07.07.07 Recipe discussion thread

[user 574]

Let's finalize the grain bill then talk hops. Man, like herding chickens 'round here.

Should we do a texasgeorge and brewsmith grain bill poll? If yes, and someone writes it make it expire so we can be clear there. Or perhaps tex and brewsmith can come to a concensus?

side note - I kinda like Cheesefoods 3 + 4 on the hops side. but that's the next topic.

 

[the_bird]

I'm liking the idea of it being like a seven-grain bread - but that kinda argues for the hop additions to be minimal, to let the the honey/bready/biscuity/yeasty characteristics come through.

Maybe we should back-burner the hops, and take this in more of a malt-centric direction?

 

[Cheesefood]

I like the Biscuit version. I think it'll make for a lighter colored brew, which I think is favored for summer consumption. I think the lighter, the better as far as color is concerned. Plus, I like the taste of biscuit malt.

 

[user 574]

I'm liking biscuit as well.

 

[Desert_Sky]

MO - 7lbs
MO toasted 1/2 lb
Vienna 1/2
10L 1/4
30L 1/4
Biscuit 3oz
Honey Malt 3 oz


1.048
damn near 7 SRM


?????

 

[1f1fan]

Cool idea guys..I really like this idea. I'm new here and I'm not sure what you all did for 06-06-06 however, I'd like to make some remarks based on what I have read on this thread. Just want to add a different and new perspective on this...don't want to muddy the issue.

When I think of a "celebration", "private reserve" or "commemorative" beer I think of something with a higher ABV..something that will age well and be enjoyed years down the road....not something you drink everyday but savor on special occasions and treasure each bottle as you let it mature.

I assume this beer will be brewed sometime in the near future and planned to be ready by 07-07-07, correct? A higher alcohol brew may not be at it's peak on 07-07-07, it should be approachable then (depending on when it's brewed) and only get better.

I do like the idea of an IPA, however a 7.77% ABV (yeah it might be hard to hit that exacty) or 7% IPA with 7 ingredients would be good. Maybe 4 types of malt and 3 types of hops with 7 hop additions of .7oz each ...I'm not counting the water or yeast.

If you want to go with 7 types of malt I think an Imperial Stout would be a good choice.

If this thread was started last Nov/Dec it would be cool to have 7 ingredients, 7% ABV and aged (cold conditioned) 7 months in the bottle/keg....maybe that's something to consider for 08-08-08??

Just my .02....carry on.

 

[MA_Brewer]

I assume this beer will be brewed sometime in the near future and planned to be ready by 07-07-07, correct? A higher alcohol brew may not be at it's peak on 07-07-07, it should be approachable then (depending on when it's brewed) and only get better.

We brew on 07/07/07 - it will be ready when it is ready

 

[MA_Brewer]

I'm liking biscuit as well.

Both versions seem pretty close, so I'm ok with either. I just looked, and 7/7/07 is a Saturday - how convenient!

 

[1f1fan]

We brew on 07/07/07 - it will be ready when it is ready

OK..thanks for the clarification.

 

[Orfy]

Not sure why you'd use 10l and 30l crystal.

 

[Cheesefood]

We brew on 07/07/07 - it will be ready when it is ready

I want to drink mine on 7/7/7. If it's good, I might rebrew on that same day.

 

[MA_Brewer]

I want to drink mine on 7/7/7. If it's good, I might rebrew on that same day.

That works for me too - hey, I'm new to this group brew.

 

[mcgeebc]

I'm glad I found this thread. My brother in law turns 21 on 07/07/07 and I've been looking for a good beer to brew for his first legal beer.

 

[user 574]

Yea, I'm pretty sure 7.7.7 was target drink day. Considering how close it is to Independence Day, I'm betting I'll be doing something else besides brewing on the 7th. But that one could be to each his own.

 

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I'm voting for texas george's grain bill. I do like the biscuit hops from the other proposal, so how about texas george's grain bill + 4 oz of biscuit?

 

[1f1fan]

I like the slot machine idea.

Lucky 7's IPA - released on 07-07-07

7 Ingredients
7 Hop additions
7 %ABV

Even if the group goes and does something totally different I'm going to give this a shot....along with the group brew. Going to be brewing a lot of IPA's this summer so this is right up my alley.

4 types of malt, 3 types of hops (maybe 7 hop additions) and a target of 7% ABV....keeping it simple

 

[the_bird]

I'm a fan of going in one of two directions...

1. Big, hoppy IPA (1070 OG), seven hop additions, seven hop varieties. Simplify the gain bill (pale, munich, crystal), don't try and do seven hops AND seven grains.

2. Malty, bready ale; 7-grain liquid bread. Seven gains, plus sugar as an adjunct. Pale, Munich/Vienna, Crystal, Wheat, Rye, Honey Malt, Biscuit. Hop it moderately with floral/earthy/spicey varieties, but no seven-hop additions; this beer is about the malt. Some bittering, maybe a LITTLE flavor, but no dryhopping. Mash a bit high for a fuller mouthfeel (offsetting the honey's dryness, too). OG maybe ~1055 - 1060; not small, not huge.

But utlimately, I'll brew whatever the group decides upon.

 

[Rhoobarb]

Yes, brew now for drinking on 7/7/07. I, too, like Cheese's 3+4 idea.

 

[Desert_Sky]

Not sure why you'd use 10l and 30l crystal.

for a mix of mild caramel and toffee instead of 1/2 pound of one or the other.

 

[Eastside Brewer]

Wow! I didn't think I would ever reach the end of this thread, and when I did reach the end, I never thought a decision would still not be made! I am all for the 7 grains, 7 hop adds, and a 7 percent beer. Right in the threshhold of a hoppy aipa. I do agree that over simplifying the recipe diminishes the the whole point of a special brew, we can all go down to the local grocery store and buy our favorite apa or ipa. I love the label that was posted earlier. Just my .02.

 

[Torchiest]

Okay, I think we should make a poll, and then we can focus on working on the details. I'd say these are the two primary choices we have:

1) Go with seven hops
2) Go with seven grains

Everything can follow from that, I think, and it still lets us discuss how strong it should be, etc, seperately, but at least we could get one part decided. Does that sound reasonable? Maybe I should put up a poll to find out if I should put up a poll?

 

[Eastside Brewer]

Remind me not to go to Vegas with any of you conservatives!!! You want a triple 7 lucky beer but you don't want to gamble? Go big or go home! Somebody start a poll already!

 

[jezter6]

I'm way late to this thing, but my roommate and I were thinking of taking our Sorachi Saison to 1.070 and beyond.

I like the idea of Sorachi's being the 'special and wierd' addition. Anything else you can just pick up at the LHBS isn't really in the spirit (IMHO) of having the strange stand out.

The Saison is a great light summer beer, and at 1.070 will give quite a kick. The great part about Sorachi is that at 13.7 percent, you don't need a lot to get IBU quickly, and they impart extra sweet citrus flavor.

Here's a link to my regular sorachi. If we play around in beersmith over the weekend to make it a big 1.070, I'll post it as well.

https://www.homebrewtalk.com/showthread.php?t=21487

 

[RichBrewer]

Due to work I haven't been able to get in here much this weekend. Where are we at?
I need to brew soon!

 

[texasgeorge]

Due to work I haven't been able to get in here much this weekend. Where are we at?

We are here on the grain bill (as far as I can tell... no objections anyway)
From: https://www.homebrewtalk.com/showpost.php?p=210834&postcount=26

5.5 gallon recipe to get us to 7.0 SRM:

SG 1.050 (75% eff)

7.00 lb 2-row
1.00 lb Wheat Malt
0.50 lb Vienna
0.50 lb Honey Malt
0.50 lb Crystal 10L
0.50 lb Victory Malt
0.25 lb Biscuit Malt

As far as hops, the thread is here. I think we're doing max 3 hop varieties, with seven additions (maybe?). Still discussing though... someone needs to make a decision.

There's also a thread here about trying to get a site to give everyone a bulk-buy discount once we finalize a recipe.


Cheers!! :cross:

 

[Tony]

Anything on yeast choices yet?

 

[MA_Brewer]

Anything on yeast choices yet?

Wyeast 1056 seems to be an standard choice, but proably too common for what folks here will want to see. Maybe 1272?

1272 American Ale Yeast II. Fruitier and more flocculent than 1056, slightly nutty, soft, clean, slightly tart finish. Accentuates hop character at warmer fermentation temperatures with intense fruitiness. Flocculation - high; apparent attenuation 72-76%. (60-72° F, 15-22° C)

1056 American Ale Yeast.
Probable origin: Balentine India Pale Ale, USA
Beer Styles: American Pale, Brown Ales, Porters, Stouts, IPA's
Commercial examples may include: Sierra Nevada Ales, Belentine IPA, and St. Louis Pale Ale, Flatlanders
Unique properties: Very clean crisp flavor characteristics. Low fruitiness and mild ester production. Slightly citrus like with cool 60-66º F, (15-19º C) fermentation temperatures. Versatile yeast, which produces many beer styles allowing malt and hop character to dominate the beer profile. Flocculation is moderate. Flocculation improves with dark malts in grain bill. Normally requires filtration for bright beers. DE or Pad filtration recommended. Flocculation - low to medium; apparent attenuation 73-77%. (60-72° F, 15-22° C)

 

[texasgeorge]

1272 sounds real good, yeah. I'd like to see a higher flocculant yeast like that for clarity purposes.

 

[Tony]

Sounds like a good choice. 1272 is definately one of my favorite yeasts to use, and gives an excellent flavor.

 

[Brewing Clamper]

So it seems like we have two different schools of though here:

1) Brew to drink on 7.7.07
2) Brew on 7.7.07

Clarification please?

 

[Cheesefood]

So it seems like we have two different schools of though here:

1) Brew to drink on 7.7.07
2) Brew on 7.7.07

Clarification please?

Please - no more polls or new threads on this topic!

 

[Brewing Clamper]

Please - no more polls or new threads on this topic!

LOL! Yeah, I didn't dare start a new one...

 

[knipknup]

Calling Dude, You started the whole thing so you have the honor of making the call if you desire. Please post the last word, recipe, hops, etc.

I want to brew soon so I have it to tweak/drink while brewing again on 777!

 

[Torchiest]

So it seems like we have two different schools of though here:

1) Brew to drink on 7.7.07
2) Brew on 7.7.07

Clarification please?

Heh, I'm pretty sure it's a free for all on brewing dates. I bet some people will do both.

As for the recipe, I think we've gotten to this:

Malts:
7.00 lb 2-row
1.00 lb Wheat Malt
0.50 lb Vienna
0.50 lb Honey Malt
0.50 lb Crystal 10L
0.50 lb Victory Malt
0.25 lb Biscuit Malt

Hops:
Amarillo
Simcoe
and...?

Yeast:
Nothing decided, maybe White Labs WLP001?

 

[Captain Willard]

...
Yeast:
Nothing decided, maybe White Labs WLP001?

WLP007?

 

[knipknup]

I prefer wyeast and will substitute. My LHBS tends to have old white labs that takes 10 days to start. Bad juju!

 

[Torchiest]

That's fine. They have many equivalent strains. My LHBS only has White Labs, so that's my bias.

 

[MA_Brewer]

So it seems like we have two different schools of though here:

1) Brew to drink on 7.7.07
2) Brew on 7.7.07

Clarification please?

I originally thought we would brew on 7/7/07, but then Cheese and a few others said they were brewing now for drinking on 7/7/07. How was it done last year, with 6/6/06? How many people participated last year? I didn't really start reading this site until September, so, I wasn't around....

 

[Rhoobarb]

Last year we brewed so that the beer would (ideally) be ready to drink on 6/6/06. Take a look.

 

[seyahmit]

I'm late to the recipe suggestion party, but I would replace the biscuit with Munich and bump it up to .75-1lb. While taking the wheat down to .5lb. I think Victory and biscuit are in the same ball park and Munich would add a little more depth.


As for a suggestion for a third hop, how about Northern Brewer. I think NB would balance the super citrus of the Amarillo and Simcoe