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I think we can put this to rest now. We have a theoretical explanation, anecdotes, and empirical data, all painting a pretty clear picture that it is not a good idea to carbonate beer in a growler.

Cheers guys,
TB
 
This pretty much sums it up.....

it is not a good idea to carbonate beer in a growler[/b].

And yet people are still going to try it, and still going to post that it worked for them, and others are going to report explosions.

I think it goes down to this.....is it worth playing Russian Roulette with your money and the time you spent bringing your brew along from grain to bottling day???

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The gauge bottle has a nice side effect, it tells you when your bottles are conditioned as the pressure rise stops. I then throw them in the Fridge to cold condition for several days before I open. The gauge also tells you when they are carbed as the pressure drop stops.

That's very interesting. So what would I see if I just bottled a beer and left it at room temp? Would I see pressure peak and then slowly fall off as the C02 goes into solution? When pressure stabilized, I'd know I was fully carbed?
 
That's very interesting. So what would I see if I just bottled a beer and left it at room temp? Would I see pressure peak and then slowly fall off as the C02 goes into solution? When pressure stabilized, I'd know I was fully carbed?

No, when you bottle condition, the slight fermentation we cause by adding priming sugar just builds pressure up in the bottle. The pressures seem to go up into the 30's and 40's PSI from what I've seen.

The CO2 doesn't really move into the liquid until the temperature drops. Some CO2 may, but not the majority of it. CO2 doesn't dissolve into solution until a lower temperature.

This is really what we do when we force carb in a keg. We raise the pressure up when the beer is cold. The CO2 moves into the solution. The tap pressure is lowered for proper delivery and the beer either sets for cold aging, or it is consumed at that time.

What you would see with the pressure gauge (if you use one bigger than my first bottle had. Should use a 100 PSI Gauge) is that the pressure climbs over time and will level off.

Once the pressure levels off, that means all of the priming sugar has been used up by the yeast. Next, you put them into the fridge. You will see the pressure drop over several days. Eventually, it also will level off. I like to let them sit for a few more days after that, but really if the pressure stops dropping, all of the CO2 that can be dissolved at that temperature has been achieved.

I think at that time, the bottles are carbed and conditioned. However, the beer will be much better tasting if left at room temperature longer. It gives the beer time to age and the pallet blends.

It certainly would be drinkable and carbed at the time the pressure stops dropping in the fridge though.
 
I forgot to mention that there will be some level of CO2 while bottle conditioning at room temperature as you have caused a mild ferment with the priming sugar.

Most of the CO2 generated in the solution by ferment comes out of the solution to fill the head space and to build pressure. It will stop moving from the liquid and into the head space once the pressure and the saturation level for that temperature balance.
 
A additional note that I forgot to mention is that leaving the bottles in the fridge for a few days longer after the pressure drops may make the beer more evenly carbonated.

I don't have any empirical data that supports this yet, but my guess is that the carbonation is likely to be heavier near the top of the solution, and may take a few days to evenly distribute itself. I'm not sure how to solidify this guess.

I can only theorize as sometimes when you bottle condition and put in the fridge, you get gushers if you don't wait long enough. To me, this means that the gas hasn't balanced itself evenly yet. The beer is at perhaps 1 atmosphere above ambient and we pop the cap. The gas moves toward the low pressure and the bubble grow rapidly near the top of the bottle.

As I said, this is a theory and not yet supported by empirical data.
 
Revvy, I'm not saying it is 100% safe to carbonate in a growler. I was PMing with Rukus about his data before he came over. So this is what we know: PSI inside the bottle went above 35 PSI for his lager. How far above we don't know. The missing element now is at what PSI a growler designed to hold carbonated beverages will fail. I have conditioned three beers in my growler now at various co2 volumes without failure. Would I condition a 3 volume Saison in the growler? Nope. However, I still have no problem carbing a 2.2 volume or lower brew in there.
 
Revvy, I'm not saying it is 100% safe to carbonate in a growler. I was PMing with Rukus about his data before he came over. So this is what we know: PSI inside the bottle went above 35 PSI for his lager. How far above we don't know. The missing element now is at what PSI a growler designed to hold carbonated beverages will fail. I have conditioned three beers in my growler now at various co2 volumes without failure. Would I condition a 3 volume Saison in the growler? Nope. However, I still have no problem carbing a 2.2 volume or lower brew in there.

Which is fine, we won't tell you what to do, but you not having a problem with it doesn't mean it's safe.

So, let's put this to rest, shall we? We don't recommend it, but you've had success with it. If you want to keep the gamble going, go ahead. I've learned from experience that growlers will and do fail when carbonating beer in them. I, personally, will stick to vessels meant for higher pressure. You can stick to what you want. We'll be happy, drink our respective beers, and enjoy this wonderful hobby.

Here here! :mug:

TB
 
Revvy, I'm not saying it is 100% safe to carbonate in a growler. I was PMing with Rukus about his data before he came over. So this is what we know: PSI inside the bottle went above 35 PSI for his lager. How far above we don't know. The missing element now is at what PSI a growler designed to hold carbonated beverages will fail. I have conditioned three beers in my growler now at various co2 volumes without failure. Would I condition a 3 volume Saison in the growler? Nope. However, I still have no problem carbing a 2.2 volume or lower brew in there.

Well A bottle IS nearly 100% safe to BOTLLE CARB IN...We know that, and that explosions in bottles are the excetions to the rules.....Not the other way around.

I'm sticking with what I posted initially, and have repeated at least twice.

Some folks will say they have no problem, but others will say differently. To me, I sure as heck wouldn't want to play Russian Roulette with my beer.

Do you really want to risk it?

I don't.....

Like Tiber said it's your beer. But when a noob starts the next thread like this, probably next week, we're going to give the same answers...

*shrug*
 
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