American Barleywine AG - Water Into Barleywine

[ruger988]

Going to be brewing a BW based on this soon. Questions on bottling/conditioning though. I'm planning to secondary in a corny for a few months and then bottling with a beer gun straight from the carbed keg. That being said I have a few questions:

Should I carb as soon as I rack it to the keg or wait until I'm ready to bottle?
When should I dry hop in the keg? (before, during or after carb)
Should I crack the keg and add a packet of something like Nottingham to help it continue to age in the bottles or will there be enough yeast left over after 3-4 months of conditioning?
I'll have the space to keep it in the keezer the whole time (keep it around 45*) should I do that or let it sit at room temp?

Thanks

 

[Shenanigans]

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[Shenanigans]

I know it's an expensive hobby and one should use the best quality ingredients but here where I live if I use 1.5lbs of maple syrup it would cost between 10 and 15 dollars. I know from experience if added to the boil honey will only up the abv. and dry out the bier a bit. Has anyone had success brewing this with a homemade candi syrup using this method?
https://www.homebrewtalk.com/f12/20-lb-sugar-jar-yeast-nutrient-114837/

I guess the "deep amber" version would be the best option.

I can also get some of this stuff for about half the price of maple syrup, probably too dark though:
http://www.candico.be/products/sugar-candy/candy-syrup.aspx

Thanks!

 

[srob18]

I'm currently brewing a version of this. Looking forward to it!

6lb LME

4lb 2row
4lb dark Munich
.5lb crystal 60
.5lb crystal 90
12oz Map Syrup

Yeast nutrient and 3 packs US-05

 

[srob18]

This is your Barley Wine, This is you barley wine on 3 packs of US-05

 

[TrustyOlJohnson]

this is your barley wine, this is you barley wine on 3 packs of us-05

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[Elysium]

Water Into Barleywine

A ProMash Recipe Report
Recipe Specifics
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Batch Size (Gal): 5.00 Wort Size (Gal): 5.00
Total Grain (Lbs): 19.00
Anticipated OG: 1.10628 Plato: 25.119
Anticipated SRM: 18.2
Anticipated IBU: 95.1
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75 %
Wort Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Grain/Extract/Sugar
% Amount Name Origin Potential SRM
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52.6 10.00 lbs. Pale Malt(2-row) Great Britain 1.03800 3
21.1 4.00 lbs. Munich Malt Germany 1.03700 8
13.2 2.50 lbs. Flaked Rye America 1.03400 2
7.9 1.50 lbs. Maple Syrup Generic 1.03100 35
2.6 0.50 lbs. Crystal 55L Great Britian 1.03400 55
2.6 0.50 lbs. Crystal 90L America 1.03300 90

Hops
Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
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2.00 oz. Chinook Pellet 13.00 74.3 60 min.
1.33 oz. Northern Brewer Pellet 9.00 20.8 20 min.
1.00 oz. Northern Brewer Pellet 9.00 0.0 0 min.
1.00 oz. Northern Brewer Pellet 9.00 0.0 Dry Hop

Yeast
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White Labs WLP001 California Ale

Mash Schedule
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Mash Type: Single Step
Grain Lbs: 17.50

Saccharification Rest Temp : 148 Time: 60

I was wondering when u add the mapple syrup? Just before the end of the boil?

 

[BroomVikin]

I see the OP says a "huge starter" and others refer to their "enormous starter". If I'm doing a 5.5g batch is a 2L starter about right? I've never done a beer this big before and so I'm not sure what an OG that high will need.

 

[Shenanigans]

Still no suggestions for a mapel syrup substitute or is it the syrup that makes this beer what it is?

 

[srob18]

Still no suggestions for a mapel syrup substitute or is it the syrup that makes this beer what it is?

Brown Sugar maybe, i used maple in my batch

 

[ruger988]

Still no suggestions for a mapel syrup substitute or is it the syrup that makes this beer what it is?

Syrup is pretty easy to come by, I would just stick to the syrup. Really made this a great BW.

 

[BroomVikin]

This is the next recipe on my to-do list. And inspired by one of my local favorites, I'm planning on bourbon "barrel" aging it. However, I've never done that before. Assuming I'm looking to do a 5.5g batch, how much oak and bourbon should I use and at what point in fermentation should I do. Other post I've read seem to vary but generally it seems like 1½-2 weeks in secondary is the norm. Does this seem about right for a barleywine?

 

[srob18]

This is the next recipe on my to-do list. And inspired by one of my local favorites, I'm planning on bourbon "barrel" aging it. However, I've never done that before. Assuming I'm looking to do a 5.5g batch, how much oak and bourbon should I use and at what point in fermentation should I do. Other post I've read seem to vary but generally it seems like 1½-2 weeks in secondary is the norm. Does this seem about right for a barleywine?

I've used oak chips on an ipa before and it came out very oaky, too much for my liking. I feel liked you'd want to Secondary age it in the oak, then rack out of the barrel. I've never used one but i'd assume the high alc content plus high hop content could help with not having a over oaked beer. 1-2 weeks is normal with oak chips, however im not sure about the barrel.

 

[BroomVikin]

I've used oak chips on an ipa before and it came out very oaky, too much for my liking. I feel liked you'd want to Secondary age it in the oak, then rack out of the barrel. I've never used one but i'd assume the high alc content plus high hop content could help with not having a over oaked beer. 1-2 weeks is normal with oak chips, however im not sure about the barrel.

I might have been unclear. I'm planning to use oak chips (not lucky enough to have an actual barrel). You think 1-2 weeks with the chips and then bottle and put it away for a while?

 

[srob18]

I might have been unclear. I'm planning to use oak chips (not lucky enough to have an actual barrel). You think 1-2 weeks with the chips and then bottle and put it away for a while?

Hmmm, maybe because the beer is big it will help, but id be safe and use only 1oz. my experience with oaking my ipa did not go well. Although, you could pasteurize(put them in boiling water to take some of the potency away) them and then soak them in some whiskey or something for a couple of days and it might give you less of an overriding oak affect.

 

[orangemen5]

Just finished brewing this up. OG 1.100.
What's everyone hitting for there FG? How long is everyone aging this before drinking.

 

[srob18]

Mine stopped a little higher then i'd like, around 1.034 i think. I'm getting ready to bottle, i still need to dry hop and probably will this week. Puts me around the 7 or 8 month mark i think.

 

[orangemen5]

FG ended up at 1.024. Not sure if it's too high or not. OP never posted his FG

 

[pricelessbrewing]

FG ended up at 1.024. Not sure if it's too high or not. OP never posted his FG

Not sure, it has fg listed as.... 1.024! Sounds like you nailed it.

 

[orangemen5]

Not sure, it has fg listed as.... 1.024! Sounds like you nailed it.

Nice. I'm on the app it prob isn't showing all recipe info.

 

[Rotule]

i'm currently planning this brew soon, I'll pitch on the yeast cake of a light Blond Ale I have in the Carboy.

I'm thinking of replacing the maple syrup by its equivalent gravity points in american 2-row, what do you guys think?

The maple syrup is expensive at the grocery and I don't have a family member who could sell me his harvest (i'm canadian )

 

[BroomVikin]

i'm currently planning this brew soon, I'll pitch on the yeast cake of a light Blond Ale I have in the Carboy.

I'm thinking of replacing the maple syrup by its equivalent gravity points in american 2-row, what do you guys think?

The maple syrup is expensive at the grocery and I don't have a family member who could sell me his harvest (i'm canadian )

Gravity-wise I'm sure it would work but personally I loved the slight maple taste that the syrup gave me when I made it.

 

[orangemen5]

^ I agree. I used grade B maple syrup and my beer has a strong maple flavor. It does make for an expensive brew but it's one that can be savored for quite awhile.

 

[Rotule]

Thanks, I'll have to try it, (WITH the maple)

I really hope it does taste, just that I have read this thread and I was concerned it would show in the taste.
https://www.homebrewtalk.com/showthread.php?t=273036

There was no Flaked Rye at my LHBS, I took the equivalent in gravity points of malted rye, i guess its going to be ok anyone tried?

I'M also wondering what kind of hop bill did you go for the second runnings? I have EKG, lemondrop,azacca and centennial in big quantities..

 

[Rotule]

Just a heads up, I did an Hybrid IPA with the second runnings, I ended with 15L with a OG of 1.055

I used the following hops that I had in stock :
17g Chinook - 60 min
13g EKG - 60 min
43g EKG - 20 min

I just tasted the sampler (now at 1.016) and it taste REALLY GOOD ( i was afraid because the wort was Bitter as hell but its now very good )

I don't talk much about the Barleywine because I need to let it sit for long (and keep the temptation away)

I wish I'd sparged more to have more of this

 

[Shenanigans]

Just a heads up, I did an Hybrid IPA with the second runnings, I ended with 15L with a OG of 1.055

I used the following hops that I had in stock :
17g Chinook - 60 min
13g EKG - 60 min
43g EKG - 20 min

I just tasted the sampler (now at 1.016) and it taste REALLY GOOD ( i was afraid because the wort was Bitter as hell but its now very good )

I don't talk much about the Barleywine because I need to let it sit for long (and keep the temptation away)

I wish I'd sparged more to have more of this

Cool, thanks for the tip. Might try that myself
what yeast did you use for the second runnings?

 

[Rotule]

what yeast did you use for the second runnings?

I use the yeast cake of WLP001 for the Barleywine so I just took a little bit of it
and made starter for the Second runnings as well.

Its a little less dry than Nothingham (Ithink) but its pretty neutral and I wanted to try this yeast I think it will be similar.

 

[srob18]

I brewed this over a year ago. Let it sit in the secondary for about 6 months then bottle conditioned for 4. The first bottle i opened sound like a damn champagne bottle opening. It's very smooth and the maple syrup give its an interesting sweet burn. Mine was not nearly as efficient as others on this thread but its still around 9%. Color and hop profile on this are great. I'd probably brew it again and maybe add half the maple syrup at flame out half right when primary fermentation was a couple of days in. I didn't use a starter but used 3 packs of yeast.

Will post a pick of the beer soon.

 

[anteater8]

I brewed this back in November but increased the maple a bit to get a slightly higher OG. After a month in primary I transferred onto 0.1 oz oak/gal (boiled 5-10 minutes). After three more months I added another 0.1 oz/gal and a month after that it is tasting really great. I've never gotten the really nice vanilla notes from oak until now, I think its from smaller amounts over longer periods of time. I will likely bottle some as is, some with bourbon and some with madeira.

 

[anteater8]

I brewed this back in November but increased the maple a bit to get a slightly higher OG. After a month in primary I transferred onto 0.1 oz oak/gal (boiled 5-10 minutes). After three more months I added another 0.1 oz/gal and a month after that it is tasting really great. I've never gotten the really nice vanilla notes from oak until now, I think its from smaller amounts over longer periods of time. I will likely bottle some as is, some with bourbon and some with madeira.

Finally cracked a bottle of my bourbon/oak version of this (brewed in Nov, bottled in May). First off, I was thrilled with the carb and head retention for an 11.3% brew. Lots of fig and raisin on the nose. Taste is caramel, fig, plum, and the maple is surprisingly noticeable. Little bit of bourbon and oak in there, I almost get a kind of nutmeg type of spiciness from the oak. Very slight alcohol burn, needs time to mellow and integrate. Probably won't open any more bottles for another 2 months but really happy with it overall.