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So I thought this sounded good and whipped up a batch on tuesday 9-25. I made it exactly the same as the recipe except I added some yeast nutrient and started the sg a little higher at 1.070. Also I used ec-1118 yeast as it was all I had on hand. The airlock has been steadily bubbling after the first day. Decided to check it today thinking it has been going crazy in there. It is already down to 1.010. So what I am wondering is can I go ahead and proceed with the rest of the instructions or do I continue to let it go ... In 14 days (per the recipe) I am sure it will be completely dry. At the rate its going I would expect it to be 1.000 by tomorrow. Thanks for your input. :drunk:
 
I think this is intended though to ensure all the bottles get an even distribution of the syrup. I may be wrong on that point but I'm thinking as long as the distribution is even, it gets stirred up again when pouring into a glass. I don't get this when kegging.

That said, I did mix during and again after kegging and still have the issue. Anyone else keg this with success?

The only other option that I have seen so far (way back in this thread) was someone that used a Wine Degassing whip. If I am remembering the statement correctly, once used, s/he never had a problem with the separation. So, If you just pitched on the syrup in the keg (or added while siphoning or whatever you do), used a whip with your drill, apparently that will mix it well enough that separation shouldn't be an issue.
 
Just tapped the keg on my second batch of this excellent cider and have to say that I have no issues with the syrup not being mixed like my first keg.
What I did different this time was to get a gallon pitcher and poured the concentrate and syrup in ,and mixed very well. I started racking the cider from the secondary to the keg and waited until it was about half full and slowly poured the pitcher of syrup/concentrate into the keg while the cider continued to transfer. I also took my long sanitized spoon and slowly stirred the cider to aid in getting a good mix. This seem's to have worked well for me. :mug:
 
What I did different this time was to get a gallon pitcher and poured the concentrate and syrup in ,and mixed very well. I started racking the cider from the secondary to the keg and waited until it was about half full and slowly poured the pitcher of syrup/concentrate into the keg while the cider continued to transfer. I also took my long sanitized spoon and slowly stirred the cider to aid in getting a good mix. This seem's to have worked well for me. :mug:

Very good advice! :tank:
 
Excellent... Thanks, I really appreciate the advice. (Ha ha ha... I'm siting here trying to figure out how to make alcohol from scratch, but didn't know how to make concentrate.) I did actually try to "simmer" the water out of the juice, but it didn't work.

Simmering wouldn't do it - you'd need to boil off the extra water, which would also partly caramelize the sugars in the juice (which might be quite tasty for this recipe) - freezing is a better option to preserve the flavors.
 
Really pumped. Bottling this tonight with 3 cans of AJC and the caramel sauce. However, this fermented down to 1.01 in about a week and a half. Does it matter that it went so quickly?
 
Just a picture of my caramel sauce bubbling away earlier this morning

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I have a batch of this cider fermenting and was thinking of putting a few bottles away for 6 months or till this time next year.
Has anyone tried this?
 
I have a batch of this cider fermenting and was thinking of putting a few bottles away for 6 months or till this time next year.
Has anyone tried this?

Be careful, there's a chance it can turn into vinegar. Something like cider isn't as complex as beer with all the malt and hops and other types of sugars. Aging won't really do wonders to it like it would a high grav beer.
 
While I agree that it can turn into vinegar, if transfers and bottling is handled carefully and everything is sanitized, cider WILL get better with age, especially any cider made with raw apple juice or cider from an orchard. I am on my first 2 batches of cider with store bought juice, so I can't comment on this particular recipe, but the principle is the same, more aging = mellowed more complex flavors.... To a point. Most will hit their stride at a year, then decline slowly.
 
While I agree that it can turn into vinegar, if transfers and bottling is handled carefully and everything is sanitized, cider WILL get better with age, especially any cider made with raw apple juice or cider from an orchard. I am on my first 2 batches of cider with store bought juice, so I can't comment on this particular recipe, but the principle is the same, more aging = mellowed more complex flavors.... To a point. Most will hit their stride at a year, then decline slowly.

+1 - I've only heard of ciders increasing in goodness....but, that's assuming the sanitation is well done as mentioned above. I've got one cider that's nearly 1 year old that is just now becoming better. It's taken forever and I've thrown back a few throughout the past 12 months but saved about 20 bottles. And it's becoming more and more palatable. In this case, I'm more curious if you COULD hide this stuff. It's so good there's really no reason not to just make more of it!
 
So just finished bottling. Had the problem of the syrup sinking to the bottom of the bottling bucket and I even tried to prevent by: mixing concentrate with syrup before adding, stirred a few times during bottling. Oh we'll, tasted it and it was amazingggg. Question though. My yeast cake looked a bit weird. This is my first 5 gallon batch of cider and have only done 3 batches of beer. The cake seemed almost like the consistency of white mud and had little holes in it(assuming where the c02 is forming) does this sound normal? Unfortunately I didn't take pictures
 
HopHeaven said:
So just finished bottling. Had the problem of the syrup sinking to the bottom of the bottling bucket and I even tried to prevent by: mixing concentrate with syrup before adding, stirred a few times during bottling. Oh we'll, tasted it and it was amazingggg. Question though. My yeast cake looked a bit weird. This is my first 5 gallon batch of cider and have only done 3 batches of beer. The cake seemed almost like the consistency of white mud and had little holes in it(assuming where the c02 is forming) does this sound normal? Unfortunately I didn't take pictures

Totally normal. Sounds like a well compacted yeast cake. I've had many that have little holes in them. It's just where the CO2 escaped from after it compacted.
 
Caramel Apple Hard Cider

Recipe for Caramel Syrup:
2 cups of water
2 cups of light brown sugar
2 tsp. ground cinnamon
Combine in a saucepan and bring to a boil. At boil, reduce heat and simmer for about 5 minutes (until volume is reduced to half). Let cool & bottle for future use.

Just made the sauce and realized I used dark brown sugar instead of light brown. Will this make a significant difference or should I redo it?
 
Dang, checked SG 8 days in and I'm still as high as 1.03. It fermented and foamed up and dropped really quickly for me so I was hoping its would finish early. (in time for Canadian thanksgiving, this weekend) I doubt it will drop another .015 in another few days eh?
Oh well....
 
So heres a question. So, I just found out about carb tablets... Would it be possible to use campden tabs to kill off all yeast, then add Carb tabs to get desired carbonation? That way you wouldn't have to worry about waiting correct amount of time and pasteurizing the bottles?
 
OG was 1.064 and currently sitting at 1.014 at 12 days (6.7% ABV). Chances this will continue to ferment a bit drier? Used Fermentis Safale S-04 and am heading out of town on Tuesday. Going to give it to Sunday to ferment a bit longer then rack onto the camden tablets before the backsweetening (it didn't get very dry, so i'll start with 1 can of the AJ concentrate and go from there) on Monday. Then a 14-28 day room temp rest in the keg with enough pressure to seal the lid.
 
Bottled my batch today from the Secondary. OG was 1.062 on 9/17... FG yesterday when I transfered to secondary was 1.004. Used nottingham with one addition of yeast nutrient on the third day. Added the syrup and 3 cans of AJ concentrate and it tastes like liquid apple sauce, smells like apple pie. Gonna let it carb for a few days and then pasteurize to serve at a Halloween party on the 27th. Can't wait
 
So heres a question. So, I just found out about carb tablets... Would it be possible to use campden tabs to kill off all yeast, then add Carb tabs to get desired carbonation? That way you wouldn't have to worry about waiting correct amount of time and pasteurizing the bottles?

I don't think campdem tablets kills yeast
 
Hey guys,
Any ideas on how to get this into the Tap-A-Draft PET bottles? I read through about 28 posts, couldn't find anyone addressing this yet. I know I can't pasteurize in these things.

Thanks!
 
Hey guys,
Any ideas on how to get this into the Tap-A-Draft PET bottles? I read through about 28 posts, couldn't find anyone addressing this yet. I know I can't pasteurize in these things.

Thanks!

Lots of opening and releasing pressure every so often? Otherwise, you may end up having to make a still cider. Maybe someone else will have a method...
 
Seems like the easiest way would be to let it carb as desired in another container, pasteurize it or chemically arrest the yeast, then transfer it to the Tap-A-Draft and use a CO2 cart to keep your fizz up as needed. Kind of like you would if you were using it for a take-home from a microbrewery, or with soda.
 
So heres a question. So, I just found out about carb tablets... Would it be possible to use campden tabs to kill off all yeast, then add Carb tabs to get desired carbonation? That way you wouldn't have to worry about waiting correct amount of time and pasteurizing the bottles?

Pretty sure carb tablets are nothing more than priming sugar in a hard compressed form. In order for them to work, you will need living yeast.
 
I am getting ready to try this. Thanks for the recipe. I noticed that it is recommended that you test carbonation with a plastic bottle to help prevent glass bottle bombs. I was wwondering what you do with the remaining primed cider while testing with the plastic bottles. Thanks.
 
I am getting ready to try this. Thanks for the recipe. I noticed that it is recommended that you test carbonation with a plastic bottle to help prevent glass bottle bombs. I was wwondering what you do with the remaining primed cider while testing with the plastic bottles. Thanks.

You bottle everything, mostly in glass with 1 or 2 plastic's. When the plastic get rock hard you know it is time to pasteurize the glass.
 
I have made some changes to the recipe. Changes are in RED.

Caramel Apple Hard Cider

Ingredients, Part 1:
7 x 96 ounce bottles (5.25 gallons) Wegmans 100% Apple Juice, pasteurized, only vitamin C added
2 lbs. Dextrose
Nottingham Yeast
6 tsp Yeast Nutrient (or follow the directions on your bottle of yeast nutrient for a 6 gallon batch). This will help eliminate the "Rhino Fart" phase of fermentation.

Ingredients, Part 2
5 campden tablets (Optional, see notes)
3 – 12 oz. cans of Frozen Concentrated Apple Juice, thawed to room temperature (Reduced from 5 cans, this will make it less sweet, and make it not carb up so fast. Feel free to adjust the amount of FCAJ to your taste.)
Caramel Syrup (See recipe below)

Recipe for Caramel Syrup: (Make about 24 hours before bottling)
2 cups of water
2 cups of light brown sugar
2 tsp. ground cinnamon, OR 1/2 tsp liquid cinnamon extract
Combine in a saucepan and bring to a low boil. At boil, reduce heat to Low and simmer for about 5 minutes. (EDIT: Removed "Reduce by half". This may have been making the syrup too thick to properly mix) Let cool & bottle for future use.

Part 1:
Opened 1 bottle of apple juice, got a gravity reading of 1.050. Temp is 64 degrees.

In a 6 gallon carboy, pour in bottles 1 and 2 of apple juice.

Open bottles 3 and 4 of apple juice. Pour half of each bottle into carboy. Add 1 pound dextrose per bottle to the remaining amount of apple juice in bottles 3 and 4. Shake bottles to mix sugar and apple juice. Pour bottles 3 and 4 into carboy.

Pour bottles 5, and 6 of apple juice into carboy. Take another sample for OG, got a reading of 1.064. Open Nottingham yeast, pour into carboy. Agitate carboy to mix in yeast. Pour bottle 7 of apple juice into carboy.


Part 2 (In about 14 days):
Check for target FG of 1.010 to 1.015

Rack cider into another carboy. This is optional, but it may help in clearing.

OPTION: If you want a still cider, add 5 crushed Campden tablets to the cider at this time. If you want a carbonated cider, do not add Campden tablets.

Make the Caramel Syrup and wait 24 hours before proceeding.

After 24 hours, siphon cider into your bottling bucket. Add the Caramel Syrup and the 3 cans of apple juice concentrate while siphoning to aid in mixing. Bottle the cider and enjoy.

If you are carbing in the bottle, be aware that this will carb up fast (4 - 5 days) due to all the sugar. When it is time to bottle the batch, I highly recommend that you fill and cap a plastic pop bottle (NOT a water bottle) first, and use that as a guide to tell you when it will be time to Stovetop Pasteurize the batch.
 
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