Alabama Homebrewer Arrested

[HItransplant]

It's "modeled on" a product that used to have cocaine? Are you serious?

If it doesn't have cocaine in it now, what's your point? Traditionally, beer has made with all kinds of psychoactive substances, much more serious than cocaine. Does drinking beer and being against mescaline make you a hypocrite? Does eating brownies and being against marijuana make you a hypocrite?

Just because you can post anything you want on the internet, doesn't mean you should.

+1
oozing with IQ, right? Im hoping he just had trouble articulating what he was actually trying to say.... or that he's really just yanking everyone's chain.

 

[Airborneguy]

we'll if they drink coca cola in AL,there drinking a product that was modeled in the beginning,to have 15 milligrams of cocaine per bottle.

that I think is worse than alcohol.

It's illegal

But they look over that,Even though 75% of "them" drink Coca Cola
Take it how you wanna,but Coke was model with "illegal Drugs" involved weather they wanna admit it or not.

They just look the other way(they being all the holy rollers in AL)

I mean NO OFFENSE to anyone in AL OR any kinda "god's people" It's just the truth,and I worked for Coke as a sub-contractor,and my main boss there drinks they product and goes to church every week,so take it how you wanna.

This is one of the best internet posts ever.

 

[HItransplant]

BTW.. do we have any updated info on whats going on with this guys case?

 

[CaptainCoconut]

Of course cocaine has medicinal uses, but it's no longer "perfectly legal and commonplace," I think that was his point.

I'd be surprised if there were any timely developments of this case. These things are usually long and drawn out. With a still, I doubt anything but the obvious will happen. If it weren't for that, I'd be much more interested, but as it is, it still makes for good discussion.

 

[Justibone]

Of course cocaine has medicinal uses, but it's no longer "perfectly legal and commonplace," I think that was his point.

It's a local anesthetic which is often used, believe it or not, in the nose, due to its ability to restrict blood flow and the substantial number of blood sources inside the nasal cavity.

I'd be surprised if there were any timely developments of this case. These things are usually long and drawn out. With a still, I doubt anything but the obvious will happen. If it weren't for that, I'd be much more interested, but as it is, it still makes for good discussion.

Yeah, the still is the salient problem.

To add my 2 cents, I don't see anything morally or ethically wrong with distilling or even with growing marijuana, but you can bet your sweet grannie's panties I'd never have anything to do with either unless and until 1) it's legal and/or 2) I get terminal cancer.

 

[jkreuze]

The moral of this story is either don't break the law, or, if you are breaking the law, don't leave evidence of your lawbreaking readily visible to people through your windows.

If this guy had kept his blinds closed he would be fine.

 

[CaptainCoconut]

The moral of this story is either don't break the law, or, if you are breaking the law, don't leave evidence of your lawbreaking readily visible to people through your windows.

If this guy had kept his blinds closed he would be fine.

I don't think that's true at all. From what I understand, they didn't search his house because they suspected homebrewing or distilling, they suspected meth because of a "tip" from a neighbor he'd made enemies with.

 

[JetSmooth]

it still is


In fact, coca leaves are also still being used for flavoring (although they are "de-cocainized") in various soft-drinks.

Yup. Folks would be surprised at what is still used in controlled amounts for legit purposes. But I meant no longer an over the counter "tonic" product.

Hehehe, "de-cocanized".

 

[Airborneguy]

I don't think that's true at all. From what I understand, they didn't search his house because they suspected homebrewing or distilling, they suspected meth because of a "tip" from a neighbor he'd made enemies with.

If this is the case, they sure have easier criteria for getting a search warrant approved in Alabama.

 

[JeepDiver]

I don't think that's true at all. From what I understand, they didn't search his house because they suspected homebrewing or distilling, they suspected meth because of a "tip" from a neighbor he'd made enemies with.

The original article says they searched his land for the Meth, and saw the brewing equipment through his window so they got a warrant to search the house at that point.

 

[klyph]

The fact is, government has many rules and laws to protect you from yourself. You are not to be trusted to make your own decisions about your safety, your health, or what you do in the "privacy" of your own home. Laws against victimless "crimes" are the first step in eroding our basic liberties. Your body is not your own, you are the property of the United States and they will decide what is good for you. Look at New York and their trans fat ban, you are not smart enough to even decide what to eat for yourself. You are so dumb and incapable of rational decision making that the government will make those decisions for you. It really makes sense considering the intelligence level of the kids coming out of our public schools these days. It's no wonder we are desperately eliminating every last vestige of personal responsibility, the next generation won't be able to form a full thought unless there's an app for it.

 

[MiserDD]

Does anyone have an update on the subject of this thread?

 

[PartyBible]

I think they were just intimidated by the Fermentator. Even the sound of it is intimidating. Say it out loud. Fermentator.

Ohh this is rich!

 

[HItransplant]

Hehehe, "de-cocanized".

I know, RIGHT!?!?? Cracked me up when I read that.... think it was on a can of red bull cola (edit: or maybe wikipedia).

 

[redalert]

The fact is, government has many rules and laws to protect you from yourself. You are not to be trusted to make your own decisions about your safety, your health, or what you do in the "privacy" of your own home. Laws against victimless "crimes" are the first step in eroding our basic liberties. Your body is not your own, you are the property of the United States and they will decide what is good for you. Look at New York and their trans fat ban, you are not smart enough to even decide what to eat for yourself. You are so dumb and incapable of rational decision making that the government will make those decisions for you. It really makes sense considering the intelligence level of the kids coming out of our public schools these days. It's no wonder we are desperately eliminating every last vestige of personal responsibility, the next generation won't be able to form a full thought unless there's an app for it.

It's scary but true.

 

[DubbinFive1Eight]

If you read further into the thread you will see this guy was distilling whiskey as well. I'm lucky enough to live in a state where homebrew is legal, but you can bet your ass if I lived in a state where homebrew was illegal I #1) wouldn't post about my activities on the internet (including photos of his entire setup) and #2) wouldn't take it a step further by running a still, which is a felony in every state as far as I know.

I won't argue this for distilling consumable spirits, but the home production of ethanol/methanol for fuel usage is legal in NY, atleast.

 

[PartyBible]

Mental note: Hide meth equipment...

 

[socalhomebrewer]

I don't know if anyone posted this, but the have a growler with a brewery name, and the propane burner has a sticker that says " support your local brewery" on it.

My thoughts...If there distilling something, at least have a distiller somewhere. This happen in a state that is known for moonshine, they have to know what a distiller is.

 

[Synovia]

Look at New York and their trans fat ban, you are not smart enough to even decide what to eat for yourself. You are so dumb and incapable of rational decision making that the government will make those decisions for you..

No, the problem is, these things, like seatbelts, affect the cost of everyone's health insurance, medicare, etc. Hurting yourself costs me money.

 

[Justibone]

No, the problem is, these things, like seatbelts, affect the cost of everyone's health insurance, medicare, etc. Hurting yourself costs me money.

So then, by your logic, people should be forced to exercise -- potentially at gunpoint? After all, it costs you money...

 

[Synovia]

So then, by your logic, people should be forced to exercise -- potentially at gunpoint? After all, it costs you money...

At gunpoint? Thanks for the ridiculous hyperbole.

Why can't people have an honest intellectual discussion without resorting to this stuff?

 

[passedpawn]

At gunpoint? Thanks for the ridiculous hyperbole.

Why can't people have an honest intellectual discussion without resorting to this stuff?

That is not hyperbole. All laws are backed up by police force. If you ignore the law, you will be taken by armed police.

 

[Synovia]

That is not hyperbole. All laws are backed up by police force. If you ignore the law, you will be taken by armed police.

When is the last time you saw someone get a parking ticket at gunpoint?

 

[Justibone]

I have seen people arrested for parking tickets.

I have seen people resist arrest and force used upon them.

You are not being logical. Where is the endpoint for your "right" to tell others what to do, because it "affects" you? Where is their limit on your freedom?

Okay, forget exercise: alcohol is correlated to cancer. Cancer is expensive. Ban alcohol! It "affects" you!!

 

[Synovia]

I have seen people arrested for parking tickets.

I have seen people resist arrest and force used upon them.

You are not being logical. Where is the endpoint for your "right" to tell others what to do, because it "affects" you? Where is their limit on your freedom?

Okay, forget exercise: alcohol is correlated to cancer. Cancer is expensive. Ban alcohol! It "affects" you!!

Having a gun put on you for resisting arrest is not being ticketed at gunpoint. They are two seperate acts.

I have never said to ban anything, btw, so quite the strawman argument.

 

[passedpawn]

Don't pay your parking tickets. See what happens. Don't say I didn't warn you.

 

[tunoffun]

I have never said to ban anything, btw, so quite the strawman argument.

No. But what you did say, and insinuate, is that other people's actions could indirectly affect your pocketbook, so they should be regulated. Which is ludicrous. Where does your logic end? Am I responsible for your increased gas prices when I fill up my car at the gas station (supply & demand)? Am I responsible for holding up your child's education because my public-school child doesn't have the same IQ? Am I responsible for your STD because I'm the one who gave it to the hooker you slept with?

IMO, one of the biggest problems we face as a nation is our growing acceptance of the 'fact' that personal responsibility starts with someone else.

If your insurance rates go up, it's your INSURANCE COMPANY who's responsible. Noone else. But I'm willing to bet the insurance companies - and lawyers - absolutely love your logic. It does nothing but benefit them as we devour each other.

 

[Hermit]

Isn't the topic of the thread about the guy in Alabama? If anyone has updates, please post. If you want to debate other stuff would you please consider making a thread for it? I want to keep up with what happens to this guy but there is just way to much noise in this thread not related to his plight.

Thanks.....

 

[Synovia]

No. But what you did say, and insinuate, is that other people's actions could indirectly affect your pocketbook, so they should be regulated. Which is ludicrous. Where does your logic end? Am I responsible for your increased gas prices when I fill up my car at the gas station (supply & demand)? Am I responsible for holding up your child's education because my public-school child doesn't have the same IQ? Am I responsible for your STD because I'm the one who gave it to the hooker you slept with?

You do realize that the "Slippery slope" argument is a logical fallacy,correct?


Its great that you can use it to go ahead and put arguments into my mouth that I'm not making. Stop being intellectually dishonest.

IMO, one of the biggest problems we face as a nation is our growing acceptance of the 'fact' that personal responsibility starts with someone else.

Yes, and part of that personal responsibility comes with accepting the fact that your actions affect others. When you go out and smear yourself across the street because you don't want to wear a helmet, or a seatbelt, or whatever, it drives up my insurance, and my taxes (somebody has to clean the road, investigate, etc.)

Why should you have the right to increase my cost to live?

If your insurance rates go up, it's your INSURANCE COMPANY who's responsible. Noone else. But I'm willing to bet the insurance companies - and lawyers - absolutely love your logic. It does nothing but benefit them as we devour each other.

And unfortunately, I'm required BY LAW, to have insurance, and the insurance industry isn't even close to a free market.

 

[tunoffun]

You do realize that the "Slippery slope" argument is a logical fallacy,correct?

I'd absolutely love for you to explain to me how it's a logical fallacy. I don't think you can. In fact, I think the term 'logical fallacy' is just something you made up to avoid having to concede the point that your logic is flawed.

I'd also absolutely love for your to explain to me how you can possibly draw any line once you start extrapolating responsibility without being a hypocrit.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go out for a ride on my GSXR. I'll make sure to pop a high-speed wheelie or two in your honor. Unfortunately, wearing proper gear is a personal choice I'm not ready to forego in spite, but with any luck, if I do get in an accident, I'll be going so damned fast that my insurance company will refuse to honor the policy regardless. And my body will be spread out over such a distance that it will take at least twice the normal man-hours just to scrape me up.

You can sue my wife for your damages.