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Hi all,

This isn't really a 'help me' thread, just wanted to share some observations that may be helpful to other new to lager brewing, and maybe if others have had similar experiences I'd be interested in hearing them.

After ~2 years of brewing, I finally gave lagers a try about 6 months ago (and got instantly addicted to lager brewing). My first 4 lagers were all OG ~1.050, 2 viennas, a dortmunder, and a helles. All fermentations were very similar: ~12-18hr lag time, then slow and steady airlock activity (1-2 bubbles sec) for 3 days. Day 4 usually showed noticable slowing of airlock activity, then day 5 airlock activity was basically done. Then I'd ramp temp slowly up until hitting diacetyl rest temperature, hold there for a few days, then cold crash for a few days before kegging. Except for the first lager done with dry yeast, all others were pitched with either with a yeast harvest or a new liquid yeast built up on a stir-plate starter (~2L each time).

For my doppelbock, i had ~5.5 gal at an OG of 1.073 and pitched a ~3L starter aerated w/stir plate. I used roughly 200ml of harvested yeast slurry in the starter (3rd generation). My lag time was roughly equivalent to every other lager I've done, with visible activity ~12hr after pitching. I pitched at ~46f and allowed it to warm to ~48-50f. The 2nd day seemed to progress as normal, with accellerating airlock activity, but never quite reached the activity level of my previous lagers, with the 3rd day bubbling every 10-20 sec. It is now the 4th day after pitching and I'm seeing maybe 1 bubble every 30 sec or so.

I was expecting this fermentation to be much like my previous lager attempts, except maybe drawn out an extra couple days for the higher OG, but this appears to not be the case. Now, I know not to immediately assume airlock activity = fermentation activity, but I did find this a little curious. I'm thinking this could be due to two things;

1) the higher gravity/higher alcohol environment is suppressing the yeast activity a bit and is just going to mean an even slower and longer fermentation than i thought
2) I did notice my starter took off and finished more quickly than normally, maybe this carried over into the beer and I simply missed the most vigorous portion of fermentation.

I'll keep posting updates as the beer comes along. I plan on checking the gravity in a few days to see how my lil doppelbock is doing.
 
I peeked at the beer last night (i ferment in buckets so unfortunately I have to open it up to see) and it still had a nice thick krauesen on top. SG measured about 1.048-50, so its close to 50% attenuation from what I expect my FG to be (1.073 OG, hoping for 1.018-20 FG)

This morning still appears to be bubbling away. Activity is still slow, but seems to have leveled off to a steady rate. All appears to be well for now. Dang these big lagers take patience.
 
lagers are pokey. stay the course.

i'm assuming you mashed pretty high? what yeast? did you oxygenate?
 
I aimed for a mash temp of 155, but I ended up slightly shy at 154. My yeast was a 3rd generation of WLP838, which I built up into a 3L starter only a few days after kegging and harvesting from the last batch, then cold crashed it for a few days before brewing so i could pour off most of the liquid.

Oxygenation might be an area where big lagers will struggle for me. I aerate by shaking, since I don't have an O2 system. Basically i take it out of my chamber once it's reached pitching temp, shake the heck out of the bucket for 45 seconds, then open and pitch yeast, then seal it back up and shake it again for another 45 seconds.
 
You mean it would be beneficial to hit this current batch with some O2, or just have it on hand for future batches? I have been interested in trying O2 for aeration, this batch may just give me the kick in the butt I need to just go out and do it.
 
i would not mess with this current fermentation.

i would pick up an O2 system before brewing again.
 
Just an update, on the 5th day of fermentation the activity seemed even slower so I roused the yeast by gently rocking the fermenter for a few seconds to try to get some more of those little guys into suspension. It must have done something good because activity picked up noticeably and stayed somewhat high for the next 3 days. At that point activity began dropping off again so I started to slowly raise temperature (~2f every 12 hours) until hitting 65.

It has been sitting at this temp for 2 days, Its just now shy of 2 weeks from pitching and my measured SG is now 1.020, which is right where I wanted to end up! I took a small taste sample as well and its very nice, big malty flavor with a chocolaty note. Still a little rough around the edges but I've planned on lagering this one for a few months so hopefully that will smooth out. I'll probably leave it at the current temp for another day and then begin the cold crash.
 
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