2nd All Grain Recipe help (IPA hopefully)

[Indyoshi]

So I am getting geared up to do my second all grain batch. I just went to my LHBS today and picked up a few things... any ideas on this? I like just making my own recipes rather than going off someone elses.... I am just wondering if the type of hops sound ok for that schedule or if I should change it up to avoid some sort of flavor dynamic that would suck... I also might dry hop this one with 1-2 oz of something... ideas? I havent plugged this into any calculators, but wanting to be in the 6-7% range ABV... I have US05 yeast or I could use Craft Series M-10 workhorse (just grabbed a packet to try it out)

5 gallon batch
Batch sparge 150 F for 75 min

8lbs 2 row
4 lbs munich
8oz Flaked Barley

Hops: All pellet
1 oz Bravo 15.5% 60 min
1/2 oz Citra 12.5% 30 min
1 oz Amarillo 8.7% 20 min
1/2 oz Amarillo 8.7% 10 min
1/2 oz Amarillo 8.7% 5 min
1/2 oz Citra 12.5% 5 min

I think Ill get about 70% efficiency (this is just my second and I just got my own grain mill, so maybe not).

1 hour boil.

I also have Cascade hops and Centennial Hops.

 

[brew_ny]

OG of 1.062 IBU of 110

might be a bit more hopper then you are looking for

here is a chart that you might find helpful

all the best

S_M

 

[Indyoshi]

Ever had hopadillo by karboch brewery or ranger? Those are two of my favorites. If I were to tone it down, what additions/ amounts of times should I change?

 

[brew_ny]

IBU: ~ 65

for hopadillo is a bit differant then 110

but if you like it is beer

all the best

S_M

 

[brewmeister13]

If I were to tone it down, what additions/ amounts of times should I change?

If you are happy with the flavoring additions profile just adjust your 60 minute addition to hit your target IBU.

 

[Indyoshi]

Would halving the 60 min knock it in the 75ish range for IBU?

I know higher alpha hops add more bittering when added at the beginning of the boil. What happens to flavor/aroma when adding a higher alpha hop to the end of middle of the boil? If two hops have the same alpha, and are added at the same point in the boil, is flavor the only thing that changes? Can two hops with similar alphas be classified differently, like one a Bittering hop and one am aroma hop? Sorry for 20 questions but it seems that hops can get complicated fast when using multiple at different points in the boil. Anyone know of a chart or something that shows different hops and what they are best suited for,eg buttering, flavor, aroma?

Thanks

 

[brew_ny]

Would halving the 60 min knock it in the 75ish range for IBU?

I know higher alpha hops add more bittering when added at the beginning of the boil. What happens to flavor/aroma when adding a higher alpha hop to the end of middle of the boil? If two hops have the same alpha, and are added at the same point in the boil, is flavor the only thing that changes? Can two hops with similar alphas be classified differently, like one a Bittering hop and one am aroma hop? Sorry for 20 questions but it seems that hops can get complicated fast when using multiple at different points in the boil. Anyone know of a chart or something that shows different hops and what they are best suited for,eg buttering, flavor, aroma?

Thanks

not sure if that would do it or not you would need to put it into software

I use brewer's friend online, but you can use whatever you like

I have a couple of good links to PDFs about hops that I found to be good at helping me understand hops and their use

I will post them for you in a bit

all the best

S_M

 

[Indyoshi]

I just got the free trial of beer smith so I could play with it... I'd appreciate the kinks regarding the hops...

Are there certain pairings of hops that don't work well at all? Has anyone made a beer that solely based on the type of hops combined resulted in an undrinkable beer?

 

[brewmeister13]

I'm not super experienced, but I imagine there are some hops that the flavors would clash and a drinker may not like as a result. There are also some hops that certain people just can't stand. As long as you like citra and amarillo you should be fine. They play very nicely with each other.

 

[mac21]

http://byo.com/resources/hops

Here's a link that gives some good descriptions and substitutions for some hop profiles. I like to stick to one or two types of descriptors, like floral and citrus or grass and spice. Really depends on if you're using it as a bittering hop or flavor. I just bought a couple oz of Cascade to do some dry hopping with. Did some with Citra for my last IPA and it turned out great. Good luck!

 

[Indyoshi]

Awesome. Thanks for the link. I'm sure it will come in handy. I just checked the gravity on my first all grain batch which I thought was an IPA, but I'm told because of when I added the hops its more of a Czech bitter.... It definitely has some nice bitter bite, but virtually no hop flavor or aroma.... I might toss some hops in to dry hop it and see what happens. Lol. I'm all about just wingin it.

 

[Indyoshi]

I just finished cleaning up after brewing today. I changed the recipe to this:

Amt Name Type # %/IBU
8 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 1 64.0 %
4 lbs Munich Malt (9.0 SRM) Grain 2 32.0 %
8.0 oz Barley, Flaked (1.7 SRM) Grain 3 4.0 %
0.50 oz Bravo [15.50 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 4 25.9 IBUs
0.50 oz Citra [12.50 %] - Boil 30.0 min Hop 5 16.0 IBUs
0.50 oz Amarillo Gold [8.70 %] - Boil 20.0 min Hop 6 8.8 IBUs
1.00 Items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 mins) Fining 7 -
0.50 oz Amarillo Gold [8.70 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 8 5.3 IBUs
0.50 oz Amarillo Gold [8.70 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 9 2.9 IBUs
0.50 oz Bravo [15.50 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 10 5.2 IBUs
0.50 oz Citra [12.50 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 11 4.2 IBUs
1.00 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Dry Hop 14.0 Days Hop 12 0.0 IBUs


I did a batch sparge and per beersmith I got 77% efficiency. I could be off, but I think that is about right. my breboil gravity was 1.054. The odd thing is my boil off (I put 6.5 gal into the boil) wasnt the same as my last brew... or my measurements were off (just use a dipstick type thing to measure gallons in my kettle). It did reduce, but the odd thing to me is the OG after the boil (cooled to 67 degrees) was 1.060. Doesnt it seem odd that it would only go up .006 in an hour boil? I am in Galveston, so the humidity is high and I have a tall narrow 7.5 gal kettle... but last time I could have swore my boil off was about a gallon an hour. anyways...

I am going to dry hop it with 1OZ of pellet Citra for 14 days. I plan to let it ferment with US-05 for 14 days, then throw in the dry hops and let it sit for a total of 4 weeks. All in primary, because from what I read the secondary isnt really needed.

Thoughts?

 

[monkeybox]

14 days seems like a long time to dry hop, from my (limited) experience. Most recommendations I've seen are to dry hop for 3-7 days.

And having said that, I think I have an idea for another 10 gallon split batch when I do my next haus pale.

 

[MindenMan]

I am too new at dry hopping to pick a side. My first attempt was a two part Amber Ale; part 1 was 1/2 oz of Amarillo in 3 gallons, and part 2 was 1 oz in 4 gallons of the same Amber. The results were very different, but both were good. The 1oz batch was very "orange candy" in flavor, the other was just a hint of a nice compliment. I am on my second try with this BIPA I am ready to cold crash and bottle, except this BIPA is 3.5 gallons with a starting IBU of 91. I added 1/2 oz Citra, 1/2 oz U.S. Goldings, 1/2 oz Simcoe, and 1/2 oz Amarillo. So far the flavor is amazing, but only time will tell.

 

[Indyoshi]

From what I understand many people dry hop in the keg till its kicked. What is the difference between leaving in 3,5,14,30 days? I really like bitter fruity piney IPAs so I think I am going to stick with 14 days. I also think I'm going to add a 1/2 oz of Amarillo when dry hopping since I have it left over from this batch (come in 1oz packs). I like to take a sip and draw bubbles though the beer in my mouth (kind of like wine) to get a strong sense of hops and floavor and aroma that hit my sinuses. I'm so new to this and this is only my 4th brew ever. I have a bitter/maybe american IPA that I kegged today with not a lot of flavoring or aroma hops and no dry hop. I may just take that 1/2 oz of Amarillo and dry hop in the keg for that one.


On another note when I got my keg (on amazon with the kegerator kit) it had some kind of sanitizer in it when it shipped. I washed it super well and sanitized it and kegged a milk stout that I ended up dumping because of off flavors from fermenting too high (75+ degrees). But when I opened the keg to dump it still with 3 or so gallons of beer it really smelled still like that sanitizer. Very sharp smelling with citrus of grapefruit smell that tickled the nose.... I washed it again really well and put star San in it for 3 days and kegged that bitter today. Any idea how to get that smell out of the keg or if it will effect the bitter I put in it today?

 

[Indyoshi]

One more thing. Dry hop before or after or during cold crash?

 

[Indyoshi]

Holy smokes... This beer is amazing. Super citrus flavor and aroma. Floral notes. Earthy undertones excellent head till the last drop. Sorry to toot my own horn but this recipe is one I'll be coming in to perfect and duplicate. If you want a nice easy drinking ipa that hop heads and first time craft beer chick love give this a try. Ended up dry hoping 7 days with the citra and half oz.of bravo... Cold crash to.force carb and serve at 8 psi... Delish!

 

[brewmeister13]

Glad to hear it worked out so well for you.

 

[Indyoshi]

Yeah me too. Ha! Now I need a bigger fermentation chamber and kettle. Its time to move to 10 gallon batches. That was my 4th beer (third drinkable) and 2nd all grain of my own recipe.... Love this hobby. And thankfully my fiance can't get enough of it and is begging me to buy bigger stuff, get more kegs, add a tap or two more to the kegerator...

Speaking of bigger batches, do most just put the wort on two 6 gal carboys and pitch yeast on both or have a huge fv? I think I'll be using multi carboys and trying to mix the wort up really well before splitting it between the carboys to avoid differences in OG...