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I would like to know why your glasses/posters were not made available for sale online? If nothing else, this would have generated more money that could be put to good use by you in creating public awareness.

Politics is money, and money == votes.

Lots of people have asked that, nobody has volunteered to step up, set up the required 501(c)(3), handle the accounting, tax reporting, legal requirements, orders, shipping, cashing of checks, customer complaints, refunds for broken glasses, registration as a lobbyist, audits from the ethics committee, group charter documents, member disputes, leader elections, etc etc etc.

Instead, one dude said "Here's a glass design. I'll get them printed and handle getting them to bars."

True, he collected some money to offset his costs, but that money was not sent to any "Right to Brew" organization. It was collected among friends and friends of friends in a group buy of a pallet of glasses. No sales, no profits.

Many folks chipped in on moving the glasses around the state. I hauled lots of cases from N. Alabama to Montgomery and Auburn and even distributed many of the glasses you will find in the south part of Montgomery. Others hauled them other places. It was organized chaos.

The poster was the same way. Another dude said "Hey, here's a poster, I'm going to take this and run with it." And in a matter of a few days there were posters being printed. Someone else stepped up and took on the shipping of the posters to each 'region' where someone was willing to hand them out.

Involving money in politics makes you a lobbyist. There are a lot of rules that go along with that. "Right to Brew" is not a lobbyist group. It is simply a collective of like minded voters doing what any other person in the State could do. There are no badges at the State House or anything like that. Well, I take that back. We were all wearing a stick on VISITOR label yesterday! You could have walked in and gotten one just like it, and had just as much access as anyone else did.



And whatever happened to the separation of church and state? lol Using religion in a public rights/political argument is like using curse words to insult someone. You're just to ignorant to use logic and reasoned thinking.

There are many different ways to argue the detriments of alcohol abuse and the benefits of the brewing hobby. Religion should not be one of them.


Let me preface this with: I'm not a religious person.

That is an often misunderstood thing. It doesn't mean that you can't use religion in government. It simply means that they should not be one and the same. I've got no problem with the Committee and the Legislative Chambers opening each session with a prayer. If they force me, under the power of law, to participate in that prayer, or tell me I can't pray, go to this church, or they throw me in jail for going to the other church, that's where the separation thing should come in to play. Like so many other basic principles of our Constitution, that too has been bastardized into something that has nowhere near the original meaning.

ALCAP is a lobbyist organization. It is their right to lobby the Legislators using any tactics they choose. Dr. Ireland and Dr. Godfrey (who attended the House hearing yesterday) are both nice fellows. They are always pleasant to us and we are the same to them. We all had a fairly lengthy conversation yesterday prior to the public hearing convening. Their views, and the views of those who support them, differ from ours, that's all there is to it.

Neither side is "Bad people" as is the usual case with this kind of stuff.
 
Ireland quoted scripture from the Book of Romans that counsels “not to put a stumbling block” in the way of others.

Humph. Mr. Ireland and I interpret that bit of Romans differently. He's the one being the stumbling block, not the alcohol. Well, I suppose this isn't the place for that conversation.

Glad it passed the committee. Hopefully it will get passed before long.
 
Sadly, there are those down here in the bible belt that like to impose their agendas on others. Most specifically, one particular denomination that while I will leave them nameless, is known to be EXTREMELY hypocritical on fronts such as these. A childhood friend of mine was the son of one of their preachers. He beat him nightly leaving distinct "injury" that occasionally resulted in infection. Sorry but I have nothing nice to say on their behalves. As a result I typically abstain but this whole thing wreaks now as it always has. It's really no wonder why many non-religious groups despise Christians.

Sorry, biting my tongue now before I say what I really mean.

I will, however, say i've never had the misfortune of meeting a homebrewer that wasn't upstanding.
 
I think painting any group based on the actions of a few is a dangerous activity.

I'd bet I could find you a few bad homebrewers, and I can guarantee that I can find you a few good Christians. In fact, I can show you a few good Christian Homebrewers.

We were recently told by one of the Senators that they voted no on our Bill based solely on the number of calls they received in their office. That is proof that we need to let our voices be heard!

We may not have much warning when our bills are headed to the Floor this year!
 
It is coming down to crunch time. If you care about this, contact your Senator and Representative. Make a call or send a quick e-mail asking for their support. It doesn't take long and could be the difference!
 
BTW, I didn't hear back from my Rep, but my Senator sent me a canned e-mail. As far as I know neither has ever voted for any alcohol bills, so I'm not holding my breath that they will change their minds this year...

Thank you so much for your email. I appreciate your taking the time to contact me.
I read every e-mail I receive, and I do my best to reply to
as many as possible. Unfortunately, there just isn't enough time in the day to reply
to all of them.
Your opinion is important to me, and you can rest assured that I will
give your e-mail the serious consideration it deserves.
Best Regards,
Trip
 
My lovely fiancée emailed her senator and representative without me really having to ask. I love this woman. l'll do the same right now in a minute.
 
Yes, there are homebrewing Christians... In the interest of full disclosure, I'm catholic but frankly I believe they put their nose where it doesn't belong on a very regular basis. I also condemn the same actions as wrong in those cases as well though. That said, in this particular case, it is quite the norm and I'd be harder pressed to find the exception to the rule (not on the child abuse to be fair) than to find perfect fits... It's funny how they overlook passages where Jesus creates wine or instructions such as “Drink your wine with a merry heart.” Ecclesiastes 9:7.

But I digress and to get back on topic... I'm glad to hear of the success that has been achieved this year. One thing I'm not clear on is I've heard that since the bills are the same if they pass the House and Senate even with different nomenclature they can be sent to the Governor as is. Not sure if that's true (it's probably in this thread somewhere in fact so I'll have to wait until later when I can reread it a bit more closely to find out) but I'd love to know.
 
I think painting any group based on the actions of a few is a dangerous activity.

I'd bet I could find you a few bad homebrewers, and I can guarantee that I can find you a few good Christians. In fact, I can show you a few good Christian Homebrewers.

We were recently told by one of the Senators that they voted no on our Bill based solely on the number of calls they received in their office. That is proof that we need to let our voices be heard!

We may not have much warning when our bills are headed to the Floor this year!

I'd like to think of myself like this. That seems a bit self serving though.
 
One thing I'm not clear on is I've heard that since the bills are the same if they pass the House and Senate even with different nomenclature they can be sent to the Governor as is.

Yes, the Bills are identical. So assume the HB passes Tuesday (just assume...) then our Senate sponsor would simply substitute the HB in place of the SB and the floor debate would continue.

If the SB passes first, then it would get substituted in the place of the HB for the debate over there.

This helps speed the process along as we were able to clear both committees right away. Otherwise, if we only had a HB we would have to wait to pass the House floor vote before we could go to the Senate committee.

Another option - Assume the SB fails the floor vote and the HB passes. The HB can then go to committee in the Senate and try it's luck at another floor vote. Not sure that would happen, but it could.
 
Mississippi's homebrew will made it out of House committee today. Next step House floor vote.

Our bill has previously passed in the MS Senate.
 
Mississippi's homebrew will made it out of House committee today. Next step House floor vote.

Our bill has previously passed in the MS Senate.

If it passes the house vote will it go straight to the govenor to be signed? Any idea on time line? As a proud " want to brew Mississipian " just curious.
 
Accidic said:
I wouldn't have considered it a hijack. We're neighbors suffering the same prohibition. I'd like to see the outdated restrictions lifted in both places in any event.

Thanks. Good luck to you guys.
 
Well, fudge that we're so far down... but at least we are on the list. Maybe we'll find the floor on Friday?
 
The bills are on the SOC for tomorrow. They are quite a ways down the list. I would not be surprised if they didn't get to them...


http://alisondb.legislature.state.a...OfDay/H-Calendar-9.pdf?Label=H-Calendar-9.pdf

http://alisondb.legislature.state.a...OfDay/S-Calendar-9.pdf?Label=S-Calendar-9.pdf

Those two are actually the "Regular Calendar" not the "Special Order Calendar" that they follow. From what I am told, the Regular Calendar contains everything that has come out of Committee Favorably. They take the "Regular Calendar" and pick and choose what they want to make the "Special Order Calendar".

So, yeah, confusing. I didn't know the "Regular Calendar" existed until today, I had always wondered why the other one was "Special."

But yeah, we may see the House floor tomorrow.
 
This is the SOC for tomorrow (I stopped copying at HB9) I'm not sure if there is anything that will hold things up, but being #12 on the list has me cautiously optimistic that they may get to it tomorrow.

ALABAMA HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

Proposed Special Order Calendar

(THIS DOES NOT CONSTITUTE AN OFFICIAL NOTICE)

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PROPOSED BY THE RULES COMMITTEE
FOR THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 28, 2013
THE 9th LEGISLATIVE DAY



HR ______ SPECIAL ORDER CALENDAR BY: HOUSE RULES COMMITTEE



BE IT RESOLVED BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE LEGISLATURE OF ALABAMA, That immediately upon the adoption of this resolution, the following business, in the order set forth below, shall be the special and paramount order of business for the 9th legislative day taking precedence over the regular order of business or any pending or unfinished business.


Representative Ball:
HB164
Economic Development, tax increment district, Major 21st Century Manufacturing Zone authorized in municipalities, development of distressed areas, tax credit required, Secs. 11-99-1, 11-99-2, 11-99-4, 11-99-5, 11-99-6, 11-99-8 am'd.

Senator Marsh-Representative Johnson, K:
SB108
Public Safety, Secretary of Public Safety created; Public Safety Fund created, certain investigative and law enforcement function of various state entities consolidated, Department of Public Safety reorganized, Homeland Security Department eliminated, uniform changes by Code Commissioner required, Secs. 41-9-592, 41-9-593 am'd.

Senator Williams-Representative Ball:
SB117
State Government, Secretary of Information Technology created, Legislative Oversight Committee on Information Technology established, power and duties, membership exempt from Sunset, Secs. 16-61D-1 to 16-61D-6, inclusive, repealed; Sec. 41-4-221 am'd.

Representative Boothe:
HB289
Agriculture, irrigation equipment, income tax credit for
installation, qualified reservoir for purpose of withdrawals further defined, carry forward and pass through further provided for, Sec. 40-18-342 am'd.

Representative Greeson:
HB54
Co. jails, pharmacies, prescription drugs, redispensing under certain conditions in same manner as pharmacies in state correctional facilities, Sec. 14-1-19 am'd.

Representative Love:
HB111
Transportation Department, director authorized to appoint assistant counsel subject to State Merit System, Sec. 23-1-26 am'd.

Representative Beckman:
HB14
Prisoners, escaped inmates, notification of state and local agencies and news media, liability limited, Joel Willmore Act, Sec. 14-3-58 am'd.

Senator Figures-Representative Boyd:
SB18
Motorcycles, distinctive license plate for breast cancer research under certain conditions, annual fee, distrib., Breast Cancer Research Foundation provide design

Representative Williams (J):
HB40
Tax credit, investment in Alabama entrepreneurial business

Representative Tuggle:
HB144
Housing Authorities, bonds, interest on bonds to be paid according to terms of resolution or its trust indenture or mortgage, bonds sold as determined by authority, 10 days notice required for public sale, Sec. 24-1-32 am'd.

Representative Moore (B):
HB257
Business license tax, rental of residential real estate tax, not to be on a per unit basis, const. amend.

Representative McCutcheon:
HB9
Beer, cider, and wine, homebrewing in limited amounts by adult persons for personal use authorized without taxation or licensure, penalties, convicted felon prohibited from homebrewing
 
It will be a miracle if we get a vote today. The house can be a study in inefficiency. If our bill isn't in the first 3-4 they can stall all day just to keep from getting to HB9.
 
Does the streaming feature on the Alabama State Legislature site work? I pulled the site up when I got to work and the time that they state is the current time hasn't changed since I pulled it up. I've tried refreshing and closing and re-opening the page several times with no luck. I was really hoping to listen to the debate today if they get to HB9.

EDIT - crap...the time just updated, they are in session and I'm getting nothing. I guess work is preventing the streaming. Bummer.
 
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