wailingguitar
Well-Known Member
I sent my emails as well. Also had Sanford's returned and also was surprised at the fact that some had no addy
Alabama Homebrew Legislation 2013
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Orthobrewsky
Senior Member
I counted 5 and noticed that 4 of those five are marked on FTH as opposing homebrew legalization. Why am I not surprised?
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aubiecat
Well-Known Member
What will the obituary for the current homebrew bill read like this year?
Orthobrewsky
Senior Member
From a guy who recently tweeted this on Alabama Homebrewing:
"I called today and they said it will likely be placed on the agenda for the last day they're in session."
This was from: "The lady I spoke to when I called Sen. Waggoner's office."
"She basically told me they have more important things to worry about, but she expected it to be on the agenda the last day."
Hmmm...I don't know why they'd be more likely to make it a priority on the last day, when they are really in a rush.
I may be channeling Puddleglum, but this sounds like they are really saying "It's not going to make it to the floor, but you should hope for the last day so that, by the time you know it's not on there, it will be too late to annoy the committee with phone calls."
I'd say it's time to really lay into them with phone calls, so they won't feel so much like "they have more important things to worry about."
"I called today and they said it will likely be placed on the agenda for the last day they're in session."
This was from: "The lady I spoke to when I called Sen. Waggoner's office."
"She basically told me they have more important things to worry about, but she expected it to be on the agenda the last day."
Hmmm...I don't know why they'd be more likely to make it a priority on the last day, when they are really in a rush.
I may be channeling Puddleglum, but this sounds like they are really saying "It's not going to make it to the floor, but you should hope for the last day so that, by the time you know it's not on there, it will be too late to annoy the committee with phone calls."
I'd say it's time to really lay into them with phone calls, so they won't feel so much like "they have more important things to worry about."
CGVT
Senior Member
We sat here the last day last year hoping that they would get to it... They won't put it on the SOC for the last day because it is controversial enough that it will hold things up too much.
ALCAP has these guys by the balls and they are not going to let it get to a vote.
ALCAP has these guys by the balls and they are not going to let it get to a vote.
Honestly I think everyone should call each of them to request it be added to the calendar every single day remaining in the session. I'm less and less sold on playing nice as days progress given that it only makes it easier and less of a problem to snub us.
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Sidenote, the way it was explained to me is even if we could get the bill on the calendar, the rest of the educational garbage they're ferrying through that everyone wants to get their name gets first priority by their rules and there is of course a ton of them because of the earlier session tantrums. Until (if is probably more accurate) those make it through we're probably screwed. What's worse, is most of it is garbage related to the whole "Core" monstrosity that they've already approved so it's all just feel good vote pandering garbage anyway.
Yay...
Yay...
BarefootFriar
Well-Known Member
Great. Well, maybe next year.
coinhall09
Well-Known Member
Accidic said:
I'm down for that ! Who do I need to call !!!?
CGVT
Senior Member
Although I must admit, I do wonder if it matters whether you're from the constituency or even a resident for calling and asking for it on the calendar to be honest. Previous votes have been pushed through with tons of calls from Mississippi and while I can't say that affected the vote, I can't help but feel that it did considering the number of calls the secretaries taking them are handling and I'd wager they're not really taking down the phone numbers. I could be wrong though.
In any event, the above contains the phone numbers and some of the email addresses for some of the representatives on the Senate Rules Committee to supplement CVGT's post.
JohanMk1
Well-Known Member
Do you think that some out of country mails could help your cause? (From South Africa)
JR_Brewer
Well-Known Member
After listening to the House debate, I'm not sure these Alabama polititians know what South Africa is, so go ahead.
Really though, people should listen to the house debate (I heard it on basic brewing radio, but I'm sure there are other ways). After hearing it you'll understand how ignorant those state legislators are. And it's not just in Alabama, we need to take a look at who we put in office...
homebrewdad
Well-Known Member
I was so optimistic, but apparently, it's not going to happen this year.
CGVT
Senior Member
I think we all tend to underestimate how powerful the Church is in this state.
When a question in the House is, "What does ALCAP think of this bill?" we should see the writing on the wall.
Politics in this state are controlled by self-righteous Bible thumpers imposing their beliefs on the rest of us.
When a question in the House is, "What does ALCAP think of this bill?" we should see the writing on the wall.
Politics in this state are controlled by self-righteous Bible thumpers imposing their beliefs on the rest of us.
alestateyall
Well-Known Member
How many legislative days are left? Any?
What does Huff360 say?
I think everyone should keep calling until he says it is over.
What does Huff360 say?
I think everyone should keep calling until he says it is over.
Yes, there are a handful of days left. I have the list of numbers written down which I call daily.
I've not seen anything from Huff in a few days to say yay or nay although I believe someone was told we'd get it in on the last day if at all.
I've not seen anything from Huff in a few days to say yay or nay although I believe someone was told we'd get it in on the last day if at all.
MTate37
Well-Known Member
Sent my letters and made my calls. Sanford's email was returned as everyone said. Received a quick form response from Pittman saying 'I will give your e-mail the serious consideration it deserves.' Tammy Irons sent a quick response from her Blackberry saying that she supports the bill and will vote yes.
I'll continue to follow up with those that don't respond. It's going to suck if this doesn't happen. I really want to be able to brew outdoors without worrying about nosy neighbors or the police driving by wondering what I'm cooking up in my big pot.
I'll continue to follow up with those that don't respond. It's going to suck if this doesn't happen. I really want to be able to brew outdoors without worrying about nosy neighbors or the police driving by wondering what I'm cooking up in my big pot.
I've got nothing certain to add. We don't know anything that you guys don't. We have reached out to Holtzclaw but he hasn't really responded.
I'm making my calls and sending my e-mails daily. That's all we can do at this point.
I think we have 7 Legislative Days left.
I'm making my calls and sending my e-mails daily. That's all we can do at this point.
I think we have 7 Legislative Days left.
Orthobrewsky
Senior Member
That's a positive thing. She was one of the unknowns (so far as the FTH website goes), so that's one more for us on that committee.
MTate37
Well-Known Member
That is encouraging. She also said 'GOP supermajority leadership needs to put on calendar for a vote!'
Guys,
The Right To Brew folks have taken a position on the lack of activity in the Senate.
Our ONLY hope at this point is to aggravate the crap out of the Senators on the Rules committee. We have to let them know that if they don't give us a vote this session, we are going to be back next year and we are going to be just as aggravating.
CALL EACH MEMBER OF THE SENATE RULES COMMITTEE EVERY DAY. TELL THEM YOU WANT A VOTE ON HB9.
When you get off the phone, sit down and send every one of them an e-mail. We have to do this EVERY DAY.
Call YOUR Senator and ask them how they stand on HB9. Ask them for their help in getting the Rules Committee to place it on the SOC. Remind them that you Vote and that you are in their district. DO THIS DAILY.
Call YOUR Representative and ask them to call any friends they have in the Senate and ask for their help in Getting HB9 to the floor. Remind them that you Vote and that you are in their district. (No need to do this daily, but a call every now and then would be fine.)
Get your Wife to call. Get your Mom to call. Get your Dad to call. Get your Friends to call. Get your Boss to call. Get your Employees to call. Anyone who would be impacted by you being convicted of a FELONY for making beer should call! They have a right to voice their opinion.
If you use Twitter of Facebook, look up these guys. Some of them have accounts. Light their wall up with Homebrewing Info. Ask them to support HB9. We have to be relentless.
Senator Jabo Waggoner, Chair
(334) 242-7892
[email protected]
Senator Jimmy Holley, Vice Chair
(334) 242-7845
Senator Scott Beason
(334) 242-7794
Senator Roger Bedford
(334) 242-7862
[email protected]
Senator Gerald Dial
(334) 242-7874
Senator Priscilla Dunn
(334) 242-7793
Senator Vivian Figures
(334) 242-7871
[email protected]
Senator Rusty Glover
(334) 242-7886
Senator Tammy Irons
(334) 242-7888
[email protected]
Senator Arthur Orr
(334) 242-7891
http://www.arthurorr.com/contact
Senator Trip Pittman
(334) 242-7897
[email protected]
Senator Paul Sanford
(334) 242-7867
Senator Clay Scofield
(334) 242-7876
[email protected]
Senator Paul Bussman
(334) 242-7855
[email protected]
The Right To Brew folks have taken a position on the lack of activity in the Senate.
Our ONLY hope at this point is to aggravate the crap out of the Senators on the Rules committee. We have to let them know that if they don't give us a vote this session, we are going to be back next year and we are going to be just as aggravating.
CALL EACH MEMBER OF THE SENATE RULES COMMITTEE EVERY DAY. TELL THEM YOU WANT A VOTE ON HB9.
When you get off the phone, sit down and send every one of them an e-mail. We have to do this EVERY DAY.
Call YOUR Senator and ask them how they stand on HB9. Ask them for their help in getting the Rules Committee to place it on the SOC. Remind them that you Vote and that you are in their district. DO THIS DAILY.
Call YOUR Representative and ask them to call any friends they have in the Senate and ask for their help in Getting HB9 to the floor. Remind them that you Vote and that you are in their district. (No need to do this daily, but a call every now and then would be fine.)
Get your Wife to call. Get your Mom to call. Get your Dad to call. Get your Friends to call. Get your Boss to call. Get your Employees to call. Anyone who would be impacted by you being convicted of a FELONY for making beer should call! They have a right to voice their opinion.
If you use Twitter of Facebook, look up these guys. Some of them have accounts. Light their wall up with Homebrewing Info. Ask them to support HB9. We have to be relentless.
Senator Jabo Waggoner, Chair
(334) 242-7892
[email protected]
Senator Jimmy Holley, Vice Chair
(334) 242-7845
Senator Scott Beason
(334) 242-7794
Senator Roger Bedford
(334) 242-7862
[email protected]
Senator Gerald Dial
(334) 242-7874
Senator Priscilla Dunn
(334) 242-7793
Senator Vivian Figures
(334) 242-7871
[email protected]
Senator Rusty Glover
(334) 242-7886
Senator Tammy Irons
(334) 242-7888
[email protected]
Senator Arthur Orr
(334) 242-7891
http://www.arthurorr.com/contact
Senator Trip Pittman
(334) 242-7897
[email protected]
Senator Paul Sanford
(334) 242-7867
Senator Clay Scofield
(334) 242-7876
[email protected]
Senator Paul Bussman
(334) 242-7855
[email protected]
MTate37
Well-Known Member
Responded to the email Senator Irons sent in response to my request and stated concern that we would not see passage this year. She feels that the votes are there, but the hurdle will be getting leadership to put it on the calendar.
She is exactly right. We need to pressure our Senators, who we vote for, to put pressure on the Rules Committee.
Keep calling your Senator, asking for an update on any conversations they have had with members of the committee. Ask them if they will speak with the Chair. Remind them you Vote and that this is a critical issue for you. Should you be convicted under this archaic law, you will no longer be able to vote for them! Leave your phone number and ask them to call you and let you know anything that you can do.
Even if your Senator fully supports the bill, keep the pressure on them. Ask them Who on the Committee is blocking the bill. Ask them to speak with that person. HOUND HOUND HOUND.
We tried to be nice and not nag, they refused to act. It's time to become that guy that everyone pretends to not see in the grocery store!
Many of them are not aware this is a felony. I use this line each time I call:
"I can become a convicted felon for participating in a hobby that is legal under federal law as well as under state law in 49 other states. Please see that HB9 gets an opportunity to be voted on by the Senate."
KingRichard
Member
If you have an out-of-state cell phone, I'd recommend getting a free Google voice number so that your call has an Alabama area code (205, 251, 256, 334) on caller ID. This way the Senator's office knows you're calling from Alabama, and not just someone on a Internet forum supporting your Alabama brethren. I know lots of folks who live in this state but still use cell phones with out of state numbers.
Just saying...
Just saying...
BarefootFriar
Well-Known Member
Would it help, in my conversations, to let them know I am a clergyperson? My thinking being that not all Christians are against this, but maybe they don't know it.
Has FTH or anyone else sent them information about homebrewing as a hobby and art? I get the impression that many think it's akin to moonshine, done for a cheap, fast drunk, and that's not true. I don't want to come across as patronizing, but someone needs to let these folks know what's really at stake.
Has FTH or anyone else sent them information about homebrewing as a hobby and art? I get the impression that many think it's akin to moonshine, done for a cheap, fast drunk, and that's not true. I don't want to come across as patronizing, but someone needs to let these folks know what's really at stake.
KingRichard
Member
Everything has the potential to help...
That being said, the "Right to Brew" folks have worked hard to get info to the Senators. The ones left that don't support it, probably aren't going to ever support it (will vote no to any evil alcohol bill).
All our focus now should be getting it to actually come up for a vote. It has to be added to the Special Order Calender (SOC) in order to make it to the floor for a vote. I've personally received emails from both Republican and Democratic Senators stating that they believe it will pass. The problem is, it has to be voted on in order to pass.
Senator Irons replied to an email I sent her today, stating that the Republican super-majority (and the committee head Waggoner specifically) had most of the power to determine what makes the calendar. Calls should definitely be focused on them.
As Richard said, it can't hurt. Let them know that ALCAP does NOT represent your interests!
There you go applying logic to an illogical place! : ) Honestly, the folks that don't support it likely don't care to be educated. If you haven't listed to some of the House debate, it's worth it.
Rep 1: This will allow 4000 gallons of moonshine per adult in the house! You should all vote no!
Sponsor: No, that's not right. It will allow 15 gallons max. And moonshine is illegal federally. Personal consumption of beer, wine, mead. That's it.
Rep 1: Yeah, that's right! 4000 gallons a PIECE. And they can sell it too!
It's not that they aren't listening, or that they don't understand. It's that they need to grandstand and make a big show so they can tell their constituents they tried their hardest. They also hope that there might be another person that doesn't know that they can sway with misinformation.
BarefootFriar
Well-Known Member
KingRichard
Member
Doesn't really matter at this point if Johnson voted for it or against it (unless it doesn't pass the Senate this year).
It's already passed the house by a fairly large margin. Most folks think it will pass the Senate if they actually vote on it.
All of our energy should be focused on telling the Senate to add it to the Calendar and vote on it.
