starter going with WLP570 Belgian golden ale to use in primary fermentation, and then I'm finishing it off in secondary fermentation with some WLP1099. With multiple sugar additions this will ultimately be a big ass beer in the end.

My concern is, it calls for WLP570 yeast, so will this ultimately taste like a belgian-style barleywine? Could be an interesting twist on the style, but I'm wondering why Dogfish would come up with an American-style barleywine and use a belgian golden strong ale yeast for primary...? Anyone have any thoughts on this? Here is the recipe if you want to check it out:

Dema-Goddess Ale

Preboil Tea
- 4 gallons cool water
- 1/2 pound crushed cara-Munich barley
- 1/2 pound crushed special B barley
- Grain bag
- 2 teaspoons gypsum

Boil
- 13.2 pounds light liquid malt extract or 11 pounds dry light malt extract (65 minutes)
- 2 ounces Tomahawk hop pellets (60 minutes)
- 2 ounces Chinook hop pellets (20 minutes)
- 1/2 pound cane sugar (20 minutes)
- 2 teaspoons Irish Moss (20 minutes)
- 1/2 pound Demerara sugar (10 minutes)
- 5 teaspoons yeast nutrient (after cooling)

In Carboy
- Water to the 5 gallon mark

Primary Fermentation
- Yeast: Wyeast 1214 Abbey Ale or White Labs WLP570 Belgian Strong/Golden Ale.
- 1 ounce pure cane sugar (day 8)
- 1 ounce demerara sugar (day 9)
- 1 ounce pure cane sugar (day 10)
- 1 ounce demerara sugar (day 11)
- 1 ounce pure cane sugar (day 12)
- 1 ounce cascade hop pellets (day 13)
- Distillers yeast (secondary) (day 13)
- 1 ounce pure cane sugar (day 13)
- 1 ounce demerara sugar (day 14)
- 1 ounce pure care sugar (day 15)
- 1 ounce demerara sugar (day 16)
- 1 ounce pure cane sugar (day 17)

Bottling
- Champagne Yeast or Wyeast 3021
- 5 ounces priming sugar

Extra Equipment
- Aquarium pump/hose/aerating stone setup

SG: 1.100 (at the start of primary fermentation)
FG: "With this many small sugar additions and this big a beer, final gravity is anybody's guess!"

Final Target ABV: 14-16%

Thanks, and let me know your thoughts, or if anyone has ever brewed something of this style before. I am brewing tonight either way, but would love some input on how the Belgian strain of yeast will work in this barleywine.

 

[Seven]

My concern is, it calls for WLP570 yeast, so will this ultimately taste like a belgian-style barleywine? Could be an interesting twist on the style, but I'm wondering why Dogfish would come up with an American-style barleywine and use a belgian golden strong ale yeast for primary...? Anyone have any thoughts on this?

From Dogfish Head's website:

Off-centered ales for off-centered people. That's what we do here at Dogfish Head! Whether it's odd ingredients or crazy, made-up styles, you can be sure that a beer from Dogfish will challenge your perceptions of what beer is supposed to be!

I'm guessing they use Belgian yeast to make a unique beer is all.

Recipe looks interesting. I do love me some barleywines! Good luck with this brew. Let us know how it turns out.

 

[runkelia]

You are going to get a workout stirring in 11 lbs DME, yikes!
Good luck I'm sure it'll be worth it in the end.

 

[Lukass]

They do love pushing the boundaries with their beer, so thanks for the input Seven. Guess that's why the book is called xtreme brewing.. I'm interested to see how this turns out. Will report back in a bout 6-7 months

And yea, I had to buy a 10 gal brew kettle for this one. I ended up doing the 13.2 lbs liquid extract alternative, so will be doing a LOT of stirring

 

[Seven]

One of my top favorite beers is Olde School (barleywine) from Dogfish Head. I'd love to know how they make it.

 

[Lukass]

Yea, I have been wanting to try that one. Palo Santo is still one of my fav beers..

Thanks for the advice though on the yeast. I should have known that with it being a Dogfish brew – they wouldn't just stick to the traditional b-wine ingredients!

 

[Seven]

I picked up a case of Olde School recently that should last me a couple of years. Lemmeknow if you're ever in the Pittsburgh area and I'll hook you up with one.

 

[Lukass]

Damn, how much did that set ya back? Will let you know though. Had a buddy who visited the brewery and bought 2 cases of 120 minute. Cost her about $240

 

[Seven]

Got a case of Olde School for $77 at the local beer distributor here in PA.

 

[TAK]

Got a case of Olde School for $77 at the local beer distributor here in PA.

In PA you can only buy by the case, and only by beer distributes, isn't that right?

 

[Seven]

In PA you can only buy by the case, and only by beer distributes, isn't that right?

I just moved here so I'm still learning the local beer distribution rules. What I've found is you can get it by the case from beer distributors OR you can get individual bottles from bottle shops. It's kinda weird and there are probably exceptions here and there... but this has been my experience so far.

 

[TAK]

My cousin moved out there and was talking about it. Somehow forcing people to buy a case at a time is supposed to prevent excessive drinking?