American Strong Ale Arrogant Bastard clone

[franknorrispr]

I just made the recipe and my OG turned out to be 1.086!

I used us-04 for this one. I didn't have the pacman yeast and I guessed this was the right yeast for this beer. I hope it doesn't turn down the hoppiness if the beer.

I'll keep u posted

 

[ChillWill]

I used s04... wasn't pleased with the results in comparison with Nottingham or other neutral yeast.

Then again, might have fermented too warm as it came out too fruity and balanced the hops out so it wasn't very arrogant.

 

[whitehause]

just kegged this today...used Notty and the sample I took was delicious

 

[franknorrispr]

I'll keep you posted on my results. It's going to be fermenting on 65f so It shouldn't get too fruity.

 

[pandymen]

This is the first beer I'll be brewing. I'm looking forward to seeing how it tastes. At least the hops will cover up the imperfections.

I'll edit this post with the results.

I'll be using 2 oz. chinook for bittering instead of 1, and I will be dry hopping with an ounce as well.

 

[whitehause]

After a few days in the keg, I will say this is one of the better beers I've made. Thick lasting head with great lacing. When first tapped, the head was cascading almost like a Guinness, though not as long a cascade as you see with Guinness. Good hoppy bitterness up front, but without a lasting after taste. 4 weeks in primary at 63, then right to the keg. Not super clear yet, but only 5 days in the keg. This one's a keeper!!

:rockin:

 

[pandymen]

The pacman yeast attenuated a bit too much for me. OG 1.065 FG 1.004 when I racked to secondary to dry hop.

 

[Moody_Copperpot]

Arrogant Bastard was originally a single hop, single hop experiment. They discuss it on Jamil's show, Can You Brew It. They cloned it after many, many attempts. The recipe is much simpler than what has been posted thus far.

Recipe Specifications
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Batch Size: 5.50 gal
Boil Size: 7.08 gal
Estimated OG: 1.066 SG
Estimated Color: 17.9 SRM
Estimated IBU: 117.7 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amount Item Type % or IBU
12.50 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 92.59 %
1.00 lb Special B Malt (180.0 SRM) Grain 7.41 %
1.00 oz Chinook [13.00 %] (90 min) Hops 41.3 IBU
1.00 oz Chinook [13.00 %] (85 min) Hops 41.0 IBU
1.00 oz Chinook [13.00 %] (45 min) Hops 35.4 IBU
1.00 oz Chinook [13.00 %] (0 min) Hops -


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Full Body, Batch Sparge
Total Grain Weight: 13.50 lb
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Single Infusion, Full Body, Batch Sparge

 

[ChillWill]

Is that meant to say 90min boil I take it (as there are 90min and 85min additions)

 

[mrgstiffler]

That recipe is definitely off. It should only be about 75 IBU. Color should be a bit darker too. The last thing they had decided was that the recipe absolutely has a little C150 in it.

 

[Hammy71]

Arrogant Bastard was originally a single hop, single hop experiment. They discuss it on Jamil's show, Can You Brew It. They cloned it after many, many attempts. The recipe is much simpler than what has been posted thus far.

Recipe Specifications
--------------------------
Batch Size: 5.50 gal
Boil Size: 7.08 gal
Estimated OG: 1.066 SG
Estimated Color: 17.9 SRM
Estimated IBU: 117.7 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
------------
Amount Item Type % or IBU
12.50 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 92.59 %
1.00 lb Special B Malt (180.0 SRM) Grain 7.41 %
1.00 oz Chinook [13.00 %] (90 min) Hops 41.3 IBU
1.00 oz Chinook [13.00 %] (85 min) Hops 41.0 IBU
1.00 oz Chinook [13.00 %] (45 min) Hops 35.4 IBU
1.00 oz Chinook [13.00 %] (0 min) Hops -


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Full Body, Batch Sparge
Total Grain Weight: 13.50 lb
----------------------------
Single Infusion, Full Body, Batch Sparge

Last I heard, they haven't claimed it was cloned at all....

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f12/can-you-brew-recipe-stone-arrogant-bastard-176191/

 

[Moody_Copperpot]

That link you sent is the first brew. I listened to the 11/22/10 rebrew and they said that the two side by side were identical. They all said this. They said they wanted to take it to sone beer fest and let the audience decide. Download it and listen to it, it's really interesting how they figured it out.
As for the IBU who knows what software that person had who entered it in the database.
Mitch Steel told them to keep it simple, and again AB was a SMaSH experiment to begin with.
Listen for yourselves AB 11/22/10 rebrew
Even if it's not 1,000,000% cloned, they said you'd never be able to tell the two apart, and the grain bill is way different than what's posted here.

 

[zmad2000]

Ok i am going to throw in my 2 cents here. A few weeks ago i attempted to brew the arrogant bastard. It came out great but there was something a little off.

5lbs golden DME
2lbs golden DME (15min)
1lbs Special B (steeped for 60min @150)
1oz Chinook (60min)
1oz Chinook (45min)
1oz Chinook (5min)

Used Notty and tried to ferment around 65.
The IBU's were a little on the high end so i am going to change my hop times to 60,30,5. I am also going to change the DME addition amount to 6lbs at first boil and then 1lb 15min from the end. Also am going to give my Pacman harvest a try instead of Notty.

 

[davek]

Last I heard, they haven't claimed it was cloned at all....

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f12/can-you-brew-recipe-stone-arrogant-bastard-176191/

I just toured the stone brewery yesterday and I was able to get someone to admit that it is a single hop variety... How close is this recipe? I intend to brew it when I get home to Fort Worth

 

[whitehause]

I just toured the stone brewery yesterday and I was able to get someone to admit that it is a single hop variety... How close is this recipe? I intend to brew it when I get home to Fort Worth

Not a dead nuts perfect clone, but pretty close, and is a good easy IPA to throw together in a hurry. No dry hop cuts down on time too. I say go for it.:rockin:

 

[GetSudz]

So what is the yeast of choice for this clone?
Also, what is the mash temp? 150F?

 

[davek]

So what is the yeast of choice for this clone?
Also, what is the mash temp? 150F?

While at stone brewery they told me they have a proprietary yeast made by white labs (which is just down the street from the brewery) I would use WLP001 as its a California ale yeast and probably closer than the others

 

[davek]

So what is the yeast of choice for this clone?
Also, what is the mash temp? 150F?

While at Stone brewery they said they use a proprietary yeast made by whitelabs which is actually just down the street from the brewery. I haven't brewed this yet but I would use WLP001 since its a California ale yeast and is probably closer than the others

 

[ultravista]

How would Maris Otter be as the base malt vs. pale 2-row? Wouldn't the M.O. produce a maltier beer?

 

[Robin0782]

Brewing a modified version of this as I type. I'm lowering the OG and FG for my tastes. I feel like 1.020 is high, but maybe the real beer does finish high. In any case, I'm using the original posts specialty grains along with 12.5 lbs Briess 2-row. My hops are looking like this.

2 oz Columbus @ 60
1 oz Chinook @ 10
1 oz Chinook @ 5
2 oz Chinook @ FO

 

[ultravista]

I haven't used WLP0017 before and brewed A.B. and a Double Bastard and several other beers with WLP007. I like malty beers and find that 007 doesn't accentuate the malt like I like. I am considering 001for the next round of Bastards.

Also, I can't seem to get the hops right - no real Chinook flavor/aroma coming off the beer but the bitterness is there. I follow the hop schedule as posted but can't get it right.

I usually hop stand at flameout for at least an hour or longer. Letting the wort cool and the hops steep. Could that be the problem? Should I cool quicker - is this inhibiting the flavor/aroma?

 

[te-wa]

i made the extract clone, and it turned out great. color and head was spot on, very similar in taste. i also used wlp007 and was surprised at the nuances the yeast gave to the mouthfeel and flavor. i think i would do this again, or double bastard, all-grain method.

ultravista: i did 4oz chinook at 75, 45, 20, and flameout.
i was very satisfied!

 

[Bigbeavk]

My son and I brewed this back in Nov. We got a little carried away doing something while we ran the fly sparge and ended up collecting 9 gallons. We boiled off 2 gallons then started the hops schedule. Since we do 6 gallon batches I had added 1lb of 2 row to the recipe. We ended up with a 1.09 OG. I was a little shocked it went that high since I only had 1 packet of US05 to pitch. after 3 weeks in primary we were at 1.02FG. I gave it another week and bottled. I think after 3 weeks we tried one and were very pleased. I never would of thought it would be so smooth with no alcohol bite being that young. I think it is very close to a dbl AB. Definitely brewing this on a regular basis. Great recipe!

 

[carp3764]

Might anyone have a 5.5 gal Extract recipe of this that they could share?

 

[MarcusKillion]

Might anyone have a 5.5 gal Extract recipe of this that they could share?

11lb 6.5 oz pale LME for the 2 row
Do not know what to do about converting the special B . I would suggest just mashing some special B in a pot on stove since it is a small amount . Just get it close . 148 to 155 degrees for an hour and pour through a filter bag or a grain bag and pour a little 170 degree water over the grains to get out all the goodies . Perhaps you can just steep the special B .
add in enough water to get about 6.5 to 7 gallons of wort and start your boil . I would use 6.5 because you can always add in a half gallon of water to top off but you can not boil off a half gallon without over boiling your hop additions .

 

[Conan]

I'm planning on brewing the AG of this tomorrow. I may have made it once before in 2011 or so and I remember it turning out well. In fact, I think I found a couple bottles of it I had stashed away. They were....past their prime. Thanks for the recipe! Kyle

 

[Conan]

Heavens what a brew day. I hit my numbers and everything turned out fine, but there was a bit of equipment trouble- mainly my cooling water hose kinked terribly.

Turns out I had brewed this back in November 2011 and it turned out great then. Here's hoping for a repeat! Kyle

 

[brianles]

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[Shenanigans]

I live in Europe and I can get a decent deal on a lot of American hops from 2 online shops if I buy them by the pound (500g) or half pound (250g). However they only sell Chinook in 3 oz (100g) packs making it much more expensive.
I would love to brew this beer but make it a little less expensive by using something else at 60 min and use up the hops I have before buying new ones.

The top candidates would be Nugget or Summit.

I also have a lot of Taurus, Northern Brewer, Target and Magnum but they are probably too clean for an arrogant bastard

Could any of these work or am I better off digging deep in my pockets to buy some extra Chinook for bittering?

Thanks!

 

[mgudmastad]

I brewed a kit version of this recently - color, mouthfeel, head, and grain/extract bill seemed right on, but hops were waaaay off. I did a side-by-side last night, and def recommend going with the Chinook recommended in OP.