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Hello, everyone! I've been lurking for a while, quietly following recipes and experimenting with honeys, yeasts, and simple traditional meads for the most part. One of my recent batches is one of my first experiments in trying to create my own flavor profile, and it's... uh. It seems to have gone a little awry.

What I set to ferment was WPL720, 3 lbs wildflower honey, three quarts of water, and a quart of tart cherry juice. I had a thought that I'd build something like a cherry pie flavor, and when I stumbled across the cherry juice, I thought it was perfect; didn't catch until I was halfway through pouring it out that it said tart on the bottle. But I figured that was no problem - I've made cherry pies before, and you start with tart cherries and then add a ton of sugar. Honey is sugar. Should be fine.

At this point, it's finished fermentation and has been racked over to secondary. And it's... uh. Tart. Somewhere between off-brand, sugar-free cherry cough medicine and "if you keep making that face, you'll get stuck like that" tart. (It's also got a rocket fuel burn right now, which I expected because it's pretty young still, and it's kind of the color you'd get if you poured a cup of red food dye into river mud, which I'm not too worried about when it's still ridiculously murky.)

I've already done some backsweetening, because it also came out of primary too dry for us, and will likely do more (household preferences run to sweet/dessert meads, this thing came out very dry). Going back to my original thought of "cherry pie," I'm thinking I might add some vanilla into secondary, but I'm not sure where else to go from here to tone down the tartness. Even more honey? Sweet cherries to counteract the pucker factor? Opinions more than welcome...
 
Backsweetening is really all you can do at this point.
Otherwise age it and gift to someone who likes sour. There are many of us!
You could also use it for blending.

I personally don't like tart and vanilla together. I don't know if that's just me.

Struggling with fusel alcohol?
Work on temperature control,
Follow a good SNA regimen :)

DRY yeast:
TOSNA works very well. You can ferment mead without off-flavors!
  1. Clean and sanitize all equipment
  2. Rehydrate yeast at 104F (more info here)
  3. Dilute honey into 2-3 gallons of water
  4. Fill to 5-gallon volume
  5. Gradually temper yeast with must until within 10F of must
  6. Pitch yeast and ferment in low 60F range (60F-62F best)
  7. Follow TOSNA nutrient addition schedule (more info here)
  8. Degas one or twice a day until 1/3 sugar break to release CO2
  9. Once fermentation has ceased, rack to secondary vessel
  10. Age until clear or add clarifying agent
Nutrient calculator:
http://www.meadmakr.com/tosna-2-0/
Helpful sites:
http://www.meadmaderight.com
http://www.meadmakr.com/meadmakr-guide/part-iii-the-basic-recipe/

LIQUID yeast:
Bray has a schedule for making drinkable mead in one month (BOMM - Bray's One-Month Mead)
https://denardbrewing.com/blog/category/mead/
Thread:
https://www.homebrewtalk.com/forum/threads/brays-one-month-mead.429241/
Liquid yeast SNA:
https://denardbrewing.com/blog/post/Liquid-yeast-SNA/

Cheers
 
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Hello, everyone! I've been lurking for a while, quietly following recipes and experimenting with honeys, yeasts, and simple traditional meads for the most part. One of my recent batches is one of my first experiments in trying to create my own flavor profile, and it's... uh. It seems to have gone a little awry.

What I set to ferment was WPL720, 3 lbs wildflower honey, three quarts of water, and a quart of tart cherry juice. I had a thought that I'd build something like a cherry pie flavor, and when I stumbled across the cherry juice, I thought it was perfect; didn't catch until I was halfway through pouring it out that it said tart on the bottle. But I figured that was no problem - I've made cherry pies before, and you start with tart cherries and then add a ton of sugar. Honey is sugar. Should be fine.

At this point, it's finished fermentation and has been racked over to secondary. And it's... uh. Tart. Somewhere between off-brand, sugar-free cherry cough medicine and "if you keep making that face, you'll get stuck like that" tart. (It's also got a rocket fuel burn right now, which I expected because it's pretty young still, and it's kind of the color you'd get if you poured a cup of red food dye into river mud, which I'm not too worried about when it's still ridiculously murky.)

I've already done some backsweetening, because it also came out of primary too dry for us, and will likely do more (household preferences run to sweet/dessert meads, this thing came out very dry). Going back to my original thought of "cherry pie," I'm thinking I might add some vanilla into secondary, but I'm not sure where else to go from here to tone down the tartness. Even more honey? Sweet cherries to counteract the pucker factor? Opinions more than welcome...
I added 3/4 gallons of cherry juice to my 5 gallon cider, because all the supermarkets I have ever seen carry cherry juice! Only ever have tart! I got a sweet cherry extract on is way. I'm going to add some of the extract to give a hint of cherry. The only other thing I can think of is get some sweet cherry juice off of Amazon to back sweeten. The extract was the cheaper choice for me. I just don't want to mess up the cider! Its for a wedding! Extract won't add much fluid and and a blip won't mess anything up or I just might save the extract for a l8r date. Good luck!
 

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