May move to Detroit

Without getting into details, I may move to Detroit. I would like to only hear from people who have experience with Detroit, to tell me what it is really like. I already know the statistics for crime, education, poverty, etc. So if someone with experience would like to give me advice to move or not move there, it would be much apppreciated.

You could farm in the city. Would be nice to have a half acre of hops downtown...

Ok, grew up in metro-Detroit (downriver, about 20 or so minutes south of the City), went to Michigan State, then moved back home a few months ago after I graduated. To me, Detroit is like any other city, there are good parts, there are bad parts. I love going downtown for sporting events or to get some good food, but I also know where not to hang out at. Almost everyone you meet/talk to will live outside the actual city and will live in the suburbs.

Basically, I am not exactly sure what you are looking for, I like the city, it's not as bad as everyone makes it out to be. It does have it's problems, but it isn't the worst place ever.

P.s. There are a ton of homebrewers and stores around, so that's a big plus too!!

and DevilsCreek is right, there is a big push for "Urban Farming" going on in the city

I have heard about the urban farming. What a great idea! The one problem I have seen is the high tax rate of 12.3% (2009). Seems awfully high compared to other cities.

Detroit also has the Detroit Lions...

OTOH - they also have the Detroit Red Wings!

I actually live in the south western suburbs and work in Dearborn, enough said there. Whatever you do don't buy a house, rent or lease a house or condo. I'm not from here, been here for 6 years, the suburbs aren't bad, just don't go downtown, waaaay toooo risky. Period. No matter where you end up, get ready for the highest water rates of anywhere you've ever lived. And don't go more than 4.5 miles over the speed limit, the cops give tickets for 5-6 miles over the limit, their union pensions need serious funding....

Are you actually moving to Detroit proper or to the burbs? Big difference.

And downtown Detroit is safe. It's once you get off the beaten path from downtown that there can be problem.

I've lived and worked most of my life in Detroit. Including actually LIVING in the city, not just the suburbs. I've worked in the city most of my professional life, and the majority of my entertainment activites, wheter it be sporting events, or cultural events take place there. Not the Suburbs, IN THE CITY.

I've never had any safety/crime issues in the city, including in some of the worst neighborhoods. In fact I've had the opposite, I've been broken down in bad areas and actually gotten help from folks. I've even been the only caucasion in the room on occasion, and never felt threatened or intimidated. Just the opposite, usually I've been welcomed.

For all it's problems, like anywhere there are a ton of jewells. It's a lot more complex than jokes, stories about crime, and any of it's stereotypes. Some of the kindest most generous people live here. Even ones who may not appear to be.

You just gotta know your way around. I don't specifically know what you are looking for but if you have specific questions I'll be glad to answer them as best I can. Feel free to PM me.

I've lived in three states in my live, Missouri, Florida and here. And I can tell you I had a worse time living in West Palm Beach Florida than in Detroit. People are nicer in Detroit.

I am not sure exactly, just depends what there is to offer. I am more into living in an urban environment than a suburb. I have been looking at the different districts. How is the Eastern Market District? Also, most importantly, how is the beer scene in Detroit?

Julohan said:

I am not sure exactly, just depends what there is to offer. I am more into living in an urban environment than a suburb. I have been looking at the different districts. How is the Eastern Market District? Also, most importantly, how is the beer scene in Detroit?

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The best best for "urban living" if you want to live in the city of Detroit is really the university/cultural/medical center where I work. That's where all the new lofts are, as well as close to comerica park and ford field (Home of the lions and tigers) and the theater district, and not too far from Greektown, and the riverfront. There's other places as well. It's also where starbucks and stuff like that can be found, since it's the unitversity and home of the largest single campus medical school in the country, and the huge detroit medical center.

Eastern Market loft living is really rustic...it's not that set up.

The other option for that kinda of living is Royal Oak, which is about 10 miles up Woodward ave, but is hugely more expensive to live in.

As to the beer scene, it's not surprising that the Michigan Masher's are the largest club on here. Not to mentiont that there are more concentrated homebrew shops in the metro detroit area. We have a large beer scene. Lots of micros and a ton of beer festivals (including one in Eastern Market)

As you can see the state is hugely represented, and for Brewpub/micros, between the city and the immediate suburbs there are this many places to go. (Clumped on the lower right side)

The one's in bold are in the Detroit Metropolitan Area.


Arbor Brewing Company Pub & Eatery
Arbor Brewing Company-Corner Brewery
Arcadia Brewing Company
Atwater Block BreweryB.O.B's Brewery
BastoneBells Brewery, Inc.
Big Buck Brewery & Steakhouse
Big Rock Chop and Brewhouse
Black Lotus Brewing Company
CJ's Brewing Company
Copper Canyon Brewery
Dark Horse Brewing Co.
Detroit Beer Company
Dragonmead Microbrewery
Fletcher Street Brewing Company
Fort Street Brewery
Founders Brewing Company
Frankenmuth Brewery LLC
Grand Rapids Brewing Co.
Great Baraboo Brewing Co.
Grizzly Peak Brewing Co.
Harper's Restaurant and Brewpub
Hereford & Hops Rest. & Brewpub
Jamesport Brewing Co.
Jasper Ridge Brewery
Jolly Pumpkin Artisan Ales
Keweenaw Brewing Company
Kuhnhenn Brewing Co.
Lake Superior Brewing Co.
Library Bar & Restaurant
Lily's Seafood and Brewery
Michigan Brewing Co.
Motor City Brewing Works
Mountain Town Station
New Holland Brew Co - Production
New Holland Brewing Company Pub
North Peak Brewing Co.
Old Hat Brewery & Grill
Quay Street Brewing Co.
Red Jacket Brewing Company
Right Brain Brewery
Rochester Mills Beer Co.
Royal Oak Brewery
Saugatuck Brewing Company, Inc.
Schmohz Brewing Company
Sherwood Brewing Company
Short's Brewing Company
Tahquamenon Falls Brewery & Pub
The Hideout Brewing Company
The Livery
The Vierling Restaurant & Marquette Harbor Brewery
Traffic Jam and Snug
Tri-City Brewing Company
Walldorff Brewpub & Bistro
Wiltse's Brew Pub
Woodward Avenue Brewers

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And a lot of us get together pretty regularly. We brew together or hit the brewpubs quite a lot. There a half dozen active hombrew clubs (or more) in the metro detroit area. I think there are 8-10 fairly large BJCP contests a year. Plus we're pretty active for both the AHC big brew days with several places hosting event with a ton of folks.

This should give you an idea it's from the one we had in May. It is only 1 of 6 events I knew of that day happening within a 20 minute drive of each other. This one is at cap n cork in macomb, which is about a 30 minute drive from downtown detroit.







Note our HBT logo on the tent



This should give you an idea of the scene, http://www.michiganbrewersguild.org/mag/index.html

And the homebrew shops.

Michigan Home Brewing Stores & Suppliers
(Alphabetically by City)

Clearview Draft Services
534 Robbin Avenue
Alpena, MI 49707 Map/Directions
Phone: (989) 354-5111

Leopold Brothers of Ann Arbor
529 South Main Street
Ann Arbor, MI 48104 Map/Directions
Phone: (734) 747-9806

Begick Nursery & Garden Center
5993 Westside Saginaw Road
Bay City, MI 48706 Map/Directions
Phone: (866) 323-4425

Home Winery and Supply Company
208 Main Street
Dundee, MI 48131 Map/Directions
Phone: (734) 529-3296

The Red Salamander
205 North Bridge Road
Grand Ledge, MI 48837 Map/Directions
Phone: (517) 627-2012

Siciliano's Market
2840 Lake Michigan Drive Northwest
Grand Rapids, MI 49504 Map/Directions
Phone: (616) 453-9674

Park Winery
15230 Charevoix Street
Grosse Pointe, MI 48230 Map/Directions
Phone: (313) 821-9463

Keweenaw Brewing Company
408 Sheldon Avenue
Houghton, MI 49931 Map/Directions
Phone: (906) 482-5596

Things Brewed
1062 Boardman Road
Jackson, MI 49202 Map/Directions
Phone: (517) 768-2739

Cork N Cap
904 Lansing Ave.
Jackson, MI 49202 Map/Directions
Phone: 517-784-0687
http://www.corkncap.com

Bell's General Store
355 East Kalamazoo Avenue
Kalamazoo, MI 49007 Map/Directions
Phone: (269) 382-5712

BrewGadgets
322 S. Lincoln Ave
Lakeview, MI 48850 Map/Directions
Phone: 866-591-8247
http://www.BrewGadgets.com

Materagaia Organic Brewing Supplies
333 N Cedar St
Lansing, MI 48912 Map/Directions
Phone: 517-242-2880
http://www.materagaia.com

Brew & Grow
32610 7 Mile Road
Livonia, MI 48152 Map/Directions
Phone: (248) 442-7939

Wine Barrel Plus
30303 Plymouth Rd.
Livonia, MI 48150 Map/Directions
Phone: (734) 522-WINE (9463)
http://www.winebarrel.com/

Pauly's Wine, Beer and Spirits Shop
11250 Fulton East
Lowell, MI 49331 Map/Directions
Phone: (616) 897-2669

Cap-N-Cork Home Brewing Supplies
16812 21 Mile Road
Macomb, MI 48044 Map/Directions
Phone: (586) 286-5202

White's Party Store
1001 North 3rd Street
Marquette, MI 49855 Map/Directions
Phone: (906) 226-6781

Dusty's Cellar
1839 West Grand River Avenue
Okemos, MI 48864 Map/Directions
Phone: (517) 349-5150

Eastern Shores Brewing Supplies
510 Pine Street
Port Huron, MI 48060 Map/Directions
Phone: (810) 985-3757

The Spirit Shoppe
3550 Gratiot Avenue
Port Huron, MI 48060 Map/Directions
Phone: (810) 985-8261

Daane's Wine & Liquor
8901 Portage Road
Portage, MI 49002 Map/Directions
Phone: (269) 327-5500

Fieldstone Winery
223 South Main Street
Rochester, MI 48307 Map/Directions
Phone: (248) 656-0618

Cork'n'ale-Oppermann's
2940 Midland Road
Saginaw, MI 48603 Map/Directions
Phone: (989) 797-8466

Keueenaw Brewing Company
10 Fourth
South Range, MI 49963 Map/Directions
Phone: (906) 482-1271

Adventures in Home Brewing
23869 Van Born Road
Taylor, MI 48180 Map/Directions
Phone: (313) 277-2739

Wholesaledraft.com

Utica, MI 48317 Map/Directions
Phone: 1-888-393-2203
http://wholesaledraft.com

Kuhnhenn Brewing
5919 Chicage Road
Warren, MI 48092 Map/Directions
Phone: (586) 979-8361

Hopman's Beer & Wine Making Supplies
4636 West Walton Blvd.
Waterford, MI 48329 Map/Directions
Phone: (248) 674-4677

Michigan Brewing Company
2582 North M-52
Webberville, MI 48892 Map/Directions
Phone: (517) 521-2337

Things Beer
2582 North M-52
Webberville, MI 48892 Map/Directions
Phone: (517) 521-2337

U-Brew Homebrew & Winemaking Supplies
1486 Washtenaw Ave
Ypsilanti, MI 48197 Map/Directions
Phone: (734) 337-2015
http://ubrewmichigan.com

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Yeah, there's not much of a scene here.

Thanks for the input, I figured if I do move I better make sure the place has a decent beer scene, which obviously Detroit does.

We got that beer thing covered....

We often get together when an hbt-er comes into town, a few of us will meet up at Dragonmead or Kuhnens.

You should also look at our threads in the Michigan masher's section, we also have a bulk grain buy every 6 months. https://www.homebrewtalk.com/groups/michigan-mashers/

This is our Cultural weekly magazine. It will show what's going on, also the ads list lofts and areas to live in. It's usually my weekly entertainment guide to plan stuff.

http://www.metrotimes.com/

Resurrecting this old topic:

My girlfriend and I are currently considering moving out of the expensive area we're in now, and looking at all the inexpensive real estate in the midwest has us drooling!

We've been looking a lot at Detroit, and researching the crime rates/neighborhoods. I'm wondering which neighborhoods you would consider to be some of the worst. The areas we're considering are the Woodbridge historical district, and the area around Glendale park.

We've been waffling back and forth based on some of the things we've heard about how terrible it is to live in Detroit, how dirty and unsafe, but then when we look at information about specific neighborhoods, it really doesn't look much different than where we're living now.

So, any recommendations on places to look? We'd definitely be interested in buying rather than renting.

indigo said:

We've been waffling back and forth based on some of the things we've heard about how terrible it is to live in Detroit, how dirty and unsafe, but then when we look at information about specific neighborhoods, it really doesn't look much different than where we're living now.

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Where are you living now?
That might give us a point of reference.

Ha, I'm living in Portland, Oregon. The housing market here is just ridiculously inflated considering how lousy the job market is out here.

I work with a guy that lived in Detroit and he moved to Green Bay, WI because Detroit is the armpit of the Midwest.

indigo said:

Ha, I'm living in Portland, Oregon. The housing market here is just ridiculously inflated considering how lousy the job market is out here.

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yeah.
I grew up there and looked into moving home a couple of years back. But housing is nuts. There are many cool and fun things to do there, but if one cannot afford it -- the place is a tomb.

Like you, I'm looking at the Midwest. I have relatives in Minnesota, so that is an option.

Julohan said:

Without getting into details, I may move to Detroit. I would like to only hear from people who have experience with Detroit, to tell me what it is really like. I already know the statistics for crime, education, poverty, etc. So if someone with experience would like to give me advice to move or not move there, it would be much apppreciated.

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It smells really bad.

{Once again ignoring the trolls who don't know jack **** about Detroit and need to stfu )

Woodbridge historical is one of the gems of the area, as is Boston Edison, The midtown/newcenter/wayne state university cultural center/medical has a lot going for it, there been a huge amount of growth in that area, Starbucks has even moved in which is a sign, whether you like them or not, of the area's slow revitilization- in that area you have a lot of buildings that are becoming lofts. There's some gorgeous town houses- old and new, in there, and it's kinda capped off on Woodward avenue with Comerica park and Ford field (Det. Tiger's and Lions) with the usual accompanying bars and theaters. There's Palmer Park and Palmer Woods as well.

And it's not just the city of Detroit proper that's included in "metro detroit" there's lots of cities/suburbs- 10-30 minutes away from downtown Detroit. And they've all been affected by the economic downturn, so there's housing all over the place. There's semi affluent/affluent areas like the Grosse Pointes (including the somewhat more funky border area-Grosse Pointe Park, home of Ye olde tap room which has 400-800 beers available.) and Birmingham. To funkier cities like Royal Oak and Ferndale (which has really become a hub for artists and musicians) to normal working class Bedroom Communities like Hazel Park, Warren, Sterling Heights, St. Clair Shores.

Revvy said:

And the homebrew shops.

Yeah, there's not much of a scene here.

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Holy homebrew, Batman! Detroit = my new beer Mecca

lastsecondapex said:

Holy homebrew, Batman! Detroit = my new beer Mecca

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Yeah, and thats just the tip of the iceburgh, it increases every couple months. There's at least one new homebrew shop not on that list, and maybe 3 new brewpubs not mentioned on there.....

Yeah, kinda shows that maybe the asshats who like to make armpit jokes don't know **** about what we have going on here and should just go **** themselves....

I am originally from FL, used to spend six months a year traveling on business and several years of that was in MI. I now have changed careers and live in MN. I can tell you I really enjoyed MI. Detroit has its problem areas like any large city. Hell when I lived in Tampa they was places I would not go. The only real issue I had was in Warren and Sterling Heights and it was just kids stealing from vehicles, show me a place where that doesnt happen though. The other thing that people havent mentioned is the beauty of the state as a whole. When you vacation in MI, there are so many incredible places to go. Take a trip up north to Charlevoix, Petosky, Holland. There are so many great places up there. In all the places I have ever been, my favorite town anywhere, hands down, is Traverse City. You have casinos if that is your thing, and if you have kids, the education system is excellent. Oh and the biggest thing I miss is Meijers, why more places dont have 24 hour stores on the level of a Meijers is beyond me.

Thanks for the great info, revvy! Yeah, a lot of the opinions we've heard have been coming from people who either haven't lived in the area, or who haven't lived there recently.

I should say, I do have some experience in MI, my ex-wife's family lives there and we used to visit every year. One thing MI has over western Oregon is that you all actually get snow in the winter (I miss that more than I can say!). I've been to Grand Haven and Holland, had a couple visits to Kalamazoo, and did visit Novi/Detroit once in the mid-nineties for a comics convention, but didn't get much of a sense of the city.

It's starting to look like we might not be moving any time soon after all, but still, this info will come in handy when we are ready to do this! We're still thinking of heading out there for a 'research vacation' later this summer. Are there any homebrew calendars with meetup info for the summer online?

Thanks for the info Revvy.
I've added Detroit and the surrounding area to my options.

For kicks and grins, what is the Radio and TV market like there?
that is probably where I would try to get work.

Detroit's always been a large Radio/Tv/Industrial Film/video production market (because of the auto industry and having all the pro-sports teams), and the last couple years with the film tax incentive there's been a huge amount of film work, production and all the ancillary businesses like catering and carpentry firms. Unfortunately the asshat new governor hates the idea of the "Liberal Hollywood Elite" being in Michigan so shat on the incentive just when a bunch of new studios got built and a ton of films and tv shows (including Detroit 987) bailed. There's still productions going on, and the production community is fighting the governor plans to kill the incentive. But the Detroit area's always been a media hub.

Well I can speak to those from the west coast considering Detroit.
We just moved from San Francisco to Detroit, Indian Village specifically.
Detroit if anything is less scary than most large cities, IF you are used to large cities. I think the huge number of abandoned buildings that make parts of Detroit look a little like Berlin after WWII scare people. But those are just abandoned buildings. I have had my "danger radar" go off much less than places I have been in the Bay Area. I grew up in Oakland so I have pretty good urban radar.

Housing varies a lot. Boston Edison fell hard and is very actively being rebuilt so it's a bit challenging right now as in there aren't places you can walk to to shop easily. And there are a lot of houses that need a lot of work. But you can buy a good house (that you will have to do work on) for $50,000 or so. Compared to the Bay Area that is insane. Indian Village was a high snot neighbor hood once (for the Bay Area folks think Piedmont or Nob Hill). Hit some hardish times like the rest of the city but never had the level of vacancy as some other parts. Also there are a lot of long time residents (as in 30+ years) so it has stayed stabler. But you can get a house in the 3,600 sq ft range on a 1/3 acre lot for ~$100,000 that needs no work or some others in the same size range that need work as low as $30,000 (last I looked). If you want to splurge there is a house a couple of blocks away that is on the market for $450,000 that is 11,000 sqft on a 1.2 acre lot. THere is a store that is walkable and your about 5 min. from the Eastern Market. The Eastern Market has the biggest farmers market you have ever seen every Sat.

Two blogs you might be interested in are.
Sweet Juniper
and
Bug'n out of Babylon

Both are on Detroit and moving there from the Bay Area.

As to media work...

I do post sound and well there really isn't much here.

There was a lot of advertising but most of that went away with the decline of the big three. There was a bunch of film production work but very little if any of the post happened here. With the incentives gutted most of the productions have gone elsewhere.
On the up side Goodby just opened offices here and there was a large studio built while the incentives were still in effect. And Michigan got a taste of the film biz and most of them liked it. So there is a recall effort on the Governor and I think the momentum is for things to improve. There is no reason why Detroit could not become a media mecca again.

But I would recommend taking a "vacation" here. Spend a few days and get a feel for the city. Neither of us had ever been close to Detroit and coming out of the Bay Area my bias was not at all positive. WE came for the labor day weekend because we could get some cheap tickets then and came away feeling we could live here.

Second I would work with a local real-estate person and if you want a name I can point you to one who is willing to show you what ever your looking for. We were looking for someplace we could get that needed some work because we an do a lot of it and it would be more cost effective.

You can probably find better prices in fall and winter, but you want to make sure things like hear and water are working if you plan to move then. If your buying a "challenged" house odds are that one or the other has problems. With out heat you can't turn on the water because unlike the Bay Area pipes freeze here and when they do the pipes burst if they have water in them. Spring is a good time to move because you will have time to fix things before winter.

If you plan to visit drop me a line. WE may even have a room you can crash in. Right now there is still a lot of construction going on but soon...

RE: Detroit HB clubs.

Revvy, are there any you know of IN Detroit? There are a bunch around Detroit but I haven't found any IN Detroit.

Same with Homebrew Shops. There is one that is winemaking but may also have homebrew supplies that is in town but all the ones I have found so far are in the burbs.

Good shops but 1/2 hour + away.

If not maybe it's time to start one!

I don't know of any specifically within the city limits. Like I think I mentioned before when you asked (did you forget your old account password? Weren't you just Noiz then?) There's quite a lot of us just 2 miles north of 8 mile on the East side (Eastpointe, St Clair Shores) Who get together quite regularly. We all tend to shop for most of our stuff at Cap N Corks. It's well worth the trip. I mean even when I lived in Port Huron I drove 45 minutes down to that store, since the lhbs my buddy owned in town had a limited inventory. I still would make the trip for a lot of stuff. Even though Kuhnen's brewshop is closer it's not one of my favorites, nor is Adventure's in Homebrewing....I went there last weekend when C&C's was closed. It seemed somewhat grungy to me. I like C&C's because besides the HUUUUUUUGE selection, and decent prices, it's really clean and well lit. You could bring your mom in there and she'd be comfortable....

Revvy said:

(did you forget your old account password? Weren't you just Noiz then?)

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No I just forgot I had asked the question ...;~)

It has been pretty chaotic since moving into my construction site so forgive me.

I've been to AiHB but not Cap'N Cork. I'll put that on my list. I was a bit spoiled in SF, I had two decent LHBS with in 10-15 min and MoreBeer was about 1/2 hour to 45 min or so.

My wife's family lives in a very bad section of Detroit. It is in the city limits, but a long way out from the city center or any of the more developed nice areas. It is somewhat stereotypical Detroit. The thickest bulletproof glass I have ever seen in my life is at the liquor store two blocks down, and there had been a methadone clinic on the corner. My wife is the only one of her 5 member family that hasn't been mugged, carjacked, or robbed. Her mom's van has been stolen so many times that they stopped repairing the ignition and now start it with a piece of pipe.

ALL that said, they live on a sweet little street with a lot of old time detroit folks, they have a great little house and yard (like many that you could buy for a song), and the people are REALLY friendly. Families and friends get together several nights a week, people stop and help you if you break down or if they see you loading or unloading something heavy, and many of my wife's live in nice little affordable and friendly suburbs with great houses. The city is very spread out and often you will have a drive to get anywhere, but the roads are absolutely expansive. There are lots of little great gems of places and events that you can find with a bit of work. We are thinking of moving back near our families again, and Michigan is high on the list for us, possibly even Detroit.

Looking at Cap 'N Corks web site... That is probably why they fell off my radar. It's really hard to tell IF they have anything and there is no indication of price at all. So a trip to find out if they even cary much probably just aced them out. A recommendation make it worth the trip but they could help them selves out a lot with a better website, on line store or at least price list and what is in stock.

Maybe it's a Bay Area thing but places that have wanky sites usually are not worth visiting.

Plus, we got the Lions!

noiz2 said:

Looking at Cap 'N Corks web site... That is probably why they fell off my radar. It's really hard to tell IF they have anything and there is no indication of price at all. So a trip to find out if they even cary much probably just aced them out. A recommendation make it worth the trip but they could help them selves out a lot with a better website, on line store or at least price list and what is in stock.

Maybe it's a Bay Area thing but places that have wanky sites usually are not worth visiting.

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They really don't even need a website....They don't do mail order.

They were the first and only homebrewshop in the Metro Detroit for years. They're an institution. They carry pretty much everything...I mean it, in terms of bulk grain, hops, yeast- I've never had to do a substitution with them.



Just PART of their grain and extract area. The bins keep going to the right, then the fridges for hops and yeast. What you can't see is opposite this part is a wall of nothing by canned extracts of all brands and boxed kits....






Homebrew Day in the back






Our HBT tent

Now I feel silly. There is another Can N Cork in WI and that is the site I was looking at! Senility comes early in my family I guess.

The site does give inventory on hops, nothing on grain or equipment or prices but it isn't as wanky as the one I was looking at.
I have to be up that way for a meeting tomorrow so I've stuck it on my itinerary.

I was born and raised in Ypsilanti (West, outside city limits) until I was 12. Been in Georgia ever since.

Schools were rough (Willow Run school district), but I'm proud of what it made me into. Watching the movie "Four Brothers" really took me back - everyone drives an American car, slush and sleet all over, MoTown music playing the background, etc.

Had some fond memories of down town Ann Arbor and a few Michigan football games. That stadium is huge, especially when you're 10 years old. I remember when the Pistons were NBA champs (3 years in a row?). OK, enough reminiscing.....

I remember my first time in The Big House (cause it was last year). The outside cannot prepare you for the awesomeness. Stepping through the tunnel and seeing the vast expanse was an unforgettable experience.

Oh, and Vernors.

noiz2 said:

Two blogs you might be interested in are.
Sweet Juniper
and
Bug'n out of Babylon

Both are on Detroit and moving there from the Bay Area.

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Are you sweet Juniper???? I've read that blog before. Small world.

Revvy said:

Are you sweet Juniper???? I've read that blog before. Small world.

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No I'm bug 'n out

I found Sweet Juniper just before I headed out.

Cheers
SK

noiz2 said:

Now I feel silly. There is another Can N Cork in WI and that is the site I was looking at! Senility comes early in my family I guess.

The site does give inventory on hops, nothing on grain or equipment or prices but it isn't as wanky as the one I was looking at.
I have to be up that way for a meeting tomorrow so I've stuck it on my itinerary.

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DId you ever make it up there? I heading up today. Thinking about brewing tomorrow.